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ClearSky24

(299 posts)
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 01:51 PM Oct 2023

Matt Gaetz might have handed democrats a huge win

https://www.newsweek.com/matt-gaetz-might-have-handed-democrats-huge-win-1834747

There is growing speculation that Matt Gaetz's move to oust Kevin McCarthy from the speaker's office could backfire amid reports that a bipartisan group of around 10 Democratic and Republican representatives is holding discussions to break the deadlock.

Donald Trump ally Jim Jordan, founding chair of the conservative Freedom Caucus, was selected as the new Republican nominee for the speaker's office on Friday, despite having initially lost out to Scalise. However, it is far from clear that he has the requisite 217 votes to win.

Due to the GOP's wafer-thin House majority, just four of its members can block any Republican candidate for speaker, if they vote alongside a united Democratic caucus.

A group of about 10 representatives from both parties have held very serious discussions about a bipartisan deal to break the deadlock, per Axios news website. This could see Democrats back a moderate Republican as speaker in return for legislative or procedural concessions.

Fox News host Laura Ingraham shared the article on X, formerly Twitter, adding: "Exactly what I warned about on the [Ingraham] Angle the night of the McCarthy ouster. This is Matt Gaetz's legacy. Congratulations!"
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Matt Gaetz might have handed democrats a huge win (Original Post) ClearSky24 Oct 2023 OP
"This is Matt Gaetz's legacy..." dchill Oct 2023 #1
Exactly. CentralMass Oct 2023 #3
Gaetz is a child trafficker. This is what happens when you let garbage in the government. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #2
Democrats should not make any deal nakocal Oct 2023 #4
Any speculation on who those 4 R's might be? TheRickles Oct 2023 #5
What Ingraham fails to mention is . . . peggysue2 Oct 2023 #6
+1 peppertree Oct 2023 #8
Exactly my thought when I first saw the headline liberalla Oct 2023 #11
THIS malaise Oct 2023 #17
The biggest problem is all the dam $ from Repubs mega donors..and their plan NowsTheTime Oct 2023 #35
Very intriguing Hekate Oct 2023 #7
Drag ''em kicking and screaming! czarjak Oct 2023 #9
Repubs working with Democrats?!?! rubbersole Oct 2023 #10
Moderate Republican?! Like who?! AnrothElf Oct 2023 #12
moderate Republiklans are like Honest Republiklans Jerry2144 Oct 2023 #16
Both terms are oxymorons...nt Wounded Bear Oct 2023 #24
She may not be a moderate Republican LiberalFighter Oct 2023 #36
That's what happen when you lose two consequential elections... W_HAMILTON Oct 2023 #40
Undoing some of the intense political polarization would be a good thing for the country andym Oct 2023 #13
Maybe, hopefully, Yes, the way govt. is suppose to work. republianmushroom Oct 2023 #14
Like rats on a sinking ship eating each other LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #15
I think this is the way out of this mess. patphil Oct 2023 #18
Upton is no longer in Congress. Moosepoop Oct 2023 #38
Matt Gaetz fucks children. Iggo Oct 2023 #19
Still like to know how there was "insufficient evidence" in that case oldsoftie Oct 2023 #23
Right because it owns all 3 jackoff monkeys Captain Zero Oct 2023 #20
I hope they work a deal. honest.abe Oct 2023 #21
I'd set aside my partisan despising of every f*ing Republican if it meant a functional government. NBachers Oct 2023 #22
Absolutely. femmedem Oct 2023 #41
Who in hell are these 10 Democrats willing to vote for a Republican? Emile Oct 2023 #25
I think its 10 total Ds + Rs. These are just the ones negotiating. honest.abe Oct 2023 #26
God forbid! Emile Oct 2023 #27
My concern, as should be everyones, is that without a speaker there will be no budget.. honest.abe Oct 2023 #28
With a Republican speaker it's almost a guaranteed no budget! Emile Oct 2023 #29
Well even with McCarthy we worked deals to raise the debt ceiling and pass a temporary budget. honest.abe Oct 2023 #30
I think the odds would be better of getting a budget if Emile Oct 2023 #31
Jeffries will be House Speaker in Jan 2025. honest.abe Oct 2023 #32
So in the meantime you want elected Democrats to vote for a Republican? Emile Oct 2023 #33
Yes and I am fairly certain they will. honest.abe Oct 2023 #34
I'm with you on this. n/t femmedem Oct 2023 #42
I think one of the agreements would be to remove Gym Jordan from his judiciary chair position. LiberalFighter Oct 2023 #37
This 'bipartisan speaker' idea is wishful thinking. D23MIURG23 Oct 2023 #39
Moderate Republican? There isn't one. AllyCat Oct 2023 #43

dchill

(42,660 posts)
1. "This is Matt Gaetz's legacy..."
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 01:57 PM
Oct 2023

Yes, Laura. And yours - and that of all your lying, traitorous cohort at FockSnooze. Not to mention every single Congressional Republican.

nakocal

(625 posts)
4. Democrats should not make any deal
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 03:00 PM
Oct 2023

because the republicans have NO integrity and will not honor any deal.

TheRickles

(3,379 posts)
5. Any speculation on who those 4 R's might be?
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 03:12 PM
Oct 2023

If we factor in a Santos indictment and a couple of R's being laid low by a bad cold on the day of the vote, we could have Speaker Jeffries.

peggysue2

(12,531 posts)
6. What Ingraham fails to mention is . . .
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 03:18 PM
Oct 2023

Donald Trump was the fire under Gaetz. Trump wanted a shutdown; he wanted the chaos. McCarthy didn't deliver, and that failure was an act of disloyalty.

This is Donald Trump's legacy--a continuous effort to destroy the American government from the inside. Anyone who stands in Agent Orange's way is toast.

ETTD

peppertree

(23,336 posts)
8. +1
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 03:24 PM
Oct 2023

The CR cost Kevin the Klown his job - and now they've painted themselves into a corner.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

liberalla

(11,088 posts)
11. Exactly my thought when I first saw the headline
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 03:45 PM
Oct 2023

Matt Gaetz handing a big win to the Dems is all... COURTESY OF TRUMP !

Thanks Donnie dipshit!

malaise

(296,081 posts)
17. THIS
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 04:20 PM
Oct 2023

The Slobfather and his goons are still trying to overthrow and seize all three branches of government.

NowsTheTime

(1,314 posts)
35. The biggest problem is all the dam $ from Repubs mega donors..and their plan
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 06:05 PM
Oct 2023

It's affecting the media, the politics of maga, and Federal and State government..

rubbersole

(11,222 posts)
10. Repubs working with Democrats?!?!
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 03:42 PM
Oct 2023

Noooo...say it ain't so. The world will stop spinning. Plus the brave repubs had better get some serious security. The country will appreciate their patriotism. The wingnuts will scream and threaten. Hope this actually happens.

 

AnrothElf

(923 posts)
12. Moderate Republican?! Like who?!
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 03:46 PM
Oct 2023

From what I can tell, there's MAGA extremists, and MAGA water-carriers. Maybe a few of the swing district water-carriers can be peeled off?

I *guess* we can call those "moderate" but I mean... they aren't. Just like Liz Cheney is no fucking moderate.

The Overton Window has moved so far to the right we lack all perspective.

Jerry2144

(3,272 posts)
16. moderate Republiklans are like Honest Republiklans
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 04:09 PM
Oct 2023

As common as ice bergs in the Mojave Desert

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
36. She may not be a moderate Republican
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 06:08 PM
Oct 2023

GovTrack shows her towards the middle of the Republican pack.

Despite that she bucked Republicans regarding the J6 hearing. And considering she considers Gym Jordan to be an asshole she likely would have had discussions with Democrats if she had kept her seat. Especially with Nancy.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
40. That's what happen when you lose two consequential elections...
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:25 PM
Oct 2023

...because one side had *just* enough waste their votes on Ralph Nader and Jill Stein while the other side was doing anything and everything it could to get their Republican elected.

andym

(6,066 posts)
13. Undoing some of the intense political polarization would be a good thing for the country
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 03:56 PM
Oct 2023

it would help isolate the MAGAs.

LiberaBlueDem

(1,167 posts)
15. Like rats on a sinking ship eating each other
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 04:07 PM
Oct 2023

The republicans do not want a functioning government. They just want to tell everyone else what to do and how to live. They want a dictatorship with all of them little Ceasars.

patphil

(9,065 posts)
18. I think this is the way out of this mess.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 04:21 PM
Oct 2023

Dems should give the Repubs a short list of acceptable moderate Repubs they will support.
I suggest Gonzales from Ohio, or Upton from Michigan.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
23. Still like to know how there was "insufficient evidence" in that case
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 04:50 PM
Oct 2023

I think you or I would be in jail

NBachers

(19,438 posts)
22. I'd set aside my partisan despising of every f*ing Republican if it meant a functional government.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 04:48 PM
Oct 2023

If some will work with us, then I say OK.

femmedem

(8,561 posts)
41. Absolutely.
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 07:29 AM
Oct 2023

I think the odds are good that there are enough anti-Trump, anti-insurrection Republicans to oppose Jordan. And the Democrats voted to vacate the speaker; they have a responsibility to work with them to help find the best possible replacement.

Emile

(42,281 posts)
25. Who in hell are these 10 Democrats willing to vote for a Republican?
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 04:53 PM
Oct 2023

You can't trust any damn Republican period!

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
26. I think its 10 total Ds + Rs. These are just the ones negotiating.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 04:59 PM
Oct 2023

I suspect there are alot more willing to vote for whoever they agree on with concessions.

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
28. My concern, as should be everyones, is that without a speaker there will be no budget..
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 05:28 PM
Oct 2023

in a couple of weeks.

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
30. Well even with McCarthy we worked deals to raise the debt ceiling and pass a temporary budget.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 05:42 PM
Oct 2023

So it is possible.

Emile

(42,281 posts)
31. I think the odds would be better of getting a budget if
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 05:55 PM
Oct 2023

enough Republicans voted for Jeffries.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
37. I think one of the agreements would be to remove Gym Jordan from his judiciary chair position.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 06:09 PM
Oct 2023

Maybe something to do with Gaetz too.

D23MIURG23

(3,138 posts)
39. This 'bipartisan speaker' idea is wishful thinking.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:21 PM
Oct 2023

No one is getting reelected as an R if they support Hakeem Jeffries for speaker.

If this is going to happen, we'll get a D majority first, because the Rs have no reason not to defect if they are going to vote for Jeffries.

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