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Beachnutt

(8,944 posts)
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 03:47 PM Oct 2023

Is Hamas the Palestinian Government ?

How did hamas become the leaders of the Palestinian people ?
Are the Palestinian people in support of hamas actions ?
Do the Palestinian people hate those who don't believe as they do ?

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Is Hamas the Palestinian Government ? (Original Post) Beachnutt Oct 2023 OP
Only of Gaza. Fatah governs the West Bank. NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #1
It's confusing to me, Beachnutt Oct 2023 #4
It's more "land" than "belief ". marybourg Oct 2023 #7
Alrighty... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2023 #2
One addition sarisataka Oct 2023 #8
Hamas has had pretty high approval ratings (on and off) Mosby Oct 2023 #11
Yes, I have read several sources sarisataka Oct 2023 #14
There Hasn't Been An Election T_A Oct 2023 #3
Yes. nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #5
They became the leaders... 2naSalit Oct 2023 #6
Israel supported Hamas to box out the PLO, and here we are. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #9
Exactly obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #10
Prove it. Mosby Oct 2023 #12
Hamas won the last election in 2006. Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #13

Beachnutt

(8,944 posts)
4. It's confusing to me,
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 03:57 PM
Oct 2023

The terrorist tactics have to be stopped.
I can't understand the hate of people who do not believe as you do, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
2. Alrighty...
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 03:53 PM
Oct 2023
How did hamas become the leaders of the Palestinian people ?


Nominally, they are not. The Palestinian Authority is the official government of the Palestinian territories.

Hamas has governed Gaza since taking over by force in 2007. The PA isn't able to reign in Hamas largely in because the PA is corrupt and ineffectual.


Are the Palestinian people in support of hamas actions ?


Yes and no. Hamas enjoys the support of a majority of Palestinians, but by no means is this support unanimous.


Do the Palestinian people hate those who don't believe as they do ?


Doesn't everyone?

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
8. One addition
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 04:11 PM
Oct 2023

The PA is the official government and Hamas won a clear majority in 2006. 58% if memory serves.

Being able to control the PA, they pushed their agenda of the elimination of Israel, no compromise. This caused a civil war between Hamas and Fatah. When the dust settled Hamas controlled Gaza and became the defacto government there. Fatah had the West Bank, claimed control of the PA.

Most countries recognized the PA as the legitimate government of Palestinians. Afghanistan, Algeria, Syria and Iran recognize Hamas or both

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
11. Hamas has had pretty high approval ratings (on and off)
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 04:22 PM
Oct 2023

And the likely reason for a lack of elections since the legislative election in 2006 is that Fatah is worried about the outcome. Abbas is 87 years old, and when he dies there is going to be a civil war among clans to determine who controls the PLO and the PA. This has already been occurring regionally in places like Hebron.

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
14. Yes, I have read several sources
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 04:35 PM
Oct 2023

That Fatah doesn't want elections because they fear Hamas will easily win. Fatah themselves may only be the 3rd or 4th party.

When Abbas dies, many Palestinians will suffer again at the hands of their own. I don't know what his health is like but I could see this timing of Hamas being to ensure they are at the top of the list of successors to power. It would also explain why they apparently did this without Iran's knowledge. They may have thought their "ally" might stab them in the back, putting their puppet into the power vacuum.

T_A

(604 posts)
3. There Hasn't Been An Election
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 03:56 PM
Oct 2023

since 2006, so nobody has any governmental authority over Gaza. Not to mention the illegal Israeli blockade, the illegal Military Occupation, and the illegal conversion of Gaza into the largest open-air prison on the planet.

Other than that...

2naSalit

(103,805 posts)
6. They became the leaders...
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 03:58 PM
Oct 2023

By providing structure after a major conflict. They provided public services and people were glad to have something and someone who "defended" them and helped them find a way to move forward. Many of those survivors were young and when disaster takes over, what comes behind to help is not always in your favor in the long run. An example might be, in theory, similar to post civil war carpet baggers... only far worse.

Much of the population is young, half children, the rest mostly under 30.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,227 posts)
9. Israel supported Hamas to box out the PLO, and here we are.
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 04:13 PM
Oct 2023

And by "support" I mean "eliminated other potential sources of left resistance," similar to how U.S. actions fostered the creation and success of Al Qaeda.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
13. Hamas won the last election in 2006.
Fri Oct 13, 2023, 04:26 PM
Oct 2023

Then there was a civil war that split the PA between Fatah in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza. There has not been an election since the 2006 disaster.

At least that is my recollection. I may have the details wrong.

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