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It's a year and a month out, so the close Senate race could turn around with so many undecideds. However, Trump leading by 12 is disturbing.
Ohio - Trump vs. Biden: Trump 45, Biden 33 Trump +12
Ohio Senate - Brown vs. Dolan: Dolan 38, Brown 36
Ohio Senate - Brown vs. LaRose: LaRose 39, Brown 38
Ohio Senate - Brown vs. Moreno: Brown 35, Moreno 33
Ohio 2024 Poll: Brown Faces Competitive General Election; Trump Leads Biden in 2024 Matchup
unc70
(6,121 posts)Roughly 35-40% undecided.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,482 posts)Ohio hasnt been a swing state in a long time. Politically it behaves more and more like a southern state with colder weather.
Polybius
(15,498 posts)I don't know what's gotten into Ohio. It's polling to the right of Texas. What did Republicans do that's so good to the people of Ohio?
MyNameIsJonas
(744 posts)If Biden is going four-points worse in Ohio compared to 2020, it's not unreasonable to think he could be doing four-points worse in states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. If he is, he loses those three states and the election.
BannonsLiver
(16,482 posts)However, it would reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of how this works, recent history etc. And in any case none of those states were mentioned by the poster.
MyNameIsJonas
(744 posts)Ohio isn't going to be won by Biden but the state still has enough in common with its neighbors to use as a barometer on how Biden is doing in the region.
He's doing 4 points worse than he did in 2020.
He's doing 6 points worse than Tim Ryan did in 2022.
Biden barely won in 2020 and even a small shift of support away from in 2024 could lose him reelection.
And what we've seen the last few election cycles is that Clinton in 2016 did 11 points worse than Obama in 2012 in Ohio. She also did significantly worse in regional states.
But with how close 2020 was, Biden can't really afford to lose support. And since elections typically don't act in a vacuum, Biden doing four-points worse, even in Ohio, could suggest a bigger problem in actual swing states.
Which would explain why the latest Michigan poll has him losing to Trump by 7:
https://archive.ph/pM0yJ
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)MyNameIsJonas
(744 posts)The only election closer was 2000.
Biden essentially won by 42,921 votes across Arizona (10,457), Georgia (11,779), and Wisconsin (20,682).
Remember, we don't pick presidents by popular vote. In the electoral college, all it would have taken was for Trump to win 43,000 across those three states and he would have tied Biden in the EC and likely won via the House.
2020 was extremely close at the state level and I see no reason to believe 2024 will be any different.
Even more so now that the electoral college has changed due to electoral votes shifting.
If Biden loses those three states, states he won last time by an average of just 14,000 votes, he loses to Trump 272-266 unless he flips one of the following: Texas, North Carolina, Ohio or Florida. And that's assuming he doesn't lose Pennsylvania (a state he won by 82,000 votes last time or Michigan).
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)polls.
MyNameIsJonas
(744 posts)But no, I'm not misreading polls lol
If the election was held today, polls indicate the election would be a toss-up. Fortunately, there's still a year out from the election.
Sky Jewels
(7,151 posts)My home state has been so disappointing. It has a lot of small/medium cities; there's no reason it should be this fucking red.
brooklynite
(94,748 posts)Ohio hasnt been competitive in Presidential elections since 2012.
Polybius
(15,498 posts)We need that Senate seat.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)Right-leaning poll with 43 registered voters...not even likely voters. Did you even look at it...and they tell nothing how they picked the participant...just mumbo jumbo.
https://emersoncollegepolling.com/ohio-2024-poll-brown-faces-competitive-general-election-trump-leads-biden-in-2024-matchup/
It is important to remember that subsets based on demographics, such as gender, age, education, and race/ethnicity, carry with them higher credibility intervals, as the sample size is reduced. Survey results should be understood within the polls range of scores, and know with a confidence interval of 95% a poll will fall outside the range of scores 1 in 20 times.
This survey was conducted by Emerson College Polling, and questions included in this release are all sponsored by Emerson College. All questions asked in this survey with exact wording, along with full results and cross tabulations can be found here.
Polybius
(15,498 posts)They have been trending Right since 2012. Trump won there by more than expected in 2020, and there's no way that a Trump backed election denier like JD Vance should have won in 2022, but he did.
BTW, you have a typo. You said "poll with 43 registered voters", but it's 438.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)is a shitty poll. You don't have to believe me. Doom and gloom dampens the vote which is the purpose of this poll.
Polybius
(15,498 posts)I just wanted to let you know. As for doom and gloom, I report good news polls as well. I think polls are fun topics of discussion.
yankee87
(2,181 posts)Yet in Pennsylvania, just east of Ohio, went to a Democrat landslide. With Prop 1 and 2, I have hope for Ohio.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)Unless you believe that enough people will vote for both Trump and Brown.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)DemocratInPa
(356 posts)Brown will lose, we will lose Manchin seat, and I am not counting on us keeping Tester or Sinema seats tbh.
I do think we will get Congress back though.
My scare is we are over estimating how Gen Z will show up..We still got a lot of time left, but if you go to Gen Z for change on Twitter, there leader is pretty much blasting Dems for their ignoring Climate Change. She even interrupted a Jean-Pierre briefing over it.
Alhena
(3,030 posts)DemocratInPa
(356 posts)There are Trump signs everywhere...
PA will be battle in 2024 no doubt.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)In an opt in poll .. sraight into the bin