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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSen. Joe Manchin considers independent 2024 run, warns party system could be nation's 'downfall'
https://apnews.com/article/joe-manchin-west-virginia-independent-no-labels-1622326ec6890c5e33dbd30327d51f85
By LEAH WILLINGHAM
Updated 11:10 PM CDT, October 13, 2023
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia has benefited from waiting to reveal where he stands as the swing vote in a chamber closely divided between Democrats and Republicans.
Hes taken the same approach when it comes to the next phase of his political career: The moderate Democrat has teased possible retirement, a run for reelection to the Senate or even a presidential campaign in 2024 possibly as an independent candidate.
During a multi-day trip to West Virginias capital this week, the 76-year-old expressed growing frustration with the polarized U.S. two-party system.
Im having a hard time I really am, he said while touring a Charleston metal stamping plant. The two-party system, unless it changes, will be the downfall of our country.
FULL story at link above.
hlthe2b
(114,625 posts)I really don't see Dems doing so. And how is running as an independent doing anything for him?
doc03
(39,159 posts)just retire and enjoy all the money they have and just shut the fuck up.
bucolic_frolic
(55,765 posts)we can do it
(13,036 posts)emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)leftstreet
(41,243 posts)They're also campaigning on the same dissatisfaction with a two party system
Sneederbunk
(17,623 posts)Freethinker65
(11,203 posts)NONE
brush
(61,033 posts)you're just not as visible as Sinema, or on the House side, Gaetz, MTG, Jordan and the like.
STFU.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)third party arent looking for that candidate to win, but be a spoiler, and frankly they are stupid
ms liberty
(11,358 posts)Fixed it for ya.
617Blue
(2,526 posts)Celerity
(54,837 posts)He is by far the biggest self-dealer Dem in all of Congress.
He has used government at most all levels for ages to enrich himself and his family to the tune of tens of millions of dollars.
Here is an article from Democratic (and hardly a fire breathing prog) House member Sean Casten's (IL-6) own official House government website:
Manchin's Coal Corruption Is So Much Worse Than You Knew
https://casten.house.gov/media/in-the-news/manchins-coal-corruption-so-much-worse-you-knew

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The truth is, Manchin is best understood as a grifter from the ancestral home of King Coal. He is a man with coal dust in his veins who has used his political skills to enrich himself, not the people of his state. He drives an Italian-made Maserati, lives on a houseboat on the Potomac River when he is in D.C., pals around with corporate CEOs, and has a net worth of as much as $12 million. More to the point, his wealth has been accumulated through controversial coal-related businesses in his home state, including using his political muscle to keep open the dirtiest coal plant in West Virginia, which paid him nearly $5 million over the past decade in fees for coal handling, as well as costing West Virginia electricity consumers tens of millions of dollars in higher electricity rates (more about the details of this in a moment). Virginia Canter, who was ethics counsel to Presidents Obama and Clinton, unabashedly calls Manchin's business operations "a grift." To Canter, Manchin's corruption is even more offensive than Donald Trump's. "With Trump, the corruption was discretionary you could choose to pay thousands of dollars to host an event at Mar-a-Lago or not," Canter tells me. In contrast, Manchin is effectively taking money right out of the pockets of West Virginians when they pay their electric bills. They have no say in it. "It's one of the most egregious conflicts of interest I've ever seen."
Manchin's grift is emblematic of generations of political leadership in West Virginia. I'm always struck by the difference between coal country and the rest of the state. Unmined places like New River Gorge (now a national park) hint at the spectacular beauty of West Virginia before the coal barons arrived; up in Morgantown, you see a thriving city that is not entirely built with money from mining and burning black rocks. But much of the state is a landscape of corporate exploitation, a place that has been pillaged by outsiders who have sucked out its gas and mined its coal and built mansions in Newport, Rhode Island, and the Hamptons, but left little behind beyond black lung and broken labor unions. The people I have met in coal country in my many visits over the years are tougher than the blade of a bulldozer, smart, self-reliant, deeply connected to the natural world. But the poverty and quiet distress is heartbreaking. If fossil fuels brought prosperity to a place, West Virginians would be dancing on gold-paved streets.
Instead, West Virginia is the second-poorest state by median income, and near the bottom of virtually every social indicator of well-being, from obesity to opioid addiction to education. The few well-paying coal jobs that are left are disappearing fast. In 1950, there were 120,000 coal workers in the state; today there are only around 13,000 workers, less than two percent of the state's workforce. Despite the relentless hardship, Manchin figured out a way to do pretty well for himself. "Joe Manchin will absolutely throw humanity under the coal train without blinking an eye," says Maria Gunnoe, director of the Mother Jones Community Foundation and a longtime West Virginia activist. "My friends and I have a joke about his kind: They'd mine their momma's grave for a buck."
So it was no surprise to Gunnoe that during an appearance on Fox News a week before Christmas, Manchin knifed President Biden's first-term agenda by announcing that he could not support the $1.8 trillion Build Back Better Act: "I have tried everything I know to do" to support this, he told Fox host Bret Baier. Never mind that the bill includes billions of dollars in programs that would help West Virginians struggling with poverty and hardship, or that without the tax breaks and other clean-energy measures in the bill, Biden's goal of cutting U.S. greenhouse-gas emissions in half from 2005 levels would be all but impossible to achieve. And without U.S. leadership on climate, the chances that the nations of the world will reduce emissions fast enough to hold warming at 1.5 C, which is the threshold for dangerous climate change, is virtually zero. "If Build Back Better goes down," says John Podesta, a Democratic powerbroker and former special adviser to President Obama who has been deeply involved in international climate negotiations, "then we are completely fucked."
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BootinUp
(51,620 posts)AnnaLee
(1,405 posts)milking some support dollars off businesses and the public. (Needs some dollars to set up his retirement mansion among the dirt poor in his State.)
FalloutShelter
(14,608 posts)Does he make a sound?
Just asking.
Zambero
(10,028 posts)Visually, quite Sinematic albeit without the loud colors. Predictable boring stuff.
FalloutShelter
(14,608 posts)Rebl2
(17,919 posts)already manchin. Didnt realize he was 76.
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)He's still got a D by his name, last I checked, so I'm going to err on the side of caution.
Vinca
(54,314 posts)FakeNoose
(42,362 posts)I'm pretty sure we're better off with Joe Manchin as an Independent, and still in the Senate.
If Manchin loses his seat, it's a sure thing that the winner would be NO HELP to the Dems at all.
Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)Hes not much of a help legislatively but he (usually) votes to confirm Bidens judges, which is crucial for our future.
Uncle Joe
(65,493 posts)will decrease his personal power.
Thanks for the thread Omaha Steve
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)The party won't be the downfall of the nation. If he persists it will be all on him.
Takket
(23,795 posts)no way in hell a Democrat will vote for a DINO........
so yeah, sounds like a great idea Joe. Go for it.
bigtree
(94,649 posts)...he should just do it and quit boring everybody with it.