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This child died yesterday. (Original Post) milestogo Oct 2023 OP
My heart is breaking NBachers Oct 2023 #1
Hamas doesn't care The Blue Flower Oct 2023 #2
So dang mad at Hamas. jimfields33 Oct 2023 #4
+1 SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #20
So many innocents are being murdered in this horrible conflict. Lonestarblue Oct 2023 #3
The funerals in Israel on ABC news tonight were a gut punch. jimfields33 Oct 2023 #5
Exactly n/t SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #7
Hamas militants are too cowardly to have a base of operations to target SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #21
You are right rainy Oct 2023 #22
No, almost everyone does not condemn Hamas JI7 Oct 2023 #26
It's tragic SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #6
Not murder? So... unfortunate side effect? unintentional damage? Crossfire? WarGamer Oct 2023 #10
As in any war SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Oct 2023 #14
This was an entire extended family of 16 civilians, deliberately killed. milestogo Oct 2023 #15
They weren't deliberately killed SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #17
Just because you say so doesn't make it true. Duncan Grant Oct 2023 #25
Nah, I SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #29
It's clear who's to blame for this girl's death. Duncan Grant Oct 2023 #38
Hamas preferred this action. The girl and her family would be alive BUT instead Ziggysmom Oct 2023 #51
card enid602 Oct 2023 #56
Hamas Dorian Gray Oct 2023 #57
So Israel has no agency? Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #61
No inthewind21 Oct 2023 #63
Humanity doesn't deserve dogs or children. WarGamer Oct 2023 #8
Truth Codifer Oct 2023 #41
How claudette Oct 2023 #9
This bdamomma Oct 2023 #11
It is not genocide SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #18
One country's atrocities do not justify another country's atrocities milestogo Oct 2023 #35
Escalates war bdamomma Oct 2023 #60
Blame Israel First Brigade, fall in! nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #12
Let's not trivialize this girl's death with sarcasm. Duncan Grant Oct 2023 #16
So how do you want to trivialize it? PCIntern Oct 2023 #27
Agree 10000000% n/t SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #30
What sarcasm? nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #39
I do blame Hamas but Israeli military killed that little girl and her family Chautauquas Oct 2023 #24
Israel thus should do nothing PCIntern Oct 2023 #28
"We're all children of the same God." Mitt said. czarjak Oct 2023 #19
Only if you follow their version. SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #23
Lying for The Lord. The Mormon's way. Ask one. czarjak Oct 2023 #32
Wasn't trying to single out Mormonism either SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #33
I was. It's a sham religion founded in 18fucking30. Mitt didn't mean it. czarjak Oct 2023 #36
Oh I agree with that too. SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #37
Oooh! Can we do scientology next? JoseBalow Oct 2023 #43
If you want to get rich, start a religion. czarjak Oct 2023 #47
Tragic loss of life sarisataka Oct 2023 #31
Heartbreaking and so Are the pictures of the Dead Children Cha Oct 2023 #34
An eye for an eye.... nancy1942 Oct 2023 #42
Heartbreaking & So are the Dead Killed by Cha Oct 2023 #44
So true Cha, Hamas would only kill more, AND THEY EVEN SAY SO. Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #52
I Stand There Too Maru 💙😇🇺🇸🇺🇦🇮🇱 Cha Oct 2023 #54
Yes, you are right! raging moderate Oct 2023 #69
How does this end? It doesn't. Sneederbunk Oct 2023 #40
WW3 roamer65 Oct 2023 #45
We are living in a shithole world right now. Must change the conditions. EOM tiredtoo Oct 2023 #46
This little girl's horrendous death is the direct result of hate. Jack-o-Lantern Oct 2023 #48
This inthewind21 Oct 2023 #67
The last battle keithbvadu2 Oct 2023 #49
Its a war children and other innnocents die... Historic NY Oct 2023 #50
She would still be alive Calculating Oct 2023 #53
so, killing that girl shows them....what Skittles Oct 2023 #58
Oh well inthewind21 Oct 2023 #68
... Demovictory9 Oct 2023 #55
''Say Her Name" - The photo of this girl has several different names/stories on 'twitter' ... Donkees Oct 2023 #59
Probably mistranslations Sympthsical Oct 2023 #62
*Thank you* for sharing the details of this family tragedy for those of us without Facebook Donkees Oct 2023 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author Raine Oct 2023 #64
She was so cute. Emile Oct 2023 #65
And this baby was kidnapped by Hamas a week ago question everything Oct 2023 #70

Lonestarblue

(13,462 posts)
3. So many innocents are being murdered in this horrible conflict.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:10 PM
Oct 2023

Almost everyone condemns HAMAS for their heinous attack on innocent Israelis, but how does the murder of innocent victims like his child improve deliver retribution? It doesn’t. It is simply vengeance simply because Israel has the power to deliver vengeance.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
5. The funerals in Israel on ABC news tonight were a gut punch.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:12 PM
Oct 2023

Hamas did that and caused the deaths in Gaza directly.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,619 posts)
21. Hamas militants are too cowardly to have a base of operations to target
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:35 PM
Oct 2023

Instead, they hide behind civilians.

WarGamer

(18,603 posts)
10. Not murder? So... unfortunate side effect? unintentional damage? Crossfire?
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:21 PM
Oct 2023

Maybe "an oops"??

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
13. As in any war
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:23 PM
Oct 2023

There is collateral damage. Of course it’s awful and heartbreaking, but Hamas brought this in to their own people, then then they hide amongst them and use them as human shields.

If it’s murder, than Hamas is the murderer.

Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #13)

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
17. They weren't deliberately killed
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:29 PM
Oct 2023

Innocent people die when legitimate military targets hide amongst them.

This is on Hamas.

Duncan Grant

(8,919 posts)
25. Just because you say so doesn't make it true.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:39 PM
Oct 2023

Incessant dissociative coping skills require treatment not found on political message boards. There’s nothing you can say that makes me believe this little girl’s life had to be forfeited for the reasons you champion.

I suspect this response will only inflame you more — but can you ease up on the dead children, please?

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
29. Nah, I
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:42 PM
Oct 2023

Don’t get inflamed over strangers on a message board.

As for easing up in the dead children, I’ve stated clearly that it’s an awful tragedy; we just disagree on who is to blame.

Duncan Grant

(8,919 posts)
38. It's clear who's to blame for this girl's death.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:56 PM
Oct 2023

But feel free to speak “Hamas” over each and everyone of these kids deaths. It still won’t make it true.

Ziggysmom

(4,123 posts)
51. Hamas preferred this action. The girl and her family would be alive BUT instead
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 11:51 PM
Oct 2023

the terrorist Hamas mastermind behind the assault, Palestinian militant Mohammed Deif, decided to start a war. For years he and Hamas have diverted humanitarian aid and instead built tunnels under Gaza for terrorist use against Israel. Just as The Third Reich vilified Jews and saw them as subhuman, it is the same hatred and moral rot at the core of the anti-Zionism that fueled the Hamas massacre. I blame hatred for the deaths in Israel and Gaza.

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
57. Hamas
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 05:21 AM
Oct 2023

is using the population of Gaza City. Hamas wasn't letting them evacuate. Hamas perpetrated the attack against Israel that let to retaliation. Hamas is to blame. Fully and unequivocally.

Now we can argue about Israel's response and if they could be more careful about ensuring civilian lives are protected. (And I would argue yes.).

But without Hamas' actions last weekend, this child would absolutely, 100% be alive right now.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
63. No
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 11:27 AM
Oct 2023

they are 100% blameless. Just like the WE in the US have no blame at all for ANYTHING happening here. It's all THEIR fault!

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
11. This
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:21 PM
Oct 2023

is genocide. That beautiful little girl and her family gone, due to a blood thirsty hatred for people. Hate kills, and now we in the US are experiencing the same hatred on Jewish and Palestinian people.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
18. It is not genocide
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:31 PM
Oct 2023

But you’re right that it’s a result of hate. Hamas hates Israelis so much that they’re willing to bring death to their own people.

milestogo

(23,066 posts)
35. One country's atrocities do not justify another country's atrocities
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:51 PM
Oct 2023

There are rules of war. There are international laws regarding the treatment of civilians.

The fact that Hamas has broken international law is not a license for Israel to do the same.

The fact that Hamas has committed war crimes is not a justification for Israel to do the same.

Besides being immoral, it escalates the war.

PCIntern

(28,353 posts)
27. So how do you want to trivialize it?
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:41 PM
Oct 2023

This girl would be alive today if Hamas had not murdered 1300 Israelis and their family and friends.

The blame is upon the terrorists in toto.

Chautauquas

(4,489 posts)
24. I do blame Hamas but Israeli military killed that little girl and her family
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:38 PM
Oct 2023

I blame Hamas first and foremost, but Israel fired the ammo that murdered that family. Neither side has clean hands in this heartbreaking war.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,619 posts)
37. Oh I agree with that too.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:53 PM
Oct 2023

But they are in good company with other religions all formed around the same time period.

sarisataka

(22,670 posts)
31. Tragic loss of life
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:45 PM
Oct 2023

I won't deny she died
I won't ask how StanceGrounded knows how this happened
I won't ask who is uncle Karim
I won't ask what reporters saw her body
I won't ask the exact details of the condition of her body
I won't ask for pictures to verify her death

Because even if some details are wrong, some Palestinian child died because adults cannot simply live in peace

So my heart goes out to Eileen and those who loved her

Cha

(318,904 posts)
44. Heartbreaking & So are the Dead Killed by
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:14 PM
Oct 2023

HAMAS..

If Israel did Nothing HAMAS WOULD KILL MORE Israelis.

Fuck HAMAS

Maru Kitteh

(31,750 posts)
52. So true Cha, Hamas would only kill more, AND THEY EVEN SAY SO.
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 12:09 AM
Oct 2023

This is the terrorist scum people defend? I don't get it.

I stand with my President, Ukraine and Israel. You know, democracy? Yeah, I'll stand there.


Cha

(318,904 posts)
54. I Stand There Too Maru 💙😇🇺🇸🇺🇦🇮🇱
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 12:49 AM
Oct 2023

🇮🇱🇺🇦🇺🇸💥🕊️🕯️

Mahalo

Jack-o-Lantern

(1,020 posts)
48. This little girl's horrendous death is the direct result of hate.
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:42 PM
Oct 2023

The vicious terrorist’s scum who did this took great pleasure and amusement in the killing and torture of Israeli children by the hundreds. These monsters must be wiped off the face of the earth by any means necessary.
It’s like using radiation treatments to try to save the life of a cancer victim. Some people die from the treatments, but others are saved.
100% of the blame is on the terrorists…period.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
67. This
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 11:49 AM
Oct 2023

little girls death is the direct result of Leaders of nations all over the globe meddling in other nations business deciding "THEIR" way was THE way. And it continues to this day with full support of a very many of said nations population. Period. But hey, it's working out well right?

Historic NY

(40,013 posts)
50. Its a war children and other innnocents die...
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 11:34 PM
Oct 2023

it will always happen when man's inhumanity to man exists.....

Calculating

(3,000 posts)
53. She would still be alive
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 12:14 AM
Oct 2023

If not for the vile and despicable terror attacks carried out against the innocent civilians of Israel by Hamas

Skittles

(171,639 posts)
58. so, killing that girl shows them....what
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 05:38 AM
Oct 2023

how long has this shit been going on? No, it is the result of people who hate each other more than they love their children. Or else they'd find a way to STOP THE HATRED.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
68. Oh well
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 11:51 AM
Oct 2023

that should stop them huh! Hamas attacked to provoke a reaction. And guess what, they achieved their goal. The whole point was

1. Commit an atrocity in Israel and provoke a response. Check

2. Have Israel retaliate and cause more atrocities. check

3. Cause people to get at odds and take a side. check

4. Sit back and watch the whole situation escalate and start training all the new recruits to their cause. Because clearly the people of the world still haven't see what is and has been right in front of their faces, that these terrorist organizations ALL have the same play book. And the world responds the same EVERY SINGLE TIME! Oh, and there's big money in war!



Donkees

(33,686 posts)
59. ''Say Her Name" - The photo of this girl has several different names/stories on 'twitter' ...
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 06:25 AM
Oct 2023

Where did this photo originate?

Orthodox Christian Chants & Iconography:
@OrthodoxChant
Two young orthodox christian ☦️ palestinian girls named Selen & elena, from abo-alros family who're amongst the many palestinian children recklessly murdered by zionist satanists during their Gaza civilian airstrikes.



Sympthsical

(10,960 posts)
62. Probably mistranslations
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 10:29 AM
Oct 2023

The uncle being referred to is Karim Abu Alroos on Facebook who has been posting the story about family members who have been killed in the incident he's referencing. There's a picture of him with the girl in the OP and he has home video of the girls. He says their names are Eileen and Celine. Selen/Elena could be mistranslations of the sister's names.

I'm inclined to believe this story is true.

It's very sad. Everything about this is tragic.

Donkees

(33,686 posts)
66. *Thank you* for sharing the details of this family tragedy for those of us without Facebook
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 11:44 AM
Oct 2023

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