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gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 08:15 AM Oct 2023

Trump Will Give Deposition Today, Under Oath

Ah yes, the Peter Strzok/Lisa Page lawsuit against the justice department.

Strzok and Page are suing the Trump administration DOJ for releasing their private emails to the press and for succumbing to pressure from Trump to fire them.

Of note, the Garland DOJ had fought to keep Trump from testifying declaring it was unnecessary, but the courts thought otherwise.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-scheduled-to-be-questioned-in-lawsuits-from-ex-fbi-employees-who-sent-negative-texts-about-him/ar-AA1ik9oQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=0541766569c94a40a101ef9cde33732b&ei=20

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Trump Will Give Deposition Today, Under Oath (Original Post) gab13by13 Oct 2023 OP
Thanks for the headsup malaise Oct 2023 #1
I forgot about this lawsuit. Thanks for posting this. n/t livetohike Oct 2023 #2
The doj really doesn't want people to know how corrupt it was under tfg getagrip_already Oct 2023 #3
Them's good questions, pilgrim. jaxexpat Oct 2023 #20
Hope dip tells the truth. Kid Berwyn Oct 2023 #4
I doubt he will say he pressured Justice to fire Strzok and Page. gab13by13 Oct 2023 #8
My belief is he'll avoid mentioning he fired FBI team tracking Putin & Assoc. Kid Berwyn Oct 2023 #28
if he does , first my mouth will drop and then i ll go out and get a hot fudges sundae. AllaN01Bear Oct 2023 #26
Love to join you. I celebrate when traitors are held to account. Kid Berwyn Oct 2023 #29
Plead the 5th about 87 times? Shanti Shanti Shanti Oct 2023 #5
"Only mobsters plead the 5th," Donald Trump. gab13by13 Oct 2023 #6
more like 1087 times vlyons Oct 2023 #7
Can he Delphinus Oct 2023 #35
Maybe by observing we can see how he gets away with it Marthe48 Oct 2023 #9
Mitt Romney spelled it out, gab13by13 Oct 2023 #11
This. The mini-Trumps. cactusfractal Oct 2023 #15
And the power to thumb his nose at the civilized world and say any obnoxious thing he wants. Lonestarblue Oct 2023 #17
The cult Marthe48 Oct 2023 #18
His voice sounds like a garbage disposal. calimary Oct 2023 #31
He sounds like every guy I ever met Marthe48 Oct 2023 #33
He's a great mix of bully and victim. He learned it with the WWF. Eyeball_Kid Oct 2023 #23
WWF? LOL he lost THAT lawsuit too. World Wildlife Federation sued the wrestling organization Attilatheblond Oct 2023 #38
So happy to read the lower courts thought otherwise. SCOTUS however, will reverse their decisions. msfiddlestix Oct 2023 #10
Maybe, gab13by13 Oct 2023 #12
Someone please let him know that ship sailed a number of years ago. msfiddlestix Oct 2023 #41
I read that as 'suppositories' n/t ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 2023 #49
Oath to what? Traildogbob Oct 2023 #13
In one of his many court trials Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #24
A weaponized Justice Department under Donald Trump NBachers Oct 2023 #14
Exactly, gab13by13 Oct 2023 #16
This person will have no problem bluestarone Oct 2023 #19
"Oh Lisa!...Oh Peter!" kentuck Oct 2023 #21
Likely Putin ordered Strzok fired Attilatheblond Oct 2023 #39
does this mean he could get charged with perjury after he lies under oath? rurallib Oct 2023 #22
You or I would be charged with perjury Orrex Oct 2023 #43
Trump is justified to be afraid of a perjury trap. keithbvadu2 Oct 2023 #44
If there is no punishment is there a perjury trap? rurallib Oct 2023 #45
Garland is to concerned with edhopper Oct 2023 #25
Does anyone believe he even knows what truth is or that he would honor an oath? appleannie1 Oct 2023 #27
everything you say is correct but... jcgoldie Oct 2023 #30
Absolutely and if his crazed followers attempt to storm the prison to free him appleannie1 Oct 2023 #32
Will he stick to the 5th or submit to his need to whine about, "Russia gate?" ShazamIam Oct 2023 #34
Always good to have the Dumpster under oath and speaking out loud in court. Probably a lot of Martin68 Oct 2023 #36
Will be interesting. republianmushroom Oct 2023 #37
You misspelled "Trump will perjure himself today". n/t whopis01 Oct 2023 #40
I don't know what the over/under is on the number of times he perjures himself, but ... 11 Bravo Oct 2023 #42
K&R Blue Owl Oct 2023 #46
Trump lies so much that nakocal Oct 2023 #47
Oh, to be a fly on the wall... ShazzieB Oct 2023 #48
I hope there is a fire extinguisher near the bible lame54 Oct 2023 #50

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
3. The doj really doesn't want people to know how corrupt it was under tfg
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 08:23 AM
Oct 2023

And by extention, how many of those people still work there.

Nothing to see here citizen

Move along.

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
28. My belief is he'll avoid mentioning he fired FBI team tracking Putin & Assoc.
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 10:52 AM
Oct 2023



Trump’s Top Targets in the Russia Probe Are Experts in Organized Crime

Some of President Trump’s favorite targets in the Russia probe have spent their careers in the Justice Department and the FBI investigating organized crime and money laundering, particularly as they pertain to Russia.


NATASHA BERTRAND
The Atlantic, AUG 30, 2018

Bruce Ohr. Lisa Page. Andrew Weissmann. Andrew McCabe. President Donald Trump has relentlessly attacked these FBI and Justice Department officials as dishonest “Democrats” engaged in a partisan “witch hunt” led by the special counsel determined to tie his campaign to Russia. But Trump’s attacks have also served to highlight another thread among these officials and others who have investigated his campaign: their extensive experience in probing money laundering and organized crime, particularly as they pertain to Russia.

snip...

Trump’s latest obsession is with Bruce Ohr, a career Justice Department official who spent years investigating Russian organized crime and corruption—an expertise he shared with another Trump target named Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence operative who provided valuable intelligence on Russia to the State Department and the FBI’s Eurasian Organized Crime Task Force prior to authoring the Trump-Russia dossier in 2016. Ohr and Steele met in 2007, according to The New York Times, and stayed in touch as a result of their shared interests and mutual respect. Trump has tweeted about Ohr nearly a dozen times this month alone, complaining about his relationship with Steele and Ohr’s wife’s past work for Fusion GPS—the opposition-research firm that hired Steele in 2016 to research Trump’s Russia ties.

snip...

Trump’s fixation with seeing Ohr ousted from the Justice Department could be perceived as yet another attempt to undermine the credibility of the people who have investigated him. It could also be interpreted as an attack on someone with deep knowledge of the shady characters Trump and his cohort have been linked to, including Semion Mogilevich, the Russian mob boss, and Oleg Deripaska, a Russian aluminum magnate close to Putin who did business with Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort. (Incidentally, another Manafort associate, the Ukrainian billionaire Dmitry Firtash, admitted that he only managed to be in business because Mogilevich allowed him to be, according to a leaked 2008 State Department cable.) Ohr was involved in banning Deripaska from the U.S. in 2006, due to his alleged ties to organized crime and fear that he would try to launder money into American real estate. Nearly a decade later, Ohr and the FBI sought Deripaska’s help in taking down overseas criminal syndicates.

Snip...

The president has denied having any business ties to Russia, and his dream of building a Trump Tower Moscow never materialized. But his links to Russian oligarchs and mobsters from the former Soviet Union have been documented: Millions of dollars from the former Soviet Union flowed into Trump’s developments and casinos throughout the 1990s, as the journalist Craig Unger has chronicled, as oligarchs looked for a place to hide their money in the West. The Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, was once known as a hot spot for Brooklyn mobsters associated with the Russian Mafia, and quickly became the “favorite East Coast destination” of the top Russian mob boss Vyacheslav Ivankov, according to the 2000 book Red Mafiya: How the Russian Mob Has Invaded America. It was also repeatedly cited by the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network for having inadequate money-laundering controls.

Continues...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/trumps-top-targets-in-the-russia-probe-are-experts-in-organized-crime/569056/



What I know: MF45 is a traitor who fired the FBI Russia counterespionage team.

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
29. Love to join you. I celebrate when traitors are held to account.
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 10:54 AM
Oct 2023
In the Oval Office in the merry month of May 2017

President Trump gestures to Russia's ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak, as he speaks to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in the Oval Office on Wednesday, May 10, 2017. (Alexander Shcherbak/TASS/Getty Images)

“I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job," Trump said, according to The Times. "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off.”



"I'm not under investigation," he added*.

Sources:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/10/527755991/trump-meets-with-russias-lavrov-at-the-white-house-today

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-nut-job-james-comey-russia-2017-5

* After Comey, Trump fired just about everyone at FBI investigating Russia, including Page and Strzok.



Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
9. Maybe by observing we can see how he gets away with it
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 09:05 AM
Oct 2023

I haven't seen anything so far that helps me understand why people are mesmerized by his line of utter bs, but maybe experts will watch and tell us.

Although traitor in court is different than traitor in front of a crowd.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
11. Mitt Romney spelled it out,
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 09:18 AM
Oct 2023

People are afraid of Trump. People who cross Trump end up getting death threats. Senators voted to not convict Trump in his impeachment trial because they were afraid of death threats.

It is a simple explanation, Trump uses mob tactics.

Why his unwashed Magats blindly follow him? It is a cult, religion is involved, Trump was sent by god to cure all their ills. Maybe most of his cult are mini-Trumps?

 

cactusfractal

(578 posts)
15. This. The mini-Trumps.
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 09:30 AM
Oct 2023

They revere the wealth and stardom.

They have someone famous and essentially uncancelable spouting the same bigotry that informs their own lives.

For him to go down because of it is their own denouement, as well.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
17. And the power to thumb his nose at the civilized world and say any obnoxious thing he wants.
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 09:38 AM
Oct 2023

The Trump cult loves to be able to denigrate people they don’t like and threaten to kill them, and Trump gives the permission to do just that.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
18. The cult
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 09:47 AM
Oct 2023

Did you ever get in a spot where one of the choices you could make was counter to what you had been taught and you got an interior twinge if you took that option? You knew you were doing wrong, but did it anyway.

Or were you ever in a spot where one of the choices was going to demean you, and you avoided that choice?

Remember the old saying, 'Let your conscience be your guide'? Maybe the cult doesn't like the word conscience because it contains the word science. Who knows?

But even in these times, where is the switch, where is the common sense, that people used to have that made them pick the option that didn't cause the icky feeling within or cause harm to others?

When traitor gets in front of a mike, when the few bits of MSM I watch give him airtime, I can't mute him fast enough. It is like his voice is polluted water and I'm spitting it out so I don't get sick. To his cult, the same babble is music to their ears.


calimary

(90,021 posts)
31. His voice sounds like a garbage disposal.
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 10:55 AM
Oct 2023

With apologies to garbage disposals everywhere, of course.

And something else I’ve noticed. It’s higher-pitched than a lot of men’s voices.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
33. He sounds like every guy I ever met
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 11:06 AM
Oct 2023

who was wrong, knew he was wrong, and still tried to convince the people around him he was right.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Or

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,604 posts)
23. He's a great mix of bully and victim. He learned it with the WWF.
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 10:05 AM
Oct 2023

It's low-brow all the way, and it works. If you never watched pro wrestling, you don't get it.

Attilatheblond

(8,878 posts)
38. WWF? LOL he lost THAT lawsuit too. World Wildlife Federation sued the wrestling organization
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 01:12 PM
Oct 2023

The critter advocates won that case, I think a trademark violation case or something along that line. Cracked me up cuz Trump was in charge of the choreographed wrestling farce at the time, if memory serves. He who loves to sue got smacked.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
10. So happy to read the lower courts thought otherwise. SCOTUS however, will reverse their decisions.
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 09:07 AM
Oct 2023

The 6 Trump supporters on the high court will go with Garland on this.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
12. Maybe,
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 09:22 AM
Oct 2023

Garland backed down on the first E.Jean Carroll lawsuit and it never made it to the SC.

I doubt that Garland will back down on this one though, being an institutionalist he must keep the Justice department from being sullied.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
41. Someone please let him know that ship sailed a number of years ago.
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 03:08 PM
Oct 2023

It's going to take at least one or more generations to fix that sullied problem.

I'm not even suggesting that the problem will ever be wiped perfectly clean, just that it could at least be substantively disinfected by the level of corruption existing thus far.




Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
13. Oath to what?
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 09:25 AM
Oct 2023

Himself. Since when has an oath to anything else occurred? He laughs at the hand on the upside down BuyBull. Telling truth just by placing a hand on that book, as meaningful as the Taliban doing so.
He was told holding it upside down, it would not burn in his hand, by Stephen Miller. A religious scholar.

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
24. In one of his many court trials
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 10:12 AM
Oct 2023

He actually submitted to the court that he, as president, didn't have to support the US Constitution.

The guy sure as crap doesn't understand an oath of loyalty to anyone but his own interests.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
16. Exactly,
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 09:36 AM
Oct 2023

Trump nominated Christopher Wray in 2017 as FBI Director. It was Deputy Director David Bowdich who fired Strzok but I am sure at the direction of Wray/Trump.

Federalist Society member Christopher Wray slides under the radar, he is a Magat. He lied to Congress about the intelligence leading up to J6, he should have been fired.

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
21. "Oh Lisa!...Oh Peter!"
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 10:00 AM
Oct 2023

From one of Trump's rallies.

They did not support him so he looked to destroy them and their careers.

Attilatheblond

(8,878 posts)
39. Likely Putin ordered Strzok fired
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 01:18 PM
Oct 2023

While doing great things in FBI Counterintelligence, Strzok exposed, disposed of a spy ring Putin had assembled to work inside the US. Think of the TV show The Americans, it was like that. Trained Russian operatives living in Canada, them moving to the US. Yep, Putin must have REALLY hated Peter Stzrok.

rurallib

(64,688 posts)
22. does this mean he could get charged with perjury after he lies under oath?
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 10:03 AM
Oct 2023

O, gawd, would I love to see that.

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
43. You or I would be charged with perjury
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 04:15 PM
Oct 2023

Trump will receive a stern-ish warning not to do it again or else risk receiving another stern-ish warning.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
44. Trump is justified to be afraid of a perjury trap.
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 05:04 PM
Oct 2023

Trump is justified to be afraid of a perjury trap.

it is impossible to fall into a perjury trap if you tell the truth.

Trump has a legitimate reason to fear a perjury trap.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
25. Garland is to concerned with
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 10:20 AM
Oct 2023

protecting "the Institution".
What he should realize is corrupt institutions aren't worth protecting. Only the glare of sunlight can disinfect them.

appleannie1

(5,457 posts)
27. Does anyone believe he even knows what truth is or that he would honor an oath?
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 10:49 AM
Oct 2023

His truth is what he sees inside his own brain. It is a conglomerate of fantasies, wishes, and dreams. It has nothing to do with reality or truth as we know it. And if they declare he committed perjury, it would be because Biden told them to persecute him. And the really sad part is, his followers would believe that too simply because it is what he is telling them.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
30. everything you say is correct but...
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 10:55 AM
Oct 2023

Perjury is a crime and the truth exists and is relevant in the courts even if not amongst his cult. Thats sort of the premise that ties together everything thats going on in all of Trump's legal affairs right now... he's trying to argue these cases in the media and social media, but the courts don't care about that bullshit.

appleannie1

(5,457 posts)
32. Absolutely and if his crazed followers attempt to storm the prison to free him
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 11:03 AM
Oct 2023

they too might get to share space with their god.

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
36. Always good to have the Dumpster under oath and speaking out loud in court. Probably a lot of
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 11:30 AM
Oct 2023

pleading the 5th, although the Dumpster probably thinks that's for criminals and cowards and might spill the beans anyway.

11 Bravo

(24,310 posts)
42. I don't know what the over/under is on the number of times he perjures himself, but ...
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 03:17 PM
Oct 2023

I'll take the over.

nakocal

(625 posts)
47. Trump lies so much that
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 06:08 PM
Oct 2023

he may not be able to tell fact from fiction. His supporters are too fucking stupid to tell the difference. At least the ones that are not just pure evil Russian agents.

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