Who was the journalist murdered by the IDF today.

[malaise]

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along with severaal innocent people trying to flee
This took place in Lebanon. Several,others were injured.
Corrected.
Local news said people trying to flee and I assumed Gaza.

This is not acceptable.
That is all

[LexVegas]

1. Battlefield correspondents know the risks. They have died in wars for centuries. nt

[Disaffected]

4. And what of the several civilians also killed?

Did they know the risks of trying to flee?

[LexVegas]

6. 125000 German civilians died in Berlin in the 2 week battle at the end of WW2. War is Hell. nt

[Disaffected]

8. Oh well then, it's OK.

[malaise]

10. Apparently they don't count

This is sickening

[Disaffected]

11. Just a little more

"collateral damage".

[Big Blue Marble]

9. It is easy to rationalize it, when you are not the target N/T

[NotVeryImportant]

52. It's even easier to rationalize it when

you absolutely hate the target and wishes them and their families cease to exist.

[WarGamer]

18. So you're justifying the IDF by comparing them to Stalins armies in Berlin... gotcha.

I don't think that was your intention.

[Zeitghost]

31. So now

Were going to question the morality of ending the 3rd Reich through violence?

Not a position I would take.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

12. Was it in Gaza?

OP gave no real info about where it was

[Disaffected]

16. I dunno,

but assumed it was. But does it really make any difference where it happened?

Edit: OK, I see now it happened in S Lebanon.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

17. Yes

Since the OP claimed fleeing civilians weee also killed.

OP linked to an article that tells the story…nothing even close to the accusation that started this thread.

[Disaffected]

22. Yes,

I see that now as well.

[malaise]

29. No - corrected

Lebanon

[SickOfTheOnePct]

33. Not really

You continue it to claim that people were trying to flee and you continue to call it murder.

So you didn’t really correct it.

That is all.

[marybourg]

46. +1

[SickOfTheOnePct]

2. If you've heard about it

I’m assuming you have some kind of link?

[LexVegas]

3. There is no real concern here. nt

[SickOfTheOnePct]

5. Truth n/t

[malaise]

7. A Reuters journalist was killed today

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/reuters-videographer-killed-southern-lebanon-2023-10-13/

A Reuters video journalist was killed and six other journalists injured in southern Lebanon on Friday when missiles fired from the direction of Israel struck them, according to a Reuters videographer who was at the scene.

The group of journalists, including from Al Jazeera and Agence France-Presse, were working near Alma al-Shaab, close to the Israel border, where the Israeli military and Lebanese militia Hezbollah have been trading fire in border clashes.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

14. Oh

so it was yesterday, and no fleeing civilians were killed, and it was nowhere near Gaza.

A journalist is hanging out in an area from which missiles were being lobbed, and he got killed by a retaliatory shell.

Hardly murder.

[JI7]

13. Yes, it's unacceptable that Hezbollah attacks Israel from Lebanon

and then people expect Israel not to respond.

[Redleg]

28. I don't think anybody here said Israel shouldn't respond

to the horrific terror attacks by Hamas. I did see many people urging appropriate restraint.

[SunImp]

42. +1

[Happy Hoosier]

53. What constitutes appropriate restraint here?

?

If journos are at a Hezbollah position that is the subject of a counter-battery strike, is Israel “at fault?”

[Redleg]

54. If a journalist gets killed at a Hamas site

Israel is not responsible for their death so long as Israel's actions contributing to that death accord with the laws of warfare.

Appropriate restaint involves not intentionally targeting non-combatants, not using more force than is necessary, for example not dropping 500-lb bombs over a large area to take out a single building, and providing non-combatants the opportunity to get away from a hostile area. There are other considerations as well.

[Trumpdumper]

39. Exactly.

I am sorry for the loss of life. When the opposition is perforce committed to your people's annihilation, not responding forcefully is not an option.

[Elessar Zappa]

15. War is hell.

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Journalists know what they’re getting into. And I haven’t seen any evidence it was an intentional act ergo not murder.

[LexVegas]

19. This is fake concern. nt

[SickOfTheOnePct]

21. Yes

Let me make that pellucidly clear.

[Disaffected]

20. Yeah, someone upthread

already said that.

[Elessar Zappa]

32. And?

It’s true.

[Disaffected]

44. Also trite and

dismissive (IMO).

[Happy Hoosier]

23. Link?

All I’ve heard of is the Journo that was in Southern Lebanon near a Hezbollah rocket site. It’s sad, but war correspondents take risks. No way for Israel to know they were there.

[EX500rider]

24. When Hezbollah fires into Israel & Israel responds it's a bad place to hang out

Israel can't see the PRESS on your vest from across the border and I wonder if it was actually missiles or return artillery fire.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

35. Wait, they were near the launch site?

They probably got hit by counter battery fire then. Not sure what system the IDF uses, but if it's purely radar based, then they may not have even known the press was at that location.

[Torchlight]

25. Was it Ralph Barnes?

Maybe Max Brand or Guy Byam.

[roamer65]

26. ...

Looks like a nasty hurricane brewing well south of Cabo Verde Islands.

I hope you remain safe!

[malaise]

30. Watching with interest

Eastern Caribbean May not escape this one. Not sure about us yet.

[TexasDem69]

27. Murdered how? And where?

You make these inflammatory accusations and don’t provide any support. Murder usually means a premeditated and intentional killing. Where’s the evidence that Israel intentionally killed these individuals?

[BannonsLiver]

34. "Mcgreedia" isn't that what they're called any other time?

[LexVegas]

36. Heh. nt

[Zeitghost]

38. You'll notice

The OP and the other usual suspects never start threads on the target selection of Hamas and Hezbollah. They never start threads on the munitions they use on civilians. They never start threads on the innocents that are hit with theiir fire.

Curious isn't it, especially for how much they tend to use the term "both sides".

[LexVegas]

40. The Blame Israel First Brigade. nt

[Beastly Boy]

41. Was it premeditated?

Was anyone else murdered?
Were people trying to flee?

... so it wasn't murder, there were no other people murdered, it didn't happen in Gaza, it didn't happen to random civilians trying to flee.

I believe quite a few corrections are in order.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

43. Ya think?

I won’t hold my breath though.

[Cha]

48. Exactly the GD Question.

[onenote]

45. Was the journalist embedded with those launching rockets at Israel?

[Cha]

47. GD Fuck Hezbollah & HAMAS Shitheads Murdering

GD Baby Killers. Beheading babies.. wTAF. Shooting Israelis in their beds. MF

Hamas Fighters' Orders: 'Kill as Many People as Possible'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hamas-fighters-orders-kill-as-many-people-as-possible/ar-AA1idqbk

[JustAnotherGen]

49. Sick

This was a well planned massacre of innocent civilians.

Documents recovered from the bodies of dead militants at the sites of attacks that killed more than 1,300 Israelis point to a deliberate strategy to massacre civilians, Israeli officials said.

But the Hamas attackers did reach the dorms of Thai and Nepalese laborers working for the kibbutz, who lived closest to the breached areas. There, they immediately killed some of the workers in their beds, according to Blumstein.

Others were taken to a different location, had their hands bound before being executed, said Blumstein. In total, the Hamas attackers killed 16 workers living on the kibbutz. “It was a massacre,” said Blumstein

Within minutes, armed fighters can be seen emerging from a wooded area in ones and twos. Several run over to him and shoot him again. Residents who have abandoned their cars to hide in the bushes are attacked with grenades. One is pulled from the bushes and repeatedly shot and bludgeoned.

[Cha]

50. Yes, it was and Israel is so

bad for "murdering a Reuters reporter" when he was a casualty of war.

Which I'm sad about but let's not call it fucking "murder."

[JustAnotherGen]

51. ITA