Many are saying how wrong it is for Israel to attack Gaza

[ripcord]

So what is the solution for the destruction of Hamas because after the multi day terrorist attacks Israel has the duty to protect their people against the barbaric actions Hamas has committed on Israeli civilians in this attack and any they may commit in the future.

[Marius25]

1. Israel has a moral duty to eradicate Hamas from Gaza and the world.

Unfortunately, war always results in casualties.

Rep. Dan Goldman was on Rachel Maddow tonight saying Israel is at least sending out roof knocks, and Arabic evacuation warnings telling people where in Gaza they can find shelter that won't be near any attacks.

That's something Hamas didn't do for all the civilians they murdered and took hostage.

[Magoo48]

14. So, one slaughter deserves another. Right?

[Cha]

42. Thre's NO GD "Stlaughter like the Fucking HAMAS

"Slaughter".

[Magoo48]

63. So, now there are levels of slaughter, say one to ten, if the response slaughter is lower on the

scale than the initial slaughter, then it’s ok?

Would you personally participate in the response slaughter if you could?

If not, then, you support killing you’re not willing to participate in?

[Cha]

78. Never mind.. I can see you're not serius.

This is too importantly vital to be playing games.

[AntivaxHunters]

67. I can't believe I'm reading this here

I just can't.....are we now justifying mass genocide?

[Bettie]

69. Apparently, yes some are

They want every man, woman, and child in Gaza dead, it seems.

[AntivaxHunters]

70. It's unbelievable

I need to gather my thoughts because I need to write something long.

[Bettie]

71. Good Luck

I keep writing and then deleting.

[AntivaxHunters]

72. Ya I get that

[redqueen]

75. Same nt

[AntivaxHunters]

68. Are you advocating mass genocide?

[ZonkerHarris]

74. thats what I heard

[Richard D]

2. I have no answer . . .

. . . but it seems clear that Israel attacking Gaza may well be exactly what Hamas wants.

[ripcord]

3. Can we change that a little?

Israel attacking Gaza may well be what Hamas thinks they want.

[madaboutharry]

4. I'm convinced that the world only likes it when Jews are victims.

But when they fight back they are in the wrong.

My thoughts on Saturday is that the good will is going to be short lived. Just watch.

[Fozzledick]

5. Those who support Hamas and their goal of destroying Israel say that all the time.

It's just what they do, especially when Hamas is on the attack.

[angrychair]

6. Half the population in Gaza

Is children under 17 and younger. That's over 1 million children. The last election in Gaza was 17 years ago. Most alive in Gaza today never voted for Hamas.

[ripcord]

7. So what is your solution?

Having Israel ignore this attack and letting Hamas go on their merry way is not an option.

[angrychair]

9. What's your solution?

40% of Gaza's population is 15 or younger. I don't give a shit about what Hamas does at this point. They care less about Palestinians than they do Israelis.
Hamas was elected to power 17 years ago and they haven't allowed an election since. The majority of people alive in Gaza never voted for Hamas.

[ripcord]

11. I honestly wish I had a solution but as I see it

Israel seems to have two choices, retaliate and destroy Hamas along with probably half the population of Gaza or do nothing and wait for the next attack that is certain to come and watch more Israelis be tortured and killed.

[angrychair]

13. So your answer to a couple thousand people

Being killed is to slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocent children that are completely powerless to change anything?

[onenote]

16. So the residents of Gaza should sit by while Hamas slaughters innocent israelis

And Israel should sit by and let it happen?

[angrychair]

22. They are children

1.1 million innocent, powerless children. Who exactly is "sitting by" watching Hamas do anything? Hamas was elected to power 17 years ago and has not held an election since. The majority of Gaza didn't vote for them. They are held in an tightly controlled area, over half the population is out of work. Most are refugees.

If the world is willing to cheer on Israel while they dehydrate, starve and bomb hundreds of thousands of children to death the least we could do is say that quiet part out loud.

[onenote]

23. How many fighters does Hamas have? How many hundreds of thousands of adults are armed

but don't stand up to Hamas?

[angrychair]

28. Only the terrorists have weapons

You get seen with a weapon on the streets of Gaza you become a target for IDF

[onenote]

44. How many fighters does Hamas have?

It seems like there are a large number of folks with weapons. it has been estimated that Hamas has 10,000 fighters, but can mobilize as many as 50,000 when they decide to do so.

And how does the IDF, which has no boots on the ground, target Gazans with weapons?

[angrychair]

48. Gaza is a closed area

Heavily monitored and controlled by Israel. Palestinians literally can't leave even if they could.

[onenote]

53. Does Israel always have boots on the ground in Gaza?

Are Israeli soldiers regularly patrolling inside Gaza?

If they aren't --- and I think you know that is the answer -- how would the IDF know and target anyone with a weapon? How could they not know about, and stop, the rockets regularly launched from within Gaza?

Frankly, it appears that the occupying force in Gaza isn't Israel, its Hamas, which essentially is holding the population hostage and allowing them to take the brunt of Israeli's predictable retaliation for Hamas's atrocities.

[Cha]

43. HAMAS Slaughtered Children.

Hopefully Israel and allies will find a way to spare them UNLIKE GD HAMAS.

[angrychair]

52. Nothing I'm saying

Is about Hamas. Fuck Hamas. That doesn't mean we just condemn hundreds of thousands of children to death either.

If we kill hundreds of thousands, likely mostly children, to just kill 7 to10,000 people, even if they are terrorists, who becomes the monster then?

Israel has a right to defend itself. It doesn't have a right to murder hundreds of thousands of more innocent people to do it. That's my opinion.

[North Shore Chicago]

65. +1

[Zeitghost]

73. More dead Jews

Is not the unfortunate byproduct, it is the goal, as it has been for centuries.

[ripcord]

19. This conflict will continue as long as Hamas exists

With the brutality of these multi day terror attacks Hamas has stepped over a very large line, that will not be ignored. Why is it that the only Jewish nation is the only one expected to ignore a multi day terror attack of this magnitude?

[angrychair]

31. Didn't say ignore

My only point is that hundreds of thousands of innocent children should not have to die in the process.
What do you think public opinion will be after that?

[ripcord]

32. But you have no idea what they should do

So we default to Israel doing nothing and waiting for the next terror attack and more Jews become victims of anti semitic terrorists.

[angrychair]

35. That's a false dichotomy

Just because I am advocating for a way that doesn't involve the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of children doesn't mean I think Israel should do nothing.

I'm not the leader of Israel. I'm not a general. I'm simply advocating for a way that doesn't kill innocent children.

[ripcord]

39. And when we find there is no way that won't harm innocents Palestinians?

Because if there was one it would have been used by now, this isn't a new conflict.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

40. Here's my partial solution,

each and every one of these fucking Hamas leaders and any Palestinians who participated in this slaughter should be hunted down by the Israeli security forces and terminated with extreme prejudice, much like the Palestinians who murdered the Israeli athletes at Munich.

If I were in a leadership role in Hamas, I would find a deep dark hole and crawl in it hoping that I'm never found.

[ripcord]

45. How about a $10,000 reward for anyone who identifies a member of Hamas?

Whenever there are Israeli troops in the Gaza there is always violence and Hamas terrorists using civilians as human shields.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

46. That's a very good suggestion,

I like how you think.

[ripcord]

50. The problem is that these things take time

But Israel is done and this terrorist attack has pushed them over the edge. There is going to be a sickening atrocity, the only thing left is for history to decide if it was needed or not. Hamas is fully embedded with the population and there is no way to separate them so Hamas will make sure an attack on them is an attack on everyone, some of the population will be willing participants and some won't.

[petronius]

76. Would probably need to include a U.S. or European visa with that... (nt)

[ripcord]

77. I honestly don't think they would be safe in Europe

[womanofthehills]

62. Israel's defence minister just said he's going to starve them to death - no food, electricity, fuel

Here he is: (they can’t eat fish either because boats have patrolled the water so no one can fish)

srael Defense Minister Yoav Gallant: Jr

"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we will act accordingly."

Link to tweet

?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

[Mossfern]

12. If there are no consequences to the actions of Hamas

they will continue with these attacks. What do you suppose Israel should do? Unfortunately Hamas is putting those children in Gaza in harms way on purpose. It is Hamas that doesn't care about the children.

I do not support war.
I'm completely horrified and perplexed.
Israel needs to protect itself.

What about the innocent Israeli children?

So I ask you - do you have a solution?
Do you think there should be no response from Israel?

[angrychair]

17. What's your solution?

Tell me your answer. Because right now it appears to be to slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocent children in revenge.

Hamas are terrorists. We need to stop acting as if they give a shit or have anyone's interest but their own.

If the world is going to cheer from the sidelines while Israel slaughters hundreds of thousands of children, the least we owe them is to say it out loud.

[The Magistrate]

51. This Is Ridiculous

Israel is not going to 'slaughter hundreds of thousands of children'. You know this, so does everyone here.

You have provided us all with a useful lesson on the perils of argument by hyperbole. A bit of conscious exaggeration can be useful in sharpening a point, but when the trick is resorted to habitually, what was originally knowing exaggeration comes with familiarity to be taken for plain fact, which must now be exaggerated to drive home the point, and so on and so on ad infinitum, apparently....

[angrychair]

57. It's not hyperbole

*There are over a million children in Gaza, over half the population.
*They have cut off power, food and water to Gaza.
They are now bombing the town. Yes, they are warning people they are bombing and what part of Gaza is safe but that has limited value as eventually there won't be any safe spots.

[The Magistrate]

59. I Suppose I Oughtn't To Laugh, But I Must

I seldom venture predictions of the future (it's hard to do, on account of it ain't happened yet), but however this ends, it will end without the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian children by Israel armed forces.

[angrychair]

60. According to reporting

From BBC and others, Gaza will lose power within a couple days and run out of water in a couple days.
Will see how it goes when children start dying of thirst.

[The Magistrate]

61. I Am Sure You Anticipate With Eagerness the Speculative Atrocity

As sure as I am you will meet disappointment.

[Mossfern]

55. If I had a solution

I wouldn't be asking the question.

I don't think that the retaliation is aimed at children. Israel is not of the same mindset as Hamas - they want to destroy Hamas, not kids. They don't seek to torture, rape. murder and behead civilians. Israel gives warnings. Gazans need to set up shelters specifically for innocents. But please remember, it was not Israel who taught children the glory of being a suicide bomber.

So tell me.
How does Israel protect itself?

[Happy Hoosier]

10. That's a tragedy

Surely Hamas knew Israel would strike back. What do you think their motivation is? Bad press? They certainly seems willing to sacrifice those million kids.

[angrychair]

18. They are terrorists

There is no understanding their motives.

[Happy Hoosier]

21. Unfortunately, I agree...

A whole lot of death is coming to Gaza….

It makes me heartsick.

[NutmegYankee]

20. Millions of German children in 1939 never had a say on the party in power

And only 1 in 10 of the population was actually a member of the party in power (Nazis). Didn't stop them getting smashed into the earth and displaced from large tracts of territory.

[angrychair]

25. So you're comparing

A large nation to a million refugee children living under terrorists control in an Apartheid state? I've been a member of DU since 2006. Never heard so much callous disregard for life here.

[NutmegYankee]

29. After what we witnessed the other day from the party in power (Hamas)

Yeah, it's a pretty fucking apt comparison.

[Marius25]

30. Seeing as there are "Free Palestine" rallies globally calling for gassing the Jews

you're not going to see much sympathy for the Palestinian cause anymore.

[angrychair]

33. So

Israel is good to go to slaughter all the innocent children they want?

[Marius25]

34. Nah, they're not Hamas. Only Hamas does that.

[angrychair]

36. They are currently starving and dehydrating them to death

and bombing the city. So that's exactly what it is.

[Marius25]

47. Did you seriously think they wouldn't attack Hamas after what Hamas did?

The US disintegrated Dresden Germany because of what the Nazis did. This is what war is. Israel isn't going to let Hamas keep committing terrorism, and they have hostages.

[angrychair]

49. So how many

Hostages do you think will be alive after bombing the shit out of the place? They have told them where they are going to bomb.
How, exactly, does bombing save the hostages?

[ripcord]

54. How long should Israel let Hamas hold an entire nation hostage?

[angrychair]

56. You answered my question with another question.

How does bombing Gaza save the hostages?

[ripcord]

58. I did

120 hostages vs the rest of the population of Israel, how many should Hamas be allowed to hold hostage?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

66. How do you know if the hostages are even still alive?

Israel is not going to slaughter hundreds of thousands of Palestinian children.

Egypt can, and probably will, allow humanitarian aid through their side of the border and possibly allow children to cross into safety.

[Celerity]

38. that appears to be the stance of some

it is both shocking and sickening to see

[TexasDem69]

37. Hamas controls Gaza

Not Israel. Hamas was elected by the citizens of Gaza to govern them, and citizens of Gaza have been seen in videos over the last few days terrorizing children and abusing captives. If Israel controlled Faza as you claim it wouldn’t currently be engaging in a war with Gaza and Hamas.

[herding cats]

24. Where did this data come from, please?

Children usually run at about 1/4 - 1/3 high end of a population. 1/2 is truly a massively high ratio.

[angrychair]

26. Israel and the UN

Most are refugees and 40% of the Gaza population is 15 or younger.

[herding cats]

27. Link me, please?

I need to read the data.

[herding cats]

41. Are you sure you're not speaking of Gaza city?

Not the actual Gaza Strip. The demographics seem like they might be closer to a fit there? It's still not a solid fit, but maybe?

[RockRaven]

8. "Many people are saying..."

Now who does that unfortunately remind me of...?

[Emile]

64. +1