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Omaha Steve

(109,903 posts)
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 03:24 PM Oct 2023

Sen. Joe Manchin considers independent 2024 run, warns party system could be nation's 'downfall'


https://apnews.com/article/joe-manchin-west-virginia-independent-no-labels-1622326ec6890c5e33dbd30327d51f85

By LEAH WILLINGHAM
Updated 11:10 PM CDT, October 13, 2023

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia has benefited from waiting to reveal where he stands as the swing vote in a chamber closely divided between Democrats and Republicans.

He’s taken the same approach when it comes to the next phase of his political career: The moderate Democrat has teased possible retirement, a run for reelection to the Senate or even a presidential campaign in 2024 — possibly as an independent candidate.

During a multi-day trip to West Virginia’s capital this week, the 76-year-old expressed growing frustration with the polarized U.S. two-party system.

“I’m having a hard time — I really am,” he said while touring a Charleston metal stamping plant. “The two-party system, unless it changes, will be the downfall of our country.”

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Sen. Joe Manchin considers independent 2024 run, warns party system could be nation's 'downfall' (Original Post) Omaha Steve Oct 2023 OP
He's not going to win reelection, but I have to ask... would anyone vote for him for President? hlthe2b Oct 2023 #1
If he would prevent Biden's reelection he would be a hero in West Virginia. Why don't these people doc03 Oct 2023 #15
So this is one of Mitt's two Democratic picks? bucolic_frolic Oct 2023 #2
Well Joe, we'd need to get rid of the Electoral College for that to be helpful. we can do it Oct 2023 #3
Just retire already, or at least sit down and shut up. emulatorloo Oct 2023 #4
He should team up with RFKjr or Cornel West leftstreet Oct 2023 #5
No, it's your downfall. Sneederbunk Oct 2023 #6
One hopes once this guy loses his Senate seat, the media will give him the attention he deserves- Freethinker65 Oct 2023 #7
Fu_k you, Manchin. You've contributed more to governmental disfunction than any other Senator... brush Oct 2023 #8
No one is paying attention to you Joe, so obviously you need to get attention. Anyone who votes JohnSJ Oct 2023 #9
"Sen Joe Manchin shouts "I'm important! Pay attention to me" ms liberty Oct 2023 #10
👆👆👆 Rebl2 Oct 2023 #17
He never makes any sense. 617Blue Oct 2023 #11
He does if you follow the money. It makes perfect 'cents' then. Celerity Oct 2023 #26
Manchin doesn't know fascist from shinola. Nt BootinUp Oct 2023 #12
Just seeing if he too can get richer by AnnaLee Oct 2023 #13
If Joe Manchin falls in the forest... FalloutShelter Oct 2023 #14
No sound whatsoever Zambero Oct 2023 #25
Yep! FalloutShelter Oct 2023 #27
Just retire Rebl2 Oct 2023 #16
Are we allowed to say bad stuff about this... person? Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #18
I'm not. If the nation falls, as he suggests, it will be because of people like him. Vinca Oct 2023 #19
He could retire, but then a Repuke would win his seat FakeNoose Oct 2023 #20
Yes, we'd be better off with Manchin in the seat. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #24
Manchin is worried that too great of a Democratic victory at all levels of government Uncle Joe Oct 2023 #21
He doesn't care about doing the right thing. LiberalFighter Oct 2023 #22
let's see... no way in hell a rethug will vote for a Democrat..... Takket Oct 2023 #23
more like his downfall bigtree Oct 2023 #28

hlthe2b

(114,625 posts)
1. He's not going to win reelection, but I have to ask... would anyone vote for him for President?
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 03:27 PM
Oct 2023

I really don't see Dems doing so. And how is running as an independent doing anything for him?

doc03

(39,159 posts)
15. If he would prevent Biden's reelection he would be a hero in West Virginia. Why don't these people
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 04:57 PM
Oct 2023

just retire and enjoy all the money they have and just shut the fuck up.

leftstreet

(41,243 posts)
5. He should team up with RFKjr or Cornel West
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 03:33 PM
Oct 2023

They're also campaigning on the same dissatisfaction with a two party system

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
7. One hopes once this guy loses his Senate seat, the media will give him the attention he deserves-
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 03:37 PM
Oct 2023

NONE

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
8. Fu_k you, Manchin. You've contributed more to governmental disfunction than any other Senator...
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 03:46 PM
Oct 2023

you're just not as visible as Sinema, or on the House side, Gaetz, MTG, Jordan and the like.

STFU.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
9. No one is paying attention to you Joe, so obviously you need to get attention. Anyone who votes
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 03:56 PM
Oct 2023

third party aren’t looking for that candidate to win, but be a spoiler, and frankly they are stupid

Celerity

(54,837 posts)
26. He does if you follow the money. It makes perfect 'cents' then.
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 05:52 PM
Oct 2023

He is by far the biggest self-dealer Dem in all of Congress.

He has used government at most all levels for ages to enrich himself and his family to the tune of tens of millions of dollars.

Here is an article from Democratic (and hardly a fire breathing prog) House member Sean Casten's (IL-6) own official House government website:

Manchin's Coal Corruption Is So Much Worse Than You Knew

https://casten.house.gov/media/in-the-news/manchins-coal-corruption-so-much-worse-you-knew



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The truth is, Manchin is best understood as a grifter from the ancestral home of King Coal. He is a man with coal dust in his veins who has used his political skills to enrich himself, not the people of his state. He drives an Italian-made Maserati, lives on a houseboat on the Potomac River when he is in D.C., pals around with corporate CEOs, and has a net worth of as much as $12 million. More to the point, his wealth has been accumulated through controversial coal-related businesses in his home state, including using his political muscle to keep open the dirtiest coal plant in West Virginia, which paid him nearly $5 million over the past decade in fees for coal handling, as well as costing West Virginia electricity consumers tens of millions of dollars in higher electricity rates (more about the details of this in a moment). Virginia Canter, who was ethics counsel to Presidents Obama and Clinton, unabashedly calls Manchin's business operations "a grift." To Canter, Manchin's corruption is even more offensive than Donald Trump's. "With Trump, the corruption was discretionary — you could choose to pay thousands of dollars to host an event at Mar-a-Lago or not," Canter tells me. In contrast, Manchin is effectively taking money right out of the pockets of West Virginians when they pay their electric bills. They have no say in it. "It's one of the most egregious conflicts of interest I've ever seen."

Manchin's grift is emblematic of generations of political leadership in West Virginia. I'm always struck by the difference between coal country and the rest of the state. Unmined places like New River Gorge (now a national park) hint at the spectacular beauty of West Virginia before the coal barons arrived; up in Morgantown, you see a thriving city that is not entirely built with money from mining and burning black rocks. But much of the state is a landscape of corporate exploitation, a place that has been pillaged by outsiders who have sucked out its gas and mined its coal and built mansions in Newport, Rhode Island, and the Hamptons, but left little behind beyond black lung and broken labor unions. The people I have met in coal country in my many visits over the years are tougher than the blade of a bulldozer, smart, self-reliant, deeply connected to the natural world. But the poverty and quiet distress is heartbreaking. If fossil fuels brought prosperity to a place, West Virginians would be dancing on gold-paved streets.

Instead, West Virginia is the second-poorest state by median income, and near the bottom of virtually every social indicator of well-being, from obesity to opioid addiction to education. The few well-paying coal jobs that are left are disappearing fast. In 1950, there were 120,000 coal workers in the state; today there are only around 13,000 workers, less than two percent of the state's workforce. Despite the relentless hardship, Manchin figured out a way to do pretty well for himself. "Joe Manchin will absolutely throw humanity under the coal train without blinking an eye," says Maria Gunnoe, director of the Mother Jones Community Foundation and a longtime West Virginia activist. "My friends and I have a joke about his kind: They'd mine their momma's grave for a buck."

So it was no surprise to Gunnoe that during an appearance on Fox News a week before Christmas, Manchin knifed President Biden's first-term agenda by announcing that he could not support the $1.8 trillion Build Back Better Act: "I have tried everything I know to do" to support this, he told Fox host Bret Baier. Never mind that the bill includes billions of dollars in programs that would help West Virginians struggling with poverty and hardship, or that without the tax breaks and other clean-energy measures in the bill, Biden's goal of cutting U.S. greenhouse-gas emissions in half from 2005 levels would be all but impossible to achieve. And without U.S. leadership on climate, the chances that the nations of the world will reduce emissions fast enough to hold warming at 1.5 C, which is the threshold for dangerous climate change, is virtually zero. "If Build Back Better goes down," says John Podesta, a Democratic powerbroker and former special adviser to President Obama who has been deeply involved in international climate negotiations, "then we are completely fucked."

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AnnaLee

(1,405 posts)
13. Just seeing if he too can get richer by
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 04:19 PM
Oct 2023

milking some support dollars off businesses and the public. (Needs some dollars to set up his retirement mansion among the dirt poor in his State.)

Zambero

(10,028 posts)
25. No sound whatsoever
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 05:44 PM
Oct 2023

Visually, quite Sinematic albeit without the loud colors. Predictable boring stuff.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
18. Are we allowed to say bad stuff about this... person?
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 05:01 PM
Oct 2023

He's still got a D by his name, last I checked, so I'm going to err on the side of caution.

FakeNoose

(42,362 posts)
20. He could retire, but then a Repuke would win his seat
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 05:10 PM
Oct 2023

I'm pretty sure we're better off with Joe Manchin as an Independent, and still in the Senate.

If Manchin loses his seat, it's a sure thing that the winner would be NO HELP to the Dems at all.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
24. Yes, we'd be better off with Manchin in the seat.
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 05:12 PM
Oct 2023

He’s not much of a help legislatively but he (usually) votes to confirm Biden’s judges, which is crucial for our future.

Uncle Joe

(65,493 posts)
21. Manchin is worried that too great of a Democratic victory at all levels of government
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 05:10 PM
Oct 2023

will decrease his personal power.

Thanks for the thread Omaha Steve

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
22. He doesn't care about doing the right thing.
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 05:11 PM
Oct 2023

The party won't be the downfall of the nation. If he persists it will be all on him.

Takket

(23,795 posts)
23. let's see... no way in hell a rethug will vote for a Democrat.....
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 05:12 PM
Oct 2023

no way in hell a Democrat will vote for a DINO........

so yeah, sounds like a great idea Joe. Go for it.

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