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mysteryowl

(9,315 posts)
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 12:23 PM Oct 2023

Israel had a 3-day warning

The US has confirmed that Egypt warned Tel Aviv of a possible impending attack, according to the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee — who says he is “not quite sure” how Israel and the US “missed it.”

“We know that Egypt had warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen,” Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) said Wednesday following a closed-door intelligence briefing, according to the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-confirms-egypt-warned-israel-three-days-before-hamas-attack/ar-AA1i6jZx

So, does this mean that Netanyahu intentionally did nothing? Did he want this to happen so he was justified to completely wipe out Palestine? Sure makes me wonder.
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Israel had a 3-day warning (Original Post) mysteryowl Oct 2023 OP
Not a stretch. We know Bibi is corrupt. Sneederbunk Oct 2023 #1
Yes, he is and like so many RW dictators they are completely immoral. mysteryowl Oct 2023 #3
THIS malaise Oct 2023 #15
From the first reports my own warning system went off... mysteryowl Oct 2023 #19
Truth will,out eventually malaise Oct 2023 #20
Don't stop now, Rep. McCaul. What else did you learn from that closed-door intelligence briefing? mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2023 #2
I realize it is a republican quote, but others have been reporting this too. mysteryowl Oct 2023 #4
My point was, maybe the smartest thing one can say after leaving a mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2023 #14
Yes, there were reports of a warning ten days before the attack. brush Oct 2023 #18
I am not finding that, can you provide a link, by any chance? JudyM Oct 2023 #36
They are all just reporting what he said, as far as I can find. JudyM Oct 2023 #35
There was an argument that FDR was eager to see America get involved in WW ll ... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #27
It's probably just good old fashioned incompetence on Netanyahu's part, Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #5
Seems quite a bit like PNAC's "New Pearl Harbor" strategy, Snarkoleptic Oct 2023 #6
I also heard that Jordan warned Bibi. gab13by13 Oct 2023 #7
That's curious, I have not read that yet. mysteryowl Oct 2023 #9
Where is the story line that Netanyahu "sacrificed his people"coming from? lapucelle Oct 2023 #38
Jordan's GID warned the US about 9/11. roamer65 Oct 2023 #22
Link? JudyM Oct 2023 #37
there could possibly be attacks sometime. LizBeth Oct 2023 #8
And how often are these warnings given? Every few weeks? Every few months? Occasionally? Rarely? Freethinker65 Oct 2023 #10
Well inthewind21 Oct 2023 #13
Nothing makes people support a government more than a war. republianmushroom Oct 2023 #11
Could be inthewind21 Oct 2023 #12
Maybe that's why many are saying this is Israel's 9/11 Marcus IM Oct 2023 #16
I'll wait to hear this from the WH or other Biden official - won't take MCaul's word for it Justice Oct 2023 #17
L.I.H.O.P. nt albacore Oct 2023 #21
What does that stand for? mysteryowl Oct 2023 #23
I think it's "let it happen on purpose". BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #26
I'd like to subscribe to the LIHOP theory of events... albacore Oct 2023 #41
That's a Republican talking point from coming from a Republican Trump apologist lapucelle Oct 2023 #24
I wouldn't be surprised if Israel was warned something big was about to happen. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #28
These posts are aimed at reframing the attacks as Israel's fault as well. BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #29
That's pretty clear at this point. lapucelle Oct 2023 #32
Agree 100 percent BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #33
Indeed. lapucelle Oct 2023 #39
After every surprise attack, people find warnings that were issued beforehand. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #25
Netanyahu is an honorable man Dirty Socialist Oct 2023 #30
If McCaul's the source, don't believe it. Paladin Oct 2023 #31
He also said he didn't know how Israel and rhe U.S. missed it ripcord Oct 2023 #34
Republican from Texas said what? yardwork Oct 2023 #40

malaise

(296,104 posts)
15. THIS
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 01:02 PM
Oct 2023

and just a few weeks ago the vast majority of his population were against him.
Beware of greedy, corrupt, power-hungry amoral men.

Something is very strange about these events.

mysteryowl

(9,315 posts)
19. From the first reports my own warning system went off...
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 01:45 PM
Oct 2023

Something is very wrong with this situation. First off, what happened to the missile air defense the US set up for billions. It had been functioning well before this disaster.

mahatmakanejeeves

(69,851 posts)
2. Don't stop now, Rep. McCaul. What else did you learn from that closed-door intelligence briefing?
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 12:36 PM
Oct 2023
“We know that Egypt had warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen,” Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) said Wednesday following a closed-door intelligence briefing, according to the Wall Street Journal.

mahatmakanejeeves

(69,851 posts)
14. My point was, maybe the smartest thing one can say after leaving a
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 12:58 PM
Oct 2023

closed-door intelligence briefing is "no comment."

"Those {fine Japanese people} aren't going to win this war, and I'll just give you one example why. They don't even know what depth our subs are traveling at. They think it's {so many} feet. Well, let me tell you, I just got back from talking with our Navy boys, and they say our subs are much deeper than that. Why, they travel at {many more} feet deep. That ought to show you just how smart Tojo is."

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
18. Yes, there were reports of a warning ten days before the attack.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 01:38 PM
Oct 2023

IMO Netanyahu ignored or under estimated the scale of the attack, thought it could be handled and would solidify his grip on power.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
27. There was an argument that FDR was eager to see America get involved in WW ll ...
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:11 PM
Oct 2023

There was an argument that FDR was eager to see America get involved in WW ll and he needed a pretext so he ignored chatter there would be a Japanese attack but an attack certainly should have been a possibility when we embargoed them and cut them off from necessary resources.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
5. It's probably just good old fashioned incompetence on Netanyahu's part,
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 12:39 PM
Oct 2023

similar to the Bush administration ignoring the intelligence regarding 9/11.

Snarkoleptic

(6,235 posts)
6. Seems quite a bit like PNAC's "New Pearl Harbor" strategy,
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 12:40 PM
Oct 2023

where they needed a mass casualty incident to happen in order to implement right-wing policies.
Earlier this year, there were mass protests in Israel, over Netanyahu's attempt to undermine the independence of the Israeli Supreme Court.

mysteryowl

(9,315 posts)
9. That's curious, I have not read that yet.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 12:43 PM
Oct 2023

Sounds like Bibi sacrificed his people to have everything HE wants. His RW dictator agenda.

Oh, Israel! I am so sorry you trusted him.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
38. Where is the story line that Netanyahu "sacrificed his people"coming from?
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:57 PM
Oct 2023

Who exactly is saying that? Is that a "theory" making the rounds in the bowels of the internet?



roamer65

(37,953 posts)
22. Jordan's GID warned the US about 9/11.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:05 PM
Oct 2023

They even got Bin Laden’s code name for the operation correct.

They run a tight ship.

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
37. Link?
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:39 PM
Oct 2023

I just spent time looking for credible info and didn’t find any. Would like to read more about that.

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
10. And how often are these warnings given? Every few weeks? Every few months? Occasionally? Rarely?
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 12:47 PM
Oct 2023

Was this warning different than the others?

There are always threats being made, was this shared intelligence deemed more credible and no action was taken?

Every time a major attack occurs, we hear of warnings being neglected. We never consider warnings are continuously assessed, and a majority are "neglected", and this turns out to be the correct decision.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
12. Could be
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 12:54 PM
Oct 2023

Look what the US allowed, relinquished and gave away after 9/11. Not out of the realm of possibility.

 

Marcus IM

(3,001 posts)
16. Maybe that's why many are saying this is Israel's 9/11
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 01:03 PM
Oct 2023

Wondering if we'll find out about security officials with their hair on fire or some Aug 6th type memo scenarios.

Justice

(7,261 posts)
17. I'll wait to hear this from the WH or other Biden official - won't take MCaul's word for it
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 01:05 PM
Oct 2023

albacore

(2,747 posts)
41. I'd like to subscribe to the LIHOP theory of events...
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 03:25 PM
Oct 2023

.. but I am convinced that a much better explanation is that people ignore warnings or that bureaucracies are just too fucked up to respond quickly. Occam's Razor applies here.
Still.... we ARE talking about Bibi. Who knows what minds like Bibi's - or trump's - can come up with?

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
24. That's a Republican talking point from coming from a Republican Trump apologist
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:06 PM
Oct 2023

via the New York Post. The goal of the talking point is to weaken President Biden.

Why does New York Post story at your link read "US confirms"? This was something said by Republican Michael McCaul.

The US has confirmed that Egypt warned Tel Aviv of a possible impending attack, according to the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee — who says he is “not quite sure” how Israel and the US “missed it.”

“We know that Egypt had warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen,” Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) said Wednesday following a closed-door intelligence briefing, according to the Wall Street Journal.

“I don’t want to get too much into classified (details), but a warning was given. I think the question was at what level.”


A WaPo editorial perspective on McCaul

Opinion Republican apologists’ defenses of Trump lies go unchallenged. Still./div]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/06/mccaul-trump-document-defense-unchallenged/

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,852 posts)
28. I wouldn't be surprised if Israel was warned something big was about to happen.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:13 PM
Oct 2023

That's fundamentally different than warning them of the intensity and sophistication of the attack.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
32. That's pretty clear at this point.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:26 PM
Oct 2023

We shouldn't be amplifying anti-Biden talking points from Republicans who are trying to use Hamas' deliberate, calculated slaughter of Jews to their advantage.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,983 posts)
25. After every surprise attack, people find warnings that were issued beforehand.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:08 PM
Oct 2023

The problem is usually incompetence, or that the info gets lost in a sea of other info, or that there are warnings all the time, so the real one gets ignored.

Pearl Harbor, 9/11, etc.

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
30. Netanyahu is an honorable man
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:25 PM
Oct 2023

Last edited Thu Oct 12, 2023, 03:24 PM - Edit history (1)

I am sure he will do the honorable thing, take responsibility, and resign.
Just kidding. Bibi is just another narcissist.

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
31. If McCaul's the source, don't believe it.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:25 PM
Oct 2023

Not without significant, trustworthy confirmation.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
34. He also said he didn't know how Israel and rhe U.S. missed it
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 02:30 PM
Oct 2023

Are you also blaming President Biden for knowing about the warning and purposely ignoring it?

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
40. Republican from Texas said what?
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 03:10 PM
Oct 2023

And, suppose Israel did have a warning of a possible terrorist attack three days in advance? What should they have done? Sent everybody home to wait? Shut everything down, closed all businesses?

I'm unclear on what they could have done. Not do I trust a statement made by a Republican Congress critter. Don't they have their own business to attend to right now?

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