The Prime Minister of Israel has released some of the photos some on DU are in denial about.

[Tomconroy]

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

You have to click on the link I guess because xitter is trying to hide them. And then click again on the blurred image. My advice though is: Don't do it. You won't be able to unsee the pictures.

This is my last post here on DU for awhile. The tankies make me ill.

[honest.abe]

1. Link doesnt work.

[Tomconroy]

4. Works for me. Guess you need to go directly to the PMs

Twitter feed then.

[honest.abe]

5. Ok maybe I dont want to see them anyway.

Thanks.

[BannonsLiver]

2. Nailed it dead to rights with your last sentence.

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[Hekate]

8. "Tankies"? What does it mean?

[BannonsLiver]

9. Here you go.

From what I can tell the term has evolved some. Like today Jeremy Corbyn would fit this term perfectly.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tankie

[Hekate]

22. TYVM. It's not a term I'd heard before --

“Send the tanks in.” Hm.

[Mosby]

40. Here's a tankie

She trolled DU for about 10 years, and when she was finally TSed she went to Progressive Independent and was even banned from there.

She goes by clarity of signal now, don't remember her DU name. A lot of the people who left DU for PI, the Bell, Old Elm Tree were Marxist trolls.

https://clarityofsignal.com/

People like violet crumble and someone named tiniore know a lot more about this than I do.

[maxsolomon]

3. Skepticism isn't the same as denial.

In this age of disinformation, skepticism is warranted.

Thanks for the link; I won't look.

[Johnny2X2X]

37. The reason people are sensitive about it in this case is

Is because common antisemetic trope is that the Jews exaggerated the holocaust, and exaggerate things in relation to Palestine often.

It's part of common Neo Nazi dogma that is part of their holocaust denial, that the Jews exaggerate all the time and exaggerated the holocaust. Neo Nazis will tell you that the holocaust just didn't happen on the scale that is reported and that Jews inflated the numbers and the horrors in order to get people to feel sorry for them.

I think the last 20 years have seen the general public forget some common antisemetic themes and then people are taken aback when people flip out when they're using language that has long been considered antisemetic and that Jews recognize immediately because they've been hearing them from Neo Nazis and Klan members their whole lives.

That's why this child beheading thing became such a hot button in my opinion.

[maxsolomon]

38. Good points.

nt

[atreides1]

6. You're right

Don't look...

[Mosby]

7. Marxism has always been and always will be deeply immoral.

Frankly no different than qanon and Maga. Just a different perspective.

[The Magistrate]

11. Good Lord....

[redqueen]

12. My sentiments exactly nt

[Mosby]

14. Fascism, created by the state or the proletariat is immoral.

Nt.

[The Magistrate]

15. Whatever

"Say, can ya tell me how many touchdowns the Yankees scored in the World Series?"

[inthewind21]

46. LOL

[speak easy]

16. "Frankly no different than qanon and Maga" !

[Dave says]

17. No, no

It’s fascism created by the privileged classes vs. fascism created by skilled opportunists taking advantage of the misery of the proletariat.

Not sure why “Marxism” even came up? Does Hamas claim to be a Marxist organization? They are an Islamist fundamentalist group. Religiosity immediately disqualifies any group from being Marxist, the latter which dismisses religion as the opiate of the people.

[Mosby]

35. The OP mentioned them

We call them tankies on twitter.

They have been trolling DU for decades.

[Dave says]

50. I did not know that. Now I know, thank you.

[Act_of_Reparation]

42. Fascism is not a catch-all descriptor for an authoritarian society.

Marxism and fascism are at opposite ends of an ideological continuum, my guy. You don't have to like either one, but they are not the same.

[Mosby]

43. I don't get hung up on words.

Because like in this situation, it's meaningless distinctions.

Is Cubas government fascist or authoritarian or Marxist?

[inthewind21]

48. "I don;t get hung up on words"

Clearly

[Mosby]

51. Ok.

Is Israel defending their country in Gazaor are they engaged in retaliation and revenge?

If you use those words your engaging in propaganda.

[Act_of_Reparation]

52. I like people to understand me when I say something.

Words, as it should happen, are fairly useful in this respect.

And Cuba's government is an authoritarian Marxist regime.

[Mosby]

53. I didn't explain myself very well

Obviously I think it's very important to characterize things correctly. But the folks who seem to have serious issues with western societies tend to obsess about the exact meaning of things, in an attempt to obfuscate the actual points being made. This happens here every day, all day.

[leftstreet]

13. I'm a Marxist and I've always felt welcome here n/t

[obamanut2012]

26. wtaf does any of this have to do with Marxism

And, Marxism and Q are not the same. jesus Christ.

[Mosby]

34. That was a bit of an exaggeration.

On my part.

Not going to apologize though, seen too many disrupters here.

[jcgoldie]

30. Wtf does marxism have to do with this?

[Mosby]

33. The OP mentioned them

We call the tankies on twitter.

They have been trolling DU for decades.

[leftstreet]

10. There are Stalinists here at DU?

This I didn't know

[obamanut2012]

28. No -- the OP just wants to smear DUers not toeing teh line he has drawn

[WarGamer]

18. What's a tankie?

[The Magistrate]

19. It Hasn't Been In Wide Circulation Long, Sir

It has a folk etymology relating it to people arguing the Soviets were right to send tanks into Czechoslovakia in '68, because that stymied NATO aggression. My memories of that time are innocent of the expression.

It is used today to refer to people who take the view that anyone opposing the Atlantic powers, or anyone the Atlantic powers oppose, is the side in the right, by definition. Because the Atlantic powers constitute the greatest concentration of evil in the world, and oppress and seek to oppress further, everyone else. So nothing else need be known of any situation to know what's the right side in it....

[WarGamer]

21. Thanks Magistrate... so the opposite of a tankie is a Neocon

[getagrip_already]

24. No, the opposite of a tankie is a thinking person

A neocon is as bad as a tankie, only bent in a different direction.

Tankies belive everything bad in the world is America's fault. Period. Even the bloody head being held by a terrorist is America's fault. That is a tankie.

A neocon is a fascist who just wants to pick a fight with a weaker target they hate for one reason or another.

[WarGamer]

31. Not really...

Neoconservatism, in the American sense is a post WW2 thing requiring a US-centric world that really escalated after the fall of the Wall and breakup of the USSR.

Neocons believe that the US is always right and has the right and/or obligation to spread American style policies worldwide.

A neocon is an American tourist in Naples with a MAGA hat on eating a glorious Napoli pizza and yelling how Dominos Pizza is better back home.

The goal for all people on this Earth is a multi-polar planet living in peace.

That's not going to happen with an American bully taking on the world every other day.

Am I a tankie, lol?

I thought I was just a consistent progressive.


PRIME EXAMPLE of neocon foreign policy in action?

Shrub the War Criminals Middle East policies.

[malaise]

36. Love this post

😀

[inthewind21]

49. Ethnocentrism

eth·no·cen·trism

/ˌeTHnōˈsenˌtriz(ə m/

noun
evaluation of other cultures according to preconceptions originating in the standards and customs of one's own culture.

[The Magistrate]

29. That I Couldn't Say, Sir

'Neocon' had a distinct whiff of 'the Hidden Hand of the Jew' about it at its emergence, the line being that they were manipulating US policy in the Near East to serve Israeli interests, not US interests, and was initially not a left but a rightist usage. I've never detected much meaning besides that in the term. Taken neutrally it is nothing, a melange of liberal interventionism and realpolitik tough-guy posturing served with a sauce of free-marketeering....

[AntivaxHunters]

23. "Tankies" is leftist space language

It refers to leftists who are pro-imperialism & military intervention.

It's very much a pejorative.

[getagrip_already]

25. You are very wrong there....

A tankie is someone who believes everything bad in the world is America's fault.

Period.

[AntivaxHunters]

39. Huh? That is definitely not it

As someone who runs in very left Socialist circles, you're very incorrect in your definition which is a sweeping generalization. It specifically refers to Stalinist & ML ideals & is very pro-interventionism.

Many Socialists like myself are very anti-war & anti-violence.
It's literally a very different ideology than what many of us believe. And the term is a pejorative & slang for people who support rule via iron fist.

They are autocrats.

[AntivaxHunters]

20. NSFW TAG PLEASE!

WARNING ⚠️

DO NOT LOOK if you are sensitive to violent images.
Many people have PTSD.
BE SAFE ❤️

[obamanut2012]

27. Give me a break with the "Tankies" thing

There are probably three on DU.

[demmiblue]

32. Stop your drama; no one is in denial.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

41. As I say, the best propaganda is true.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

44. Twitter has always been a cesspool, but the comments on the original post are ...

... well, something.

Basically-- "How come the dead babies still have their heads on, huh? And there are only four of them, not 40."

[BlueCheeseAgain]

45. I haven't looked at them yet.

I don't know. Part of me says confronting the reality of terror is important. Part of me doesn't want to be traumatized for life.

I do hope the denialists (not here on DU) see them, however.

[TexasBushwhacker]

54. I remember looking at the film of Daniel Pearl's murder

My logic was to see who we were dealing with. Those were Pakistani terrorists that beheaded him, but a terrorist is a terrorist. Terrorists abandon every shred of humanity they have for their cause. I don't understand why someone would do that, but I don't need to reconfirm that fact.

[Stuart G]

47. War is cruel. It always has been, and always will be.

Cruel beyond belief!!!