Is it worse for Dems if Jordan gets the speaker position or doesn't?

[Quixote1818]

Sorry, I haven't looked into all the details on this and have been extremely busy. If he gets it and the GOP Congress becomes more of a clown show does that win us back the House next fall without too much damage to the Country or is he going to do too much real damage even if we do win the Congress back?

[LuvLoogie]

1. Don't spin your wheels.

It doesn't matter who the GOPs shove up there.

It's all the same stink. All the same bigotry. All the same fascism.

[Pantagruel]

2. GOP simply can't govern.

Evidence abounds , no need for another clown show.

[lapfog_1]

3. better for Democrats... but worse for America and Ukraine

almost guarantees a Democratic House in the next election.

but at the cost of a government shutdown and no funding for Ukraine.

gymsocks jordan is wholly owned by Trump. Trump is wholly owned by Putin

[Quixote1818]

4. Yikes. Probably better to not have him then. Thanks nt

[Zambero]

5. And Putin is aligned with Iran

Not too many degrees of separation there.

[Silent3]

12. Jordan as Speaker would also threaten recognition of a Biden 2024 win

Jordan would gladly lead the House in refusing to certify anyone but Trump as the winner of the next election.

[Music Man]

6. I don't know politically, but my mind never makes that calculation.

Even if a Jim Jordan speakership means it makes Democrats look better and more likely to win an election, I don't want it, because people get hurt in the meantime. And I want to have some pride in my institutions, so I will take a moderate Republican who is interested at least somewhat in governing.

[Silent3]

13. Thank you!

Too many people here are making crass political calculations without considering the collateral damage.

Further, one of the calculations they're failing to make is that no matter how good Jordan makes Democrats look for the next election, when it comes to the presidential election, Jordan would happily try to use the House to deny Biden a second term, which he'd still be in the position to do before an incoming Democratic majority had the chance to replace him.

[sabbat hunter]

7. Short term

it will be worse for the Dems, and the country in general. Longer term it should benefit because Gym is a nut bag.

But I do worry that he will try to do J6 part 2 if he has any power at all post election day 2024, but before Jan 1 2025.

[Cosmocat]

8. He's not the only one

But he 100% will so whatever he can to deny any D who wins potus being seated in office.

[Celerity]

14. the new Congress, sworn in on January 3, 2025, counts the 2024 electoral votes, so hopefully we are

in charge of the House.

https://www.archives.gov/files/electoral-college/state-officials/state-officials-key-dates.pdf



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Electoral_College_vote_count

snip

The 12th Amendment mandates Congress assemble in joint session to count the electoral votes and declare the winners of the election. The Electoral Count Act, a federal law enacted in 1887, further established specific procedures for the counting of the electoral votes by the joint Congress. The session is ordinarily required to take place on January 6 in the calendar year immediately following the meetings of the presidential electors. Since the 20th Amendment, the newly elected joint Congress declares the winner of the election; all elections before 1936 were determined by the outgoing Congress.

A state's certificate of vote can be rejected only if both Houses of Congress, debating separately, vote to accept an objection by a majority in each House. If the objection is approved by both Houses, the state's votes are not included in the count. Individual votes can also be objected to, and are also not counted. If there are no objections or all objections are overruled, the presiding officer simply includes a state's votes, as declared in the certificate of vote, in the official tally. After the certificates from all states are read and the respective votes are counted, the presiding officer simply announces the final state of the vote. This announcement concludes the joint session and formalizes the recognition of the president-elect and of the vice president-elect. The senators then depart from the House chamber. The final tally is printed in the Senate and House journals.

[tinrobot]

9. Forget Dems and politics - he'd be a disaster for the country.

A nutjob like him with that amount of power could cause a lot of damage.

Plus, he'd be third in line for the presidency.

No way.

[haele]

10. Jordan is a nasty little tinpot. His whole goal is to dismantle democracy.

There are two problems his potential "speakership" would bring; he will grind the government to a halt as he continues to try to impeach Biden through Hunter's actions and - if we don't regain the majority of the House back, he will refuse to certify the election. I don't want that risk.

He will not bring any more favors than Kevin McCarthy did, since the Media is in the bag for the GOP anyway; running against Republicans who voted for him and the destruction he is going to cause is not actually going to peel many more voters against them, even in purple/never Trump districts.

GOP voters aren't honest voters; and if they're still GOP, they won't vote for a Democrat in the house unless there is absolutely no option.
Not to mention there are still enough idiots out there who sincerely believe that the President should have either a House or Senate in the opposition party, otherwise he's just going to be too powerful.

Haele

[CentralMass]

11. I think that he is a reprehensible character. We would be better off with someone else.