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Eugene

(67,105 posts)
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 10:57 PM Oct 2023

Not The Onion: Gov. Greg Abbott Lines Texas-New Mexico Border With Razor Wire

Gov. Greg Abbott Lines Texas-New Mexico Border With Razor Wire

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott announced this week that the Texas National Guard is installing razor wire along the border of Texas and New Mexico on his orders. “Migrants are entering New Mexico illegally then crossing into Texas,” Abbott wrote on X. “We are stopping it.” The move represents an escalation in the governor’s multibillion-dollar efforts to repel immigrants from crossing into Texas, now targeted at New Mexico, which is governed by Michelle Lujan Grisham, a Democrat.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/gov-greg-abbott-lines-texas-new-mexico-border-with-razor-wire
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Not The Onion: Gov. Greg Abbott Lines Texas-New Mexico Border With Razor Wire (Original Post) Eugene Oct 2023 OP
I guess Interstate 10 west will be next, eh Greg? Xavier Breath Oct 2023 #1
Um, in this country we call it a state line, not a border Walleye Oct 2023 #2
The Texas Military Department says it's a border muriel_volestrangler Oct 2023 #27
Texas doesn't really want to be a part of the United States Walleye Oct 2023 #37
His multi-billion dollar effort gab13by13 Oct 2023 #3
This man is criminally insane. n/t KarenS Oct 2023 #4
+1 2naSalit Oct 2023 #5
Why would immigrants already in the US which is their goal... brush Oct 2023 #24
That fucker... 2naSalit Oct 2023 #6
At first I thought he now has a bus line to transport illegal Emile Oct 2023 #7
I at first thought you said Mexico usonian Oct 2023 #8
That's the Corpus Christi Caller Times, a Scripps newspaper and the newspaper of record there. Eugene Oct 2023 #15
no paywall version moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #19
Worthless human beings bluestarone Oct 2023 #9
Gee, didn't Trump 'secure the border' mzmolly Oct 2023 #10
Most secure border ever. "I alone built it". usonian Oct 2023 #11
Good, Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #12
Razor wire to keep pregnant women in Texas. roamer65 Oct 2023 #13
That boy aint right in the head... Xolodno Oct 2023 #14
pretty much no federal land in texas moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #20
Except that the total acreage under federal control ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #30
on a percentage basis teh feds only control 1.9% of texas moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #36
"Do not mistreat the foreigners among you in your land but treat them as your native-born and struggle4progress Oct 2023 #16
Now read on to Leviticus 25:44-46 ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #31
Accepting refuges and immigrants... stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #32
Unless they were black ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #34
Holy Wars were fought over these issues. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #35
"Do not neglect to offer hospitality to strangers, for by doing so struggle4progress Oct 2023 #17
Again, read the whole book ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #33
In the early 1700s, ... stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #38
id love to see new mexico do the following moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #18
Remember, Greg, Oklahoma borders both states. Better wire that up, too. nt Buns_of_Fire Oct 2023 #21
"Hot Wheels" is a disgusting human being. walkingman Oct 2023 #22
Greg Abbott is a sick, bloodthirsty psychopath! Initech Oct 2023 #23
all Abbott and DeSantis do is perform for the sick cult Skittles Oct 2023 #25
He can't prevent people from moving across state lines prodigitalson Oct 2023 #26
Cruelty is a feature, not a bug sakabatou Oct 2023 #28
So if you are in New Mexico and the governor of Texas is an asshole sociopath Norbert Oct 2023 #29
Texas likes to pretend to be a sovereign country Buckeyeblue Oct 2023 #39
Abbot's A Fascist Fool - - Concertina Cutters Are Widely Available MayReasonRule Oct 2023 #40
Well, if you didn't think he was a sociopath before this... GoCubsGo Oct 2023 #41

muriel_volestrangler

(106,214 posts)
27. The Texas Military Department says it's a border
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 04:11 AM
Oct 2023
The Texas Military Department said the newly installed razor wired north of downtown El Paso across from New Mexico's Sunland Park builds in the 18 miles of concertina wire the National Guard has laid on El Paso's border with Mexico.

"We are now fortifying the border between Texas and New Mexico to block migrants who are entering New Mexico illegally and then crossing into Texas," the Military Department said in an unsigned statement. "The effort in El Paso was bolstered by the recent deployment of the Texas Tactical Border Force to El Paso. The Texas National Guard remains focused on operations to prevent, deter, and interdict transnational criminal activity and illegal immigration along the border."

https://eu.caller.com/story/news/local/texas/state-bureau/2023/10/11/gov-greg-abbott-is-now-fortifying-texas-border-with-new-mexico/71141567007/
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
24. Why would immigrants already in the US which is their goal...
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 01:08 AM
Oct 2023

want to move to Texas? Ya don't walk a thousand miles to the US to get to Texas.

2naSalit

(102,817 posts)
6. That fucker...
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 11:16 PM
Oct 2023

Needs to be red flagged. He is not of sound mind and should not be holding office for anything.

usonian

(25,370 posts)
8. I at first thought you said Mexico
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 11:19 PM
Oct 2023

Well, isn't that special?

If it's not a stock photo, here's an image from the Daily Beast



The original article is at Caller Times, and I ain't going there.

Eugene

(67,105 posts)
15. That's the Corpus Christi Caller Times, a Scripps newspaper and the newspaper of record there.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 11:44 PM
Oct 2023

They also have a strict paywall.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
12. Good,
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 11:38 PM
Oct 2023

that’ll keep the crazy Texans out of my state (this is not directed to the wonderful Texas liberals).

Xolodno

(7,351 posts)
14. That boy aint right in the head...
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 11:42 PM
Oct 2023

If it goes through private land, you got a nice lawsuit. If it goes through Federal you now have Federal Environmental lawsuit.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
30. Except that the total acreage under federal control
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 04:43 AM
Oct 2023

Is the 17th largest in the nation. The nearly 3 million acres under federal control is larger than the total acreage of Delaware and Rhode Island, combined.

Not difficult to understand why, given that the feds are in charge of all of the following:

Bureau of Land Management

Cross Bar Special Recreation Management Area

US Forest Service

Angelina National Forest

Davy Crockett National Forest

Sabine National Forest

National Park Service

Alibates Flint Quarries *National* Monument

Amistad *National* Recreation Area

Big Bend *National* Park

Big Thicket *National* Preserve

Blackwell School *National* Historic Site

Chamizal *National* Memorial

Fort Davis *National* Historic Site

Guadalupe Mountains *National* Park

Lake Meredith *National* Recreation Area

LBJ *National* Historic Park

Padre Island *National* Seashore

Palo Alto Battlefield *National* Park

San Antonio Missions *National* Historic Site

Waco Mammoth *National* Historic Park

Military bases

Dyess AFB

Fort Bliss

Fort Cavazos

Goodfellow AFB

Joint Base San Antonio, consisting of: Camp Bullis, Fort Sam Houston, Lackland AFB and Randolph AFB

Laughlin AFB

NAS Corpus Christi

NAS Joint Reserve Fort Worth

NAS Kingsville

Sheppard AFB

== == == ==

moonshinegnomie

(4,022 posts)
36. on a percentage basis teh feds only control 1.9% of texas
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 07:30 AM
Oct 2023

only 12 states have a lower percentage

and only 4 west of the mississippi

and very little of tha texas land is on the border
only big bend,chamizal and amistad

https://ballotpedia.org/Federal_land_ownership_by_state

struggle4progress

(126,159 posts)
16. "Do not mistreat the foreigners among you in your land but treat them as your native-born and
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 11:45 PM
Oct 2023

love them as you love yourselves, for you were once foreigners in Egypt, and I am the Lord" -- Leviticus 19

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
31. Now read on to Leviticus 25:44-46
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 04:46 AM
Oct 2023
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.


This is why it's not a good idea to quote the book to justify a position. Another, more horrifying, verse probably exists that negates it. And then some.
 
32. Accepting refuges and immigrants...
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 05:00 AM
Oct 2023

...is fundamental to Christianity here in America, from a historical point of view.

The goes back centuries.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
34. Unless they were black
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 05:16 AM
Oct 2023

And brought here by force.

An immigrant is an immigrant, regardless of how they came here.



 
35. Holy Wars were fought over these issues.
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 06:45 AM
Oct 2023

(No offense to us keyboard warriors.)

Unless they were black
And brought here by force.


Invisibles: Las Guerrillas del Patía

(Audio-generated closed captions in the language of your choice.)

struggle4progress

(126,159 posts)
17. "Do not neglect to offer hospitality to strangers, for by doing so
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 11:50 PM
Oct 2023

you may unknowingly nourish angels" -- Hebrews 13

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
33. Again, read the whole book
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 05:07 AM
Oct 2023

How's this for ways to treat a stranger:

Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Matthew 15:21-26

So apparently, it's all right to call a total stranger, a foreigner, a dog. To her face.
 
38. In the early 1700s, ...
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 07:39 AM
Oct 2023

...that became a major sticking point in negotiations between my wife's culture and the surrounding colonial culture (la cultura mayor).

"Do not neglect to offer hospitality to strangers, for by doing so you may unknowingly nourish angels" -- Hebrews 13


Her ancestors reached out to the church to secure a priest to do baptisms for their palenque, but kept the civil state at arm's length, even when offered a full pardon for all of their crimes (like running away from their masters, and cattle rustling, for example).

The sticking point in negotiations was apparently that the civil state wanted to take control of their ability to accept refuges.




(pages 104 - 106)

snip-------

Slaves also sought freedom extra-legally, and flight was typical across the Pacific lowlands. Some escaped slaves traveled as far as the cities while others formed maroon communities, or palenques, along the margins of the mining region. The most important palenque that was formed within the jurisdiction of Popayán was located east of the Pacific mines, in the Patía River Valley. This palenque was significant because it evolved into a town that, as we shall see in later chapters, was central to the royalist defense of Popayán during the wars of independence. Runaways settled in a place called "El Castigo," taking advantage of the frontier area around the Patía River Valley north of Pasto and east of Barbacoas, which was not colonized by the Spanish until the 1720s. By then, when exploration of the area and land titling began to take place, the palenque was populated mostly by renegade whites and runaway slaves from the mines of Barbacoas and Iscuandé and from the haciendas in the Cauca River Valley. During this period Spanish colonial officials unsuccessfully attempted to conquer or destroy this palenque.

Yet, as occured in the neighboring palenques of Esmeraldes and Baudó, and in other runaway communities in colonial contexts, the inhabitants of El Castigo sought the presense of representatives of the church in their territory. Between 1731 and 1732, they sent three messengers to the city of Pasto to request that a Priest visit Nachao and Nalgua, two towns they had established, each of which had built a church within its boundries. This request exposed their strategy of aligning their community with the Catholic precepts that were central to social and political life in Popayán.

The Quito Audiencia tried to take advantage of the maroons' interest in the church, attempting to co-opt the palenque into establishing civil government in the area in exchange for a pardon from the state. The runaway community resisted the audencia's attempt to include them within its juristiction (reducción) but succeeded in securing a permanent priest for their settlement. Morover, the Popayán municipal council conceeded their right to name two people from the palenque to "administer justice in the name of His Magisty to all the individuals who currently are congregated in those towns," with the condition that they not admit any more runaways to the community, detaining the fugitives and informing the Popayán authorities to their presence. Thus, the maroons of Patía not only used religion for the purpose of community building; they also seem to have preferred to establish a relationship with the church rather than with the civil authorities.

In the Hispanic context, the crown promoted a corporate organization of society, and thus collective rights could be secured to a greater extent than individual rights. This constituted an incentive for enslaved and free blacks to link their legal strategies to the colonial corporate logic. Indeed, the politics of freedom and community building among free people of African descent pivoted around the struggle to gain recognition, aquire political rights, and overcome racist assumptions of the larger society. During the eighteenth century, those goals coincided with the crown's interest in integrating the maroons into society - to "reduce" the community of runaways to legitimate towns - by negociating and extending certain concessions in exchage for their professed loyalty. The integration of free blacks in to civil life reminds us that maroon communities were forged within the colonial would and not outside it.

In Popayán, free and enslaved blacks of African origin and descent upheld justice through their underlying pattern of engagement with imperial legal institutions. This was visible in instances when, as in Patía, maroons negociated their conditions of integration into colonial society. Yet legal freedom was not the only goal of the enslaved. As we will see next, in the Pacific mining region, garnering greater rights within the institution of slavery may have been their most realistic goal.

snip-------


Indian and Slave Royalists in the Age of Revolution: Reform, Revolution, and Royalism in the Northern Andes, 1780–1825 (Cambridge Latin American Studies, Series Number 102)

by Marcela Echeverri


https://www.amazon.com/Indian-Slave-Royalists-Age-Revolution/dp/1107084148

moonshinegnomie

(4,022 posts)
18. id love to see new mexico do the following
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 12:02 AM
Oct 2023

1) revoke the authority of texas police to arrest people in new mexico
2) once that is done drive from new mexico to the razor wire and destroy it
3) if a texas cop tries to stop you flee back to new mexico whee the texas cops can no longer arrest you


not a damn thing abbott could do about it

Initech

(108,785 posts)
23. Greg Abbott is a sick, bloodthirsty psychopath!
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 12:52 AM
Oct 2023

Fuck him and the people who vote for him. Also, fuck Fox News for escalating the "border crisis" hysteria. May they all rot in the hottest of hells.

Skittles

(171,720 posts)
25. all Abbott and DeSantis do is perform for the sick cult
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 01:08 AM
Oct 2023

they do this while calling themselves "Christian"

Norbert

(7,767 posts)
29. So if you are in New Mexico and the governor of Texas is an asshole sociopath
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 04:42 AM
Oct 2023

Why would you want to go to Texas?

Buckeyeblue

(6,352 posts)
39. Texas likes to pretend to be a sovereign country
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 07:53 AM
Oct 2023

But how long would they really last as a nation? I guess the question is how long would they last before becoming a 3rd world nation?

MayReasonRule

(4,099 posts)
40. Abbot's A Fascist Fool - - Concertina Cutters Are Widely Available
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 08:04 AM
Oct 2023
May the bird of paradise fly up his nose...




GoCubsGo

(34,918 posts)
41. Well, if you didn't think he was a sociopath before this...
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 08:22 AM
Oct 2023

The guy is fucking sick in the head. And, so are the people who put him in office, and are letting him remain there.

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