Breaking - US intelligence is reporting

[AntivaxHunters]

Iran DOES NOT appear to be involved in helping Hamas plan attacks.

I see this as VERY good news!

[getagrip_already]

1. Wagner and ruzzia....

Would be my guess. With possible help from Syria snd Saudi arsbia.

Just saying.

[Gore1FL]

2. I don't see Saudi's supporting an Iranian proxy.

Syria or Russia, possibly.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. I doubt S. Arabia: deal w Israel prob dead now. Putin benefits from chaos. tRump likes chaos too

Hamas does not want anybody to cooperate with Israel.

Putin benefits when Hamas blows up Biden's brokering of a peace deal with Israel. Both the deal and the planning for the atrocities have been in the works for months and years.

If Biden had the peace deal going into the election, it would be tougher for his opponent. No peace favours tRump and the rump favours Putin. The rump would cut funding to Ukraine.

[GregariousGroundhog]

22. I seriously doubt Saudi Arabia was involved

Saudi Arabia and Israeli relations have improved significantly over the last decade or so.

Additionally, Saudi Arabia is looking at U.S. assistance in developing a civilian nuclear program, reportedly consisting of 16 reactors capable of generating 17 gigawatts of electricity along with water desalination.

Saudi Arabia has too little to gain and too much to lose helping Hamas attack Israel.

[Backseat Driver]

47. Really? - Bone-saw murderous MSB notwithstanding? n/t

[former9thward]

50. Saudi Arabia and Hamas are enemies.

[stopdiggin]

52. but Israel played no part in that

equally, Iran is a sworn adversary - with Saudi (by extension) showing very little interest in propping up or support for any proxies they have.

As the post points to - there just is very little logic in such a 'Saudi' supposition.

[Marius25]

3. That's good, but Iran is still praising the attack so they're still evil

[Mosby]

4. You trust US intel?

What changed?

[keithbvadu2]

6. Trump trusted Putin over US Intel.

[Mosby]

7. Good for Trump.

This doesn't involve fucking Donald trump.

[peppertree]

21. But then - perhaps it does

Who disactivated - undetected - the ultra-sophisticated perimeter surrounding Gaza? (which even monitors underground movement)

This, after all, is what made the assault possible.

We know Cheeto shared Top Secret intel with Russia (and was careless with a lot more besides). Could it have made its way to Hamas?

Don't look at me. I'm Law-and-Order Man!

[Mosby]

27. Probably the same people who ferreted away the kids at sandy hook.

And took them to the underground NWO base.

[hadEnuf]

31. A former criminal traitor POTUS selling US military secrets and intelligence.

But that's got nothing to do with nothing folks, move along.



Sometimes the denial of the obvious is astounding.

[peppertree]

32. Hear, hear

The pink elephant in the room in this calamity.

Or should we say, orange.

[stopdiggin]

56. do you have a source for this?

I can't find this in any of my feeds.

[housecat]

29. Duh. Trump told us to inject bleach

[AntivaxHunters]

14. What do you mean "what changed"?

[ancianita]

33. Seriously. The very same intel that failed to see Hamas coming. People act as if intel's DOUBT is

some confirmation. It's not confirmation. It's doubting.
But how credible are the doubts of intelligence re Iran, given its recent massive failure.

Hamas could never have done what it did to Israel without other state actors.
So if it wasn't Iran, but intel won't say who else, what good is anything coming from intel at this point.

Iran has a regional ideological axis to build around the destruction of Israel -- and eventually the West, as does Russia.

I'd rather err on the side that Iran were the planners, funders of this war. And that Russia & their trumptool here were the intel source.

[stopdiggin]

54. a good deal more than some goombah on the internet ... -(nt)-

[uponit7771]

74. +1

[blm]

5. There is direct and there is indirect.

Results are the same.

[The Magistrate]

8. 'No Direct Involvement' Admits Of Many Meanings, Sir

Was anything more specific said?

[PCIntern]

13. Exactly...

And this is a fluid situation so I make no negative assumptions. Given their “bent”, the Iranians are guilty until proven innocent.

[kwolf68]

17. If nothing else..

The entire Arab world seems to either be celebrating the Hamas attack or don't really care. It's embarrassing to suggest that to defend yourself means you slaughter babies. I understand there are some things in question that are legit concerns over Gaza and the West Bank, but I am no longer interested in hearing them if your mode of "defense" is to slaughter babies, rape women and kill innocent, unarmed victims/civilians. These are not normal people, they are vile scum and want Isriel wiped off the map and appear to have more than a few cursory apologists for their cause. After hearing about what these ghouls did to innocent victims and then seeing arabs around the world celebrating such non-sense, at this point I frankly don't care if Isriel turns Gaza into a parking lot (and the people were warned as well).

[ancianita]

42. +100

[AntivaxHunters]

16. Why are you assuming my gender?

What's up with that? Please don't as I'm gender fluid & gender neutral.

[shrike3]

34. Magistrate calls everyone "sir."

Calls me "sir " too, and I'm female. I don't think he means anything by it. But if being called "sir" bothers you, I hope he's sensitive to that.

[AntivaxHunters]

37. Ya that's pretty unacceptable in the year 2023

[shrike3]

45. Hopefully, he'll be mindful.

[AntivaxHunters]

46. Fingers crossed 🤞

[Mosby]

55. The Magistrate has been posting here for more than 20 years.

Maybe be mindful of that and show the same respect he shows you.

[obamanut2012]

58. No one on here has a right to misgender anyone, no matter how long they have been postying

He also has called me "Sir" in the past, assuming, and I also didn't like that then, but everyone handwaved it, just like you do here. I do not believe the default should be male. Maybe people shoudl be mindful and respectful of that.

[stopdiggin]

65. yah. little intent to offend. and really

pretty slight reason to get snickers all in a twist.

I don't particularly care for being called dude, bub, bro .. sweetie, or any of a dozen others. But I generally let it pass - and find that the (generally) superior option to indignant high dudgeon.

[inthewind21]

69. You forgot

little woman at the end of your sentence!

[AntivaxHunters]

71. Excuse me

It's 2023. Pronouns are a thing. Assuming people's gender is unacceptable for those of us who are gender neutral. How long someone has been a member of this website is
irrelevant in this conversation. You may as well post a lasagna recipe. Big oof.

[Mosby]

76. OK, so what are your pronouns?

[Lurker Deluxe]

39. Interesting

Magistrate does not indicate sex:

noun: 1.a: civil officer or lay judge who administers the law, especially one who conducts a court that deals with minor offenses and holds preliminary hearings for more serious ones.

Yet one was assigned ... do you know they is a he?

[progressoid]

61. Not me.

I was addressed as "sir" once and asked why he/she assumed I was a man. I never received a response with "sir" again.

[shrike3]

73. I guess that's the key, then.

I don't care one way or the other, but if it bothers people they should do as you did and speak up.

[Lurker Deluxe]

38. Out of morbid curiosity

Sir.

Merriam Webster:

1a:a man entitled to be addressed as sir —used as a title before the given name of a knight or baronet and formerly sometimes before the given name of a priest
b:a man of rank or position

2a:used as a usually respectful form of address
b:capitalized —used as a conventional form of address in the salutation of a letter

In this context 2,b the word "Sir" (capitalized) is simply a form of addressing someone in the salutation of a dialogue, with respect given and no gender assumed.

So ... what word should be used to address someone, such as yourself, in this context? I can think of one ... but I would be willing to bet it is not the same as yours.

[OnlinePoker]

63. And, I believe, the U.S. military addresses female officers as Sir

Here in Canada, we say Ma'am.

[muriel_volestrangler]

78. "I"? You also say you're 30 people, in your profile

which means that picking people up on a term of address seems like quibbling. Can we call you "crowd"? "Audience"? "Readers"?

[Lithos]

41. Agreed

The wording was deliberate and vague.

"In all fighting, the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory. In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack – the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers." Sun Tzu

L-

[sarisataka]

9. I am somewhat surprised but

Will not be a denier.

After the attacks on civilians Iran did promise complete support to Hamas, similar to Biden's pledge to Israel.

One notable difference was the US Congress did not rise up and chant "Death to Palestine" after Biden's speech.

[mopinko]

10. i want to know where they trained.

seems to me going back over satellite data, tracing the attack backwards, figure out where they were. this had to b big enough to leave some tracks, right?

imho, that’s THE question.

[lindysalsagal]

11. Since when does US intelligence make reports to the public?

[malaise]

12. Was the Slobfather involved

His son in law or his close family friends?

[flamingdem]

15. Maybe Jack Smith does know who

helped Hamas and that's why this statement was released.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. Prob only in passing secrets if at all, but tRump benefits if Biden's SArabia/Israel peace deal fail

tRump would have more wind against him if Biden had/has peace deal with Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are trying to play both ends; giving tRump golf money and working with Biden on peace deal.

The Oval Office buddy-buddy festival with the Russian Ambassador and Foreign Minister in 2017: tRump apparently gave away secrets about Israeli methods and agents.

Putin benefits if tRump benefits. tRump would sabotage Ukraine for Putin's benefit.

[McKim]

18. No Regional Wider War!

This story is so important so that this war does not turn into a wider regional conflict that would have no end. Just simmer down about Iran. Remember: “Make a way where there is no way!” Said MLK!

[Escurumbele]

20. Was CNN the only one to report this?

[AntivaxHunters]

49. No there's a story on Politico too

I've not checked others

[Torchlight]

24. No absolute statements.

From link to text story (which is not a difficult thing to provide) :

The sources stressed that the US intelligence community is not ready to reach a full conclusion about whether Tehran was directly involved in the run-up to the attack. They continue to look for evidence of Iranian involvement, which caught both Israel and the United States by surprise.

Further...

And since the attack, government officials have noted that Iran has provided longstanding and significant support for Hamas, including weapons and financing, that unquestionably contributed to Hamas’s ability to pull off such a massive operation.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/politics/us-intelligence-iran-hamas-doubt/index.html#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20has%20collected,sources%20familiar%20with%20the%20intelligence.

[gab13by13]

25. Good idea to say that Iran is not involved,

even if it was. It could lead to WW III.

[liberalla]

28. Thought the same thing... at least not yet. More conclusive proof

and a careful, cautious plan of what to do. No speculation or weak accustions...

[rubbersole]

26. Malcolm Nance just on the Stephanie Miller Show....

...on how Israeli intelligence missed the warning signs. Basically, Hamas didn't communicate electronically. Small groups of Independent terrorists that didn't know other groups. Modern terrorist MO.

[Kaleva]

35. Old school actually

[Backseat Driver]

66. Is Malcom Nance referring to this com-system?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala

Hawala or hewala (Arabic: حِوالة ḥawāla, meaning transfer or sometimes trust), originating in India as havala (Hindi: हवाला , also known as havaleh in Persian,[1] and xawala or xawilaad[2] in Somali, is a popular and informal value transfer system based on the performance and honour of a huge network of money brokers (known as hawaladars). They operate outside of, or parallel to, traditional banking, financial channels and remittance systems. The system requires a minimum of two hawaladars that take care of the "transaction" without the movement of cash or telegraphic transfer. While hawaladars are spread throughout the world, they are primarily located in the Middle East, North Africa, the Horn of Africa and the Indian subcontinent. Hawala follows Islamic traditions but its use is not limited to Muslims.[3] (snip)


Remember the "beekeepers" in-person Islamic in-tel/fund transfer networks that apparently operated freely in America pre-/post- 9/11?

[IronLionZion]

30. Hamas leaders operate out of several countries: Turkey, Qatar, Syria, Iran

Out of those countries, Syria and Iran are Russian allies.

I find it hard to believe Hamas was able to breach Israel's very sophisticated Gaza barriers without help.

[blue-wave]

36. I view Ruzzia as

the most likely culprit.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

40. American war hawks feathers plucked! Those birds can't handle the truth of...no more violence??

Maybe social media in wartime is not such a reliable source??

The EU media regulators…gasp!…gets it and they getting after X!

[dchill]

43. We're through the looking glass here, people.

[aggiesal]

44. I'm sure the GQP will decline this analysis ...

since it goes against their $6B talking point.

[Polybius]

48. But they are glad that it happened

Not a cause for war, but it just goes to say what scum the Iranian government is.

[former9thward]

51. What does no "Direct" Iranian Involvement mean?

Does that mean no Iranian troops are there? What does that word mean?

[cab67]

57. I suspect...

...it means Iran wasn't involved in the actual planning or execution of the Hamas attack. Iran's continued support for Hamas would be seen as indirect involvement.

Just my interpretation of the term.

[former9thward]

64. I think that is the interpretation US policy makers want to have out there.

I think they think it may not be in the interest of the US to have Iranian involvement known. That's why I don't trust the use of that word. Anyone can project whatever they want with that word.

Which of course is just my interpretation of the word.

[stopdiggin]

68. and if you read the actual statement

it is careful not to say NO involvement - and goes on to clearly say that Iran has been a source of support and backing in the past. So - I think 'directly involved in planning, prepping or participation' in this specific operation is probably the right interpretation.

And yet - still an important point - as we have had quite straightforward assertions directly to the contrary here over the past several days ...

[Mosby]

53. Mohammed Deif

Is the Hamas leader who planned out this operation.

Stop with the conspiracy theories.

Hamas gets 100s of millions of dollars from their patrons like Iran, they had plenty of resources to put this together.

[obamanut2012]

59. The OP is literally reporting what CNN said

CNN and US Intel may or may not be wrong, but the OP is not spreading conspiracy theories.

[AntivaxHunters]

77. Thank you

[Elessar Zappa]

60. Hope that's correct.

We don’t need a wider war in the Middle East unless the evidence supports it. I’m still doubtful Iran isn’t involved but I for the most part I trust our intelligence services.

[progressoid]

62. This won't stop the RW politicians and media from pushing the IRAN angle though.

[keithbvadu2]

67. So who did help them plan and support this attack?

It seems to be quite a plan and capability for the Palestinians to do it all by themselves.

[SYFROYH]

72. They've been practicing a long time.

There might not be a grand organizer outside of Hamas.

[DallasNE]

70. This Is Nothing More Than A Gut Feeling

But how did that military hardware get inside Gaza? To me, that points to the Egyptian gateway. So what happened at the checkpoint that allowed this transfer? How did things get so relaxed?

[uponit7771]

75. Need to know confidence rate of what US intel is reporting, high? low? medium? or DK

[bdamomma]

79. Russia

is in on this, smells like Putin.