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[Jedi Guy]

2. Looks to me like MSNBC is reading the room. N/T

[AntivaxHunters]

7. What room is that?

[Jedi Guy]

19. The room of people who aren't interested in watching talking heads play the "both sides" game.

At least not while Israel is engaged in military action to root out and destroy the scum who call themselves Hamas and bring home the hostages who were taken into Gaza.

[AntivaxHunters]

27. Oh so you don't want Palestinian deaths reported?

[Jedi Guy]

31. Straw man, since that's not what I said.

What I said was, not interested in talking heads playing the "both sides" game, as in saying that Israel is just as bad as Hamas or deserved to be attacked by Hamas. It's entirely possible to report on Palestinian deaths in Gaza without drawing the conclusion that Israel is as bad as Hamas.

[FirstLight]

61. This

You can report on the issue without being biased. ...and IMO "both-siderism" is baised

[Earth-shine]

82. Did any MSNBC anchor/host actually say "Israel is as bad as Hamas"?

[Maraya1969]

94. Israel treats the Palestineans terribly and have been doing so for years.

I'll never forget a show by Anthony Bourdain on the plight of Palitinians in Israel. I can't find the video but here is an excerpt from someone who was with him there.

"Anthony Bourdain’s visit to Palestine changed lives
Vivien Sansour The Electronic Intifada 22 June 2018
https://electronicintifada.net/content/anthony-bourdains-visit-palestine-changed-lives/24746

A mobile phone photo shows Vivien Sansour, Anthony Bourdain and Abdelfattah Abusrour during a break in filming a 2013 episode of “Parts Unknown,” at Aida refugee camp near Bethlehem.


Our cigarette smoke was mingling with the fumes coming out of cars lined up bumper to bumper trying to cross the Qalandiya checkpoint separating Ramallah from Jerusalem in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

We stood on the sidewalk watching the camera crew prep the grounds for our walk by the separation wall. “You know I can’t cross with you to the other side,” I said.

Without reply he set out, past a gallery of graffiti, toward the army tower, strolling unhindered alongside the giant wall.

Unlike many journalists and foreign visitors who had crossed my path while working as a field producer, Anthony Bourdain did not once put me or anyone I introduced him to in a position to “explain” our humanity.

A man of few words, he embodied what it means to “just be there” and be witness to someone’s painful experience without having to provide trivial sympathies or sprinkle salt on wounds still open.

This was our first encounter as he arrived in Palestine, where I accompanied him on a journey to tell the story of a largely “unknown” and misunderstood part of the world – my world.

The spark of our first lit cigarette was preceded by months of pitching and anticipation to get my food celebrity icon to Palestine for what I thought would be an episode about the wonders of our Mediterranean delicacies.

Camel meat, foraged greens, grape molasses and land snails were just some of the items I tried pitching in an attempt to lure his appetite.

Perhaps it was my lack of faith that anyone of his stature would ever consider telling the political stories behind the grape molasses and the confiscated lands where these foraged leaves grew that kept me pulling in the direction of the superficial “exotic food” angle.

I had underestimated, not his intelligence, but his empathy and serious integrity.

The next day, I had planned for Tony to cook mulukhiya, a traditional Palestinian dish that is made with a local variety of mallow leaves and chicken.

I wanted it to be the kind of food porn I thought he would enjoy. I prepped Islam, the woman we were visiting in Aida refugee camp in Bethlehem. I told her I was bringing an experienced chef and that all raw ingredients must be present so he could see the process from beginning to end.

Stressed, I ran around trying to find the mallow stems that were at the end of their season. I visited Islam three times before our arrival. I cooked the dish twice the week before. I reorganized Islam’s kitchen in great anticipation of our big cooking day together. I wanted it to be the perfect culinary experience.

But as we walked through the alleyways of Aida refugee camp, it became evident: Tony was not interested in food.

When the day finally came, I guided him triumphantly through the alleys of Aida camp toward his culinary experience. But the idol of cuisine surprised me.

His gaze was filled with images: of fallen young men painted on the walls of the camp, of the Israeli sniper military posts lurking above us, of the story of a population trapped inside a concrete jungle in their own homeland.

It was surreal. All five senses became confused among sounds of children kicking their ball, soldiers cocking their guns and Tony listening to my friend Abed describe his art, which he calls beautiful resistance. All this mingled with the aromas of food yet to be cooked and the sight of a confrontation between soldiers and young men that had just ended.

When we finally arrived at Islam’s kitchen, Tony showed little interest in our freshly chopped garlic, our newly pressed olive oil and our mulukhiya display. He wanted to talk politics.

Alas, Islam spoke little English at the time and knew nothing of Anthony Bourdain.

She offered cooking classes not to attract celebrities but to afford education for her disabled child. Nor did it occur to Tony to impress her with his celebrity. In her presence he was humble and engaging.

He ate the meal with gratitude and signed her guest book. She could not know that his signature would change her life and the life of her family forever.

After the episode of Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown in Palestine aired in 2013, Islam started receiving requests for cooking classes. Visitors from around the world came to the camp. She learned English. She expanded her kitchen into a cooking school to help children with special needs.

When I visited her a couple of years later she told me: “That day opened my life up to possibilities I could not have imagined. Our kids are getting the education and attention they need and we are overbooked all the time.” With a kind of mischievous smirk she continued, “Maybe we should build a guest house for food travelers.”

Ever the traveler, Tony loved adventure but, in the same moment, longed for his loved ones back home. Joking with kids in the street, he turned to me: “It’s my daughter who I miss when I travel.”

And just like that we connected for a moment. I was his witness the way he was mine at the checkpoint. In silence, I understood, as he did, that even eagles need a time to land.

In Arabic we say that hearts are the homes of secrets; some secrets love to torment us and some stay with us until we die. We also say that a life that gives is a life that never ends. That is small consolation to Islam and to me and to so many others who are forever touched and changed by Anthony Bourdain’s wild and daring life.

Tony, we send you love in your transition. You once confided, “I wish I didn’t have to leave all the time.” I hope your feet find their grounding in the other realm.

Vivien Sansour is the founder of the Palestine Heirloom Seed Library and the Traveling Kitchen Journey where she is working with farmers on bringing heritage varieties back to fields and dinner tables. She was Anthony Bourdain’s field coordinator and guide in Palestine for his CNN Emmy-winning show Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown.

[PortTack]

126. Yes 👍

[MorbidButterflyTat]

130. Anthony Bourdain

was an amazing man, and a hero.

[Jedi Guy]

136. I can see we're not going to agree, so...

I'll simply say that Anthony Bourdain was an awesome person and I was greatly saddened by his passing. My wife was a chef until the pandemic, and Bourdain was a rock star as far as she was concerned.

[lapucelle]

91. Maybe MSNBC didn't want an anchor amplifying Hamas talking points the day of the massacre.

----------------------------------------------------

Mohyeldin joined Ali Velshi on Saturday to discuss Israel’s declaration of war after a coordinated attack by Hamas militants that left hundreds dead and many others kidnapped.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-host-ayman-mohyeldin-calls-hamas-attack-the-deadly-consequence-of-failed-policies-by-israel/

[obamanut2012]

11. What room? To hate Muslims?

To discriminate againt American Muslims?

[Jedi Guy]

24. Who said anything about hating Muslims? Not I.

If MSNBC isn't interested in giving them airtime to voice their opinions or takes on the Hamas/Israel war, so be it. That's perfectly within MSNBC's right. It is, after all, their platform.

[obamanut2012]

12. What room? To hate Muslims?

To discriminate againt American Muslims?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

18. Break out the freedom fries!

[Jedi Guy]

25. Up here in Canada, we put gravy and cheese curds on ours.

I was a little skeptical at first, but I have to admit, it's good stuff.

[AntivaxHunters]

28. Poutine!

[4lbs]

36. In Mexican cuisine, chili cheese fries are a popular dish.

Yum!

Easy to turn regular fries into the chili cheese variety too.

Get some fries, put a can of chili on them, and sprinkle some cheese on it.

Heat up in the microwave. That's it.

I do it a lot. Takes like 5 minutes, after one gets the fries.

[JoseBalow]

54. Just like Abuela makes 'em!

[OAITW r.2.0]

3. Not a good look, MSNBC.

I have nothing but great respect for these people.

[ancianita]

33. Ditto!

[pazzyanne]

70. Same!!! nt

[MutantAndProud]

4. Censorship must end

It is not acceptable under any administration

[Fiendish Thingy]

5. Isn't Velshi reporting from Gaza?

Hard to be in an anchor’s chair when you’re in a war zone.

Also, all three are only in the anchor’s chair on weekends (or when others are on vacation), so I guess we won’t know for sure until Sunday…

[maxsolomon]

9. That was my immediate take, too.

Velshi was all over the 9 pm hour on MSNBC last night with a "shrapnel report".

[Fiendish Thingy]

15. Yup, this Semafor story stinks

They seem to be stirring shit up, when there’s no shot to stir.

[GuppyGal]

41. +1000

[rurallib]

47. Yep - this story reeks of bullshit

[JoseBalow]

55. He has been in Ashkelon, not in Gaza

[yorkster]

103. He's been in several places in Israel.

Ashkelon, Ashdod and Tel Aviv. Probably more.
I really hope this story isn't true. Velshi and Mohedin
have been excellent. Haven't seen Mehdi that recently, but he also is usually quite good.

[peggysue2]

56. Same thought

I've seen Velshi on the ground every night since this started. If the network is censoring him, they're doing a lousy job.

That being said, his reports have been good, hard-hitting. As usual.

[LiberalFighter]

80. I think some don't know what are the schedules.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

86. Yes, this is a bullshit article.

[2naSalit]

116. Ayman...

Was just on Alex's show and has been making the rounds as a guest on a lot of shows because he lived and reported from Gaza for two years and has some insight to share.

Since others are in Philadelphia doing road shows and book promos, the others are in double mode where they take two hour slots since they are reporting on and ongoing situation. MSNBC has done this before. I bet they have a great job share program for their employees so they can have lives outside the studio.

[Ocelot II]

6. What? I've seen all three of them a number of times since the attack.

Is Krystal Ball a reliable source? She was really dragging Hillary before the 2016 election and has been a frequent guest on Joe Rogan's show, so...

Not to mention that she's still bashing Biden, and she claims she was sacked from MSNBC for criticizing Hillary. I wouldn't take this "report" very seriously.

[AntivaxHunters]

21. Yes she is & for backup

I trust all4 if these journalists as well.

[herding cats]

71. It's fake, bogus, bunk and and debunked as such multiple times in your thread.

Pick better sources. Twitter is full of complete bullshit anymore. I only trust people I've had in lists for years and know to be legitimate, trustworthy and not flat out propagandist liars.

[Fiendish Thingy]

89. Except it doesn't appear to be true

Numerous posters have confirmed these reporters are still on the air, uncensored, yet you continue to post apparent misinformation.

[lapucelle]

95. One of them amplified Hamas talking points the day of the massacre.

[Lovie777]

8. Where are real journalist, they are there, and sometimes human survival works.....

[AntiFascist]

10. CNN doesn't seem to have a problem n/t

[Raven123]

13. I'll believe it when I hear it from the individuals themselves

[AntivaxHunters]

22. You may not due to contracts & NDA's

Legal bullshit seems to prevent such things often

[herding cats]

46. Ali Velshi is on the ground in Israel reporting his butt off.

It's bunk.

[JoseBalow]

58. Ali Velshi, the hardest working man on cable news

Suck it, Kornacki!

[herding cats]

60. Right?

He's literally everywhere, all the time!

I'm suspicious MSNBC cloned him a couple of years ago.

[dem4decades]

72. I agree

[PCIntern]

14. Much as I respect Ayman's intellect,

I recall his early work promoting instances of terrorism as freedom fighting, including Tel Aviv cafe bombing post-Shabbat. I understand his viewpoint but don’t particularly appreciate his identification with aggressors against civilians.

Now of course he’s concerned about the civilians in Gaza, what a surprise. It’s different. It’s not Jews dying.

[lapucelle]

102. Ayman amplified Hamas talking points the day of the massacre.

MSNBC Host Ayman Mohyeldin Calls Hamas Attack ‘The Deadly Consequence of Failed Policies’ By Israel

Ken Meyer
Oct 8th, 2023, 10:32 am

MSNBC host Ayman Mohyeldin argued Israeli government policy regarding the Gaza Strip was the root cause behind Hamas’ devastating attack against civilians in the country.

Mohyeldin joined Ali Velshi on Saturday to discuss Israel’s declaration of war after a coordinated attack by Hamas militants that left hundreds dead and many others kidnapped. As he spoke about Israel’s campaigns against Hamas in the past, Mohyeldin argued that the breakout of new conflict in the Gaza Strip will necessitate new conversations about how Israel will achieve its security objectives and peace with the Palestinians.

Mohyeldin said, “It would be very naive to just simply say every Palestinian agrees with what Hamas is doing,” and added:

But Hamas is saying, well, if nobody is able to defend what is happening for Palestinians in the West Bank or east Jerusalem with the home demolitions, the arrests, the children being killed, the desecration of holy sites. If they’re unable to do that then we only have the ability to do it with military might and crude weapons and military.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-host-ayman-mohyeldin-calls-hamas-attack-the-deadly-consequence-of-failed-policies-by-israel/

[PCIntern]

108. Wonderful...

🙄

[lapucelle]

114. However, he was just on MSNBC, so I it appears that allegations of MSNBC "censorship"

of Moslem voices is just another agenda-driven bullshit story line.

[PCIntern]

122. They are out in force.

Israel doesn’t give a shit this time

[mcar]

16. This is BS

Krystal Ball? Seriously?

Velshi is on the ground in Israel as I type this and is reporting regularly. I don't know about the other 2, since I don't watch TV 24/7. But, since I know the Velshi claim is BS, I presume the others are too.

[BlueIdaho]

74. Ditto.

I could not agree more. Since when do we promote clips from Chrystal Ball?

[BlueCheeseAgain]

17. Definitely not trusting anything from Krystal Ball.

We'll see if these journalists appear on air in the near future.

[AntivaxHunters]

29. Ok how about ...

[BlueCheeseAgain]

34. They all cite the same article, in which MSNBC denies the allegations.

So we'll see. Have any of the three themselves said anything?

[Fiendish Thingy]

90. Why do you continue spreading misinformation?

Posters have confirmed these reporters are still on the air, uncensored.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

131. +1

A sense a pattern.

[AntivaxHunters]

135. I also posted other journalists too

So naturally of course it looks legit to me

[moondust]

20. Find out tomorrow.

They all have their own weekend shows.

[msongs]

23. everything on X is true don't ya know nt

[AntivaxHunters]

32. I'm wise enough to know when it's real

[W_HAMILTON]

57. Apparently not, because if you had been watching MSNBC...

...you would see that Ali Velshi is doing reports from Israel damn near every hour and Hasan/Ayman have weekend shows and the only times they are on during the weekdays are when they are filling in for other anchors.

[AntivaxHunters]

63. Read the article

[W_HAMILTON]

78. I'm not giving that crap any clicks -- watch MSNBC like I have.

You'll see Velshi on plenty.

[LiberalFighter]

83. Why? When we see with our own eyes what is happening on MSNBC.

Not going to trust something from a whack on social media claiming otherwise.

[Bev54]

84. So believe this article or believe my lying eyes as we watch him give his reporting from

the region? There is not even a question which one I will believe.

[herding cats]

106. Ayman is on MSNBC as I type this. 😂

I'm laughing my butt off here.

[milestogo]

26. If MSNBC is anti-Muslim journalists, I'm done with MSNBC.

[Progressive dog]

30. Sounds like someone has an ax to grind.

I'll believe this when I hear it from the Muslim broadcasters or MSNBC.

[Faux pas]

35. Kickin' with Disgust

bibi is the middle eastern version of pooti poot

[Srkdqltr]

37. Who are these people? Are they real? Are they AI?

[BlueCheeseAgain]

38. Hasan is still posting on Twitter...

So he's not that silenced.

[Srkdqltr]

39. Is this a way to sew discord? Look before you yell?

[herding cats]

40. Ali Velshi has been reporting from on the ground in Israel.

His Twitter feed is full of his reporting from there.

Link to tweet

[redqueen]

81. He hasn't tweeted at all today but he did so multiple times per day

Every day since this started. That does seem odd to me

[herding cats]

88. He's in Ashkelon last I knew. They've been dealing with red alerts and missile attacks from Hamas.

He often does dumps of articles close together. I assume when he has some downtime. He'll be back.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[milestogo]

42. I don't see their names on the MSNBC news website.

Sorry, but Katie Phang and Jonathan Capehart aren't the same quality for foreign news. If this is true, it makes me sick.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

50. I see them.

Here's Velshi, for example. https://www.msnbc.com/velshi

[milestogo]

53. Thank you.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

43. Here's censored Ali Velshi...

On a video uploaded by MSNBC to YouTube a day ago.

[herding cats]

49. Yep.

The other two are weekend hosts. They'll show up tomorrow night and Sunday night for their shows.

This is bunk.

[W_HAMILTON]

44. Sounds like someone trying to start shit for no reason.

Ali Velshi isn't in the "anchor's chair" because he's over there fucking reporting everything live. They certainly haven't been hiding him. I watched him earlier today give a report on how destructive mortars can be, because whatever they hit basically cause shrapnel that acts like bullets.

As for Ayman and Hasan, they usually aren't on during the weekdays anyway unless they are filling in for someone. They have weekend shows.

[herding cats]

45. Mehdi Hasan, & Ayman Mohyeldin are both weekend hosts.

As I said above Ali Velshi reporting his butt off, as usual.

Seems a bit hyperbolic drama by the person on Twitter making this claim?

[sarisataka]

48. Interesting paragraph

The moves come as MSNBC — like the Democratic Party with which it’s often aligned — has swung into intense solidarity with the Jewish state after the murderous Hamas attacks. That shift has come with heated internal and external objections to anything that breaks with that solidarity, and has come with social media criticism of Hasan, Mohyeldin, and Velshi. Hasan has also been vocal on X, formerly known as Twitter, condemning the Hamas attack and calling attention to the plight of civilians in Gaza.

They managed to work in a slam against the Democratic Party

[BlueCheeseAgain]

52. Yeah, that paragraph reeked as well.

I think the certitude exhibited in OP's title is not warranted as of yet.

[Tarc]

51. Lol, an opinion from Breaking Points?

Ok.

[redqueen]

59. Ali Velahi hasn't tweeted since yesterday

🤔

[W_HAMILTON]

62. Maybe because he's too busy reporting from a war zone?

I saw him on TV earlier this morning reporting on mortar attacks and pointing out the damage that was being done from the resulting shrapnel.

Do you watch MSNBC?

[redqueen]

66. He's been active on twitter daily since this started

So this seems unusual

[W_HAMILTON]

68. He was *literally* on MSNBC earlier today.

Is the conspiracy theory now going to be that MSNBC is censoring Ali's personal Twitter account? Even while having him broadcast live on their network as recently as a few hours ago? Is that what we're going with?

[redqueen]

75. My posts are clear statements. nt

[Ialwaysvote]

64. All 3 have been on air on MSBC this week

&ab_channel=MSNBC

&ab_channel=MSNBC

[mysteryowl]

65. YouTube most recent post of Mehdi Hasan was 4 days ago. He is talking about Gaza.

I think what he is saying about Gaza is accurate and informed. Truthful.

[W_HAMILTON]

73. Mehdi Hasan's TV show is on Sundays...

Does anyone very concerned about this actually watch MSNBC?

[mysteryowl]

77. He was being interviewed by someone. It was not during his show.

[Yoyoyo77]

129. His is a weekend show!

[Torchlight]

69. Sounds serious.

Again, good luck!

[W_HAMILTON]

76. LOL, I should have just gone with that...

...rather than genuinely asking if people actually watch MSNBC, because they are up in arms about people not being on the air that are normally not on the air at this time anyway. And one of the ones that are supposedly censored is doing live reports from the war zone like, literally, every damn hour.

[LiberalFighter]

79. If that is the case then why is Ali Velshi reporting from Israel?

[Rhiannon12866]

85. MSNBC's Ali Velshi is now reporting from the front lines.

And he is not one to cease speaking out on the issues - his show includes authors of "banned books" every week.

[moniss]

112. As always thank you so much for reminding

people about his book segments on the weekend. A very brave thing for him to do and very needed. Another fellow I have greatly appreciated over the years is Mike Feder from NYC. He has been many things in his life including radio host at WBAI, station management and also had a weekend show on satellite radio. Mike was much like Ali Velshi in that he had an incredible ability to seek out extremely interesting authors and books on a tremendously wide range of topics. His interviews were incredibly adept and drew the guest and callers into thoughtful discussions. Mike had kept up an online presence until recently and I need to check in to see if he is OK. Mike lead me years ago to a great site called Mr. Beller's Neighborhood. A site where one can submit stories about the "things" in life and observations of same along the way. I had really nice correspondence over the years with Mike and relayed several "stories" to him about things we discussed. I was very appreciative of Mike taking one of my stories for retelling on his site. I never had the feeling before that time that any of my stories were actually liked by anybody except the four walls where they're written. Here is a link to Mr. Beller's Neighborhood and a short Mike Feder story. There are more of course and plenty of other "storytellers" also.

https://mrbellersneighborhood.com/2023/08/going-up

[Rhiannon12866]

115. Thank you so much! I always watch and post Velshi's "Banned Book Club!"

And this is an author who should be included! I looked for it last weekend since he mentioned the authors he'd be interviewing on his weekend show when he subbed for Lawrence O'Donnell on Friday. But it turns out that he'd been deployed to report from the front lines in Israel! I've often thought that he deserved an award for his reports from the Ukraine border at the start of that war. This is one reporter who is brave enough to take on the tough assignments and isn't afraid to speak out...

[FakeNoose]

87. Has anyone considered that perhaps Ali Velshi ASKED to be taken off the regular list?

Maybe - and I'm just spitballin' here - maybe he received nasty threats and crap on emails and Xweets. Maybe Hasan and Mohyeldin did too. Maybe they feel like sitting ducks on MSNBC's list of regular hosts.

It doesn't mean they've lost their jobs, and it doesn't mean they've been taken out of rotation. Maybe the network took their names off the masthead for the time being - to protect them.

I want to think the best of MSNBC until I hear otherwise.

[Hekate]

93. What I see is that MSNBC has "quietly" taken Ali Velshi and put him in the "war correspondent" slot

That is an important position that he has often filled for them in Ukraine. They are in the habit of moving their people around, and I’ve seen nothing nefarious in that over the years I’ve watched in the times I’ve watched — which is not 24/7, since I am just one person and not “a consortium of thirty doctor’s” (sic) .

I have to admit, though, that I can’t swear 100% where all of the people you mentioned are right at this moment, because I have been avoiding cable news as much as possible this week, just as I have been avoiding a lot of DU. The reasons are intensely personal.

How about you? What is Semafor and what do they bring to the DU table?

[LiberalFighter]

96. Gee! Ayman Mohyeldin is on Alex Wagner right now. In person. nt

[elleng]

97. *Ayman interview NOW, with Alex Wagner.

[ancianita]

99. Watching!

And he's talking about the tactics of Hamas!
He says that IDF has destroyed Hamas' capabilities -- tunnels, headquarters, leadership -- but Hamas itself won't be fully destroyed.

Because Hamas keeps a cell structure at unit levels that even kept Mossad and world intel not knowing where they kept a hostage for FIVE years, because Hamas own leadership people don't know what these cells are doing.

He says that guerilla warfare in urban settings favors the guerillas, e.g., Fallujah.

Wagner thanks Ayman for being a "valuable resource," and "we need you to stay with us" in the next segments.

Go, Ayman! Go, Alex!

Krystal Ball can take her disinformation and shove it.

[LiberalFighter]

101. And I usually don't watch MSNBC at this time slot.

[LiberalFighter]

100. Yep! Amazing isn't it? A media "source" claims there is a problem.

[XanaDUer2]

98. Ayman on now. Nt

[radical noodle]

104. Ayman is on msnbc right now.

9:15 pm eastern time.

[Celerity]

105. I would pull this OP, it is not bourne out by facts on the ground, and Krystal Ball is also sus

[herding cats]

110. I disagree.

They know it's been debunked and chose to leave it up. Even argued the validity of it beyond the debunking.

I bookmarked it as example of the need to vet our sources before we post and to double check anything which seems too sensational before we go blindly tossing out recs and agreeing blindly.

[ancianita]

111. Exactly. Thinking-out-loud, give & take proofs threads are needed in the Information War we're in.

[herding cats]

117. Thank you.

I took screenshots incase this vanishes, but it's an excellent lesson of who not to assume is on your side. We need to be smarter than this type of propaganda.

[ancianita]

121. Oh, thank YOU and everyone here who kept their radar out and challenged the factual basis of the OP.

It's not enough to just "Support Democrats."

We have to face that we're in an Information War. That Democrats here have to commit to the Truth about reality. That Democrats here are strong and supportive enough of each other and our party to sort things out here.

This war is fluid and when truth is the first casualty of war, it ripples out into our media.

This thread was a variation on what group brainstorming can be against disinformation narratives. It was a good back & forth kind of thread we could use more often, to sharpen our bullshit detectors.

[herding cats]

132. Yes. Collectively, we're able to overcome disinformation and bogus accounts.

I believe this to my core. We just have to step back and take a moment to view things logically, and introduce facts. Which means viewing what these random strangers, who want us to believe they align with us, say on the internet with a jaundiced eye. We all need to develop trust issues in regards to strangers trying to lure us in on the internet.

We can do this. Watching people here today I know we can.

[Celerity]

113. I am a straight shooter (well, truly aspire to be) as well as a debunker & it would be hypocritical

for me to not call for the pulling of something I find to be disproven on balance.

I do it all the time, and I see not reason to stop now.

I have, on a few (thankfully not that many, as I try to really vet things I put my name to) occasions posted things myself and then pulled them after seeing other information, whether via my own further reading, or via other posters pointing out errors.

[herding cats]

120. Oh, I'm not doubting your sincerity.

I do hope I didn't leave that impression? It definitely wasn't my intention.

I think moments like this are opportunities for those of us here in good faith to be better members and learn. Disinformation is a true issue we all need to be vigilant about. It's just becoming more complicated than it used to be now.

[AntivaxHunters]

134. I've not read everything & am just now.

I'm not here 24/7 lol

[obnoxiousdrunk]

107. krystal ball

Sure thing.

[Hekate]

119. Very concerned, very very concerned. And debunked repeatedly.

I am encouraged, however, by the number of DUers who are speaking up on behalf of fact-based posts here.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

109. Oh no..! Absolutely ridiculous and one sided

[BlueCheeseAgain]

118. Jeet Heer should be ashamed of himself.

He called it "ethnic cleansing" at MSNBC. On a shaky claim, he uses a term talking about genocide.

[PortTack]

123. Terrible!! Why I don't watch..not even them!

[Bucky]

124. I'll keep watching to see just how reliable this tweet is

I can't believe I just wrote that sentence

[AverageOldGuy]

125. The source of this report is Krystal Ball . . . don't believe a word from her

I would not believe a word from Krystal Ball with Jesus Christ standing beside her, vouching for her.

I live in Virginia's First Congressional District where we are represented by do-nothing Rob Wittman, Rep., VA-01. He was one of the 147 Republicans who signed the resolution challenging the 2020 election.

Back a few years ago a retired Army colonel decided to run against Wittman. This guy knew he would need to run at least twice to have a chance against Wittman. He started out on a shoestring, spent a lot of time visiting veterans' organizations throughout the district. Meanwhile, Krystal Ball showed up with a lot of money coming in from out of state. She was 20-something, had a ??-months old baby she carried around with her to every event. The District Democratic Committee swooned over her, dumped the retired colonel, and nominated her.

She was a joke. Literally. When people saw her name, they asked "Is that REALLY her name?" She lost by the worst margin of any Democrat who challenged Wittman. She shows up from time to time on MSNC. I turn off the sound. She's an airhead.

[AntivaxHunters]

137. She is not the source

[LexVegas]

127. Humiliated.

[revmclaren]

128. As I stated in another thread that debunks this one.....

Krystal Ball...past darling of the now rightfully defunked
Jackpine Radicals. Always stirring shit and pushing the most insane ideas and conspiracy theories.

Information on them can be obtained by Google search.

I truly wonder where many of them scurried off to.

Hmmmm...

[AntivaxHunters]

138. Ok then how about...

[revmclaren]

133. Bookmarking.....