I am thinking that Israel should mobilize their army, secure their borders, but not advance into

[JohnSJ]

Gaza. I believe that is exactly what Hamas wants Israel to do, and it is a trap.

Right now the majority of the world is with Israel, but a full scale invasion could easily turn that around, and why I think a methodical approach needs to be taken.

intelligence networks within Gaza needs to to be utilized to make pinpoint strikes against Hamas leaders and Hamas fighters, to try and minimize civilian casualties.

Unfortunately, I don’t think that will happen, and there will be a full scale invasion into Gaza, Hezbolah will join in, and the potential for a full scale war in that entire region will be very high

[edhopper]

1. I don't think

They can neutralize Hamas without going in.

[Straw Man]

16. I think ...

I don't think

They can neutralize Hamas without going in.

... you are correct.

The only other way to do it would be to bomb all of Gaza into a parking lot, and that would be far worse for the Palestinians and for world opinion. The bottom line is that Israel can't just sit back and let Hamas keep lobbing missiles and plotting new atrocities.

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Most likely nothing is going to happen. Last time the IDF

Tried that in Lebanon it was a disaster.

[JohnSJ]

4. Actually the primary objective for them going into Lebanon was to drive the PLO from the Lebanon

border, and eliminate the Syrian SAMS in south and central Lebanon, and those objective were met.

This is an entirely different situation, and I think the speculation that nothing is going to happen is not correct. Israel has mobilized 300,000 troops, and that is the strongest signal that something very major is going to happen, with a very dangerous probability that other parties will get involved.

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. They have those people mobilized constantly.

And it doesn't mean shit.

[JohnSJ]

14. This is very different this time.

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. Sure.

[Ace Rothstein]

20. When in the past have they mobilized 300k troops near the Gaza border?

While over 100 of their citizens are being held hostage.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. They invented that objective after the rout.

[EX500rider]

3. I think Israel thinks they have tried the air approach in the past and still this happened

Too hard to find them all from the air in a dense urban environment, esp as Hamas has dug many tunnels.

My guess is they are getting enough forces together (they have mobilized 300,000 + the regular forces) to sweep Gaza from end to end and end Hamas.

[JohnSJ]

9. I am pretty sure you are right. You don't mobilize 300,000 troops for nothing. However, Israel

has successfully targeted Hamas leaders, and if they had the intelligence they could do that approach again.

Once they enter Gaza I don't think it will just be Hamas. I pretty sure Hezbolah and other parties will join the fight, with a real possibility of Syria and Iran as proxies of Russia.

Once this starts, I don't think this is going to be a short war, with the real possibility of expansion.

[Behind the Aegis]

7. It doesn't matter what Israel does or doesn't do....it is wrong!

See, I have already laid out every comment for the next 10 years in regard to any action by Israel. The only thing that will satisfy Hamas, its supporters, enablers, and the ARMY of excuse-making bigots is for Israel to no longer exist.

[JohnSJ]

10. On that point you are right because they have already started that garbage right after the

Hamas terrorist attack.

[Behind the Aegis]

11. Like the saying goes, "When they tell you who they are, beleive them."

Lots of masks fell the fuck off.

[JohnSJ]

13. I am not that naive.

[Behind the Aegis]

17. I know you are not.

It was more of a general message.

[JohnSJ]

18. +++

[ForgedCrank]

8. I believe

that doctrine is dead now.
Israel has no choice, they are going in, and they will move fast when they do.
I just hope this can be ended quickly without hostilities spreading and more fronts opening up.

[JohnSJ]

12. Of course if only it would end quickly without expansion. Unfortunately I fear the odds of that

happening are between slim and none, and when Netanyahu says prepare for a long difficult fight, I think that says it all.

[moonshinegnomie]

19. no chance that happens

israel is going to go block by block and destroy hamas in gaza. i dont think there is a power on earth that can stop them.

[EndlessWire]

21. They're going to go block by block

until they find out what happened to the hostages. The worst mistake Hamas made was taking hostages. It guarantees a ground invasion.

Now, if the hostages were to suddenly reappear, Israel would have some decisions to make. But, as it stands now, Hamas should be dealt with as efficiently as possible.

I think a humanitarian corridor should be placed, but very carefully. That could be tricky, but if Egypt would buy in, maybe the UN could administer whatever shape the refugees took as far as a camp or something.

In any event, the Palestinians must be allowed to have their own country. At least that. I think the world will start calling for it loudly. Would the Palestinians be smart enough to take it?

The go to argument is, how would you like it if someone came and demanded one of our states as a country for someone. Florida, maybe? No, just kidding. Well, it's not the same thing. But, Israel would be smart to give them Gaza, which doesn't seem to be beneficial to them anyway, under the circumstances. Hamas doesn't get to intervene in any way.

[moonshinegnomie]

22. i suggested this and got ridiculed

i said let them have gaza and teh west bank as countries but
1) establish a no mans land between them like the dmz in korea. anyone entering it gets shot
2) cut off all ties to both eteh WB and gaza. they can have a country but israel doesnt have to supply them with squat and doesnt have to let them work in israel
3) inspect ships coming into the port of gaza to prevent them carrying weapons just like we inspect north koreas ships thought to be smuggling oil

if after this either place attacks israel then level them

as to any jewish settlements on the west bank give the settlers a choice.... either move back to israel proper or remain in the WB under palestinian rule. their choice

[EndlessWire]

23. I think it should be

a three state solution. All countries have borders that should be enforced, but I don't agree with isolating them. There would be no functional difference from what they have now. In fact, they would end up with less.

We can expect Hamas to continue, unless Israel is successful in eliminating their upper command. The new government must understand that Israel will finish them completely if they cross borders and attack again.

As far as settlements in the West Bank, sure they can submit to living in a foreign country, or they can move out.

I really didn't know that Gaza and the West Bank hate one another. That's creepy.