So now they say US Intelligence knew about Hamas raid? They

[Laura PourMeADrink]

knew about 9-11, they knew about trump's insurrection?

I'd say they need a better critical escalation process. Warn and let people decide.

[NutmegYankee]

1. All the stories I read indicated they didn't know it would be this big.

It was assumed it would be their usual monthly rocket fest.

[msongs]

2. they? who is they? nt

[Progressive dog]

3. US intelligence did not know about any raid

The U.S. intelligence community did not know in advance that Hamas was planning a massive, coordinated attack against Israel on Oct. 7, despite streams of intelligence indicating that a general flareup in violence was possible, U.S. officials told McClatchy.

Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article280517164.html#storylink=cpy

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. Hmmm. So hard to know who to believe. Guess CNN got it

Wrong. I mean, we can research like you did, but does take full time effort to research everything huh

[Progressive dog]

10. Researching helps stop the spread of untruths.

That said, no one is going to research everything so many re-posts reflect biases rather than truth. Even the better news media consider it okay to twist the truth in their headlines.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. In this case it's interpretation IMHO.

[leftstreet]

4. Make you wonder where all this Intel apparatus is directed n/t

[emulatorloo]

7. No, Intelligence did not "know about the raid." See CNN story I posted above.

You can read the original DU post here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143144178

A snip:

One update from September 28 warned, based on multiple streams of intelligence, that the terror group Hamas was poised to escalate rocket-attacks across the border. An October 5 wire from the CIA warned generally of the increasing possibility of violence by Hamas. Then, on October 6, the day before the attack, US officials circulated reporting from Israel indicating unusual activity by Hamas — indications that are now clear: an attack was imminent.

None of the American assessments offered any tactical details or indications of the overwhelming scope, scale and sheer brutality of the operation that Hamas carried out on October 7, sources say.

See also progressive dog’s post from another source than CNN.

The U.S. intelligence community did not know in advance that Hamas was planning a massive, coordinated attack against Israel on Oct. 7, despite streams of intelligence indicating that a general flareup in violence was possible, U.S. officials told McClatchy.

Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article280517164.html#storylink=cpy

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. Exactly

[relayerbob]

5. Egypt told Israel, they ignored the warning

CIA warned W, he ignored the warning. Trump told everyone, but no one cared.

[emulatorloo]

6. Laura, that is not correct. They didn't 'know about the raid.' Here is the CNN story.

I am not sure where you heard that but it is not really correct.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143144178

Source: CNN

The US intelligence community produced at least two assessments based in part on intelligence provided by Israel warning the Biden administration of an increased risk for Palestinian-Israeli conflict in the weeks ahead of Saturday’s seismic attack on southern Israel, according to sources familiar with the intelligence.

One update from September 28 warned, based on multiple streams of intelligence, that the terror group Hamas was poised to escalate rocket-attacks across the border. An October 5 wire from the CIA warned generally of the increasing possibility of violence by Hamas. Then, on October 6, the day before the attack, US officials circulated reporting from Israel indicating unusual activity by Hamas — indications that are now clear: an attack was imminent.

None of the American assessments offered any tactical details or indications of the overwhelming scope, scale and sheer brutality of the operation that Hamas carried out on October 7, sources say. It is unclear if any of these US assessments were shared with Israel, which provides much of the intelligence that the US bases its reports on.

Israel, Gaza and the West Bank are also on a “hot spots” list included in intelligence briefings for senior officials almost daily, a person who receives the briefings said.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/13/politics/us-intelligence-warnings-potential-gaza-clash-days-before-attack/index.html

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. Ok read this twice. They knew something was gonna happen

but not the magnitude. Way I heard it and read it. Just like Condi saying they knew there'd be highjackings ( which they did nothing about) but not flying into a building. They knew there'd be violence on 1-6 but not storming of Capitol.

Seems we're splitting hairs. High time, at the very least, to look at the escalation processes.. IMHO

[leftyladyfrommo]

11. My brother who worked with airplanes all his life told me

that the flight school that trained the 9/11 terrorists tried to warn the FBI that those guys were there learning to fly but not how to land. I have no sources but it sounds logical.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. Exactly

[LiberaBlueDem]

12. We've heard this before

""Who knew this could happen.""

Denial is a new river in Israel. But really, the state failed to protect its citizens.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. Exactly

[William769]

14. Bullshit! NT

[JI7]

18. Who is they ?