David, Grusch, and his whistleblower claim

[SteveX]

https://apnews.com/article/ufos-uaps-congress-whistleblower-spy-aliens-ba8a8cfba353d7b9de29c3d906a69ba7

If his claims are true, what are we actually looking at?

Are these crafts old, Are the pilots long gone and we have back engineered their technology and these are the craft we are seeing in the skies today?
Are the pilots still around flying these craft?
Have these craft traveled across the vastness of space to reach earth?
Or have these craft travel through time to reach Earth ?
Does this evidence destroy the fermi paradox, or are these future of humans traveling back in time to visit us?
Are they us ?
The whistleblower made a claim that one of these craft was shot down by Mussolini‘s forces during World War II, and was held onto until after the war, when the United States acquired the craft through a Vatican, back channel. Which immediately reminded me of Bob Lazar‘s account of seeing the hanger doors open showing the multiple craft, he said one of them appeared to have a hole in it, and looked like it was shot down.
One theory being presented by some people is that these are post humans, or future humans traveling back in time to observe us.
One final thought on the issue, if the whistleblowers claims are true, and that these large programs are being funded with money, not appropriated by Congress, and are structured to circumvent the oversight authority of Congress, which is the basis for bringing the whistleblower claim to Congress and the inspector general, doesn’t this confirm part of a “deep state“ ?
There seems to be a long list of ideas of what we are looking at, what are your thoughts on the issue?

[Windicator]

1. ...out there...

[johnp3907]

2. This is definietly worth a watch:

https://www.briandunning.com/ufo/

[SteveX]

4. We are now hearing

That Obama, Trump and Biden have been briefed in on the program.
I really don’t understand how the president can be told about a secret program that has zero oversight and is stealing money from other sources, so it can exist. How can a deep state government with no oversight or funding appropriated by Congress be exposed to the president without criminal implications to those running the program?
Apparently, the whistleblower has turned over the documents to the inspector, general detailing how the program is funded, and the address where the craft are being kept.
in the past I quickly dismissed UFOs and the deep state, today we are staring it in the face.
I don’t know what to think about it anymore?
But clearly we cannot dismiss what is obviously flying around in our sky

[johnp3907]

5. Sources?

[BootinUp]

6. Lol

[SteveX]

8. Have you watched the congressional hearing ?

The sources are high level people in the government, the sources are veteran navy pilots who see these craft daily.
The sources are the instruments we use on our ships and planes.

The inspector general looked over the sources, and thought we needed a congressional hearing on the issue.

[johnp3907]

10. Have you watched the movie I linked in my first reply?

[SteveX]

11. It costs 10$

Of course I didn’t watch it.
“The UFO movie they didn’t want you to see“
That’s because they charge 10 bucks

[johnp3907]

13. Lemme tell you a story:

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A long time ago, in a galaxy not far away at all… in fact it was this very galaxy we’re in right now…. When a movie came out you not only had to pay money to see it, you also had to convey yourself to a place the movie was being shown! So suck it up, Buttercup! If you want answers bad enough to ask questions (in the wrong forum) you can shell out a few measly bucks for those answers!

[SteveX]

15. Wrong forum?

If his whistleblower claims are correct, he just confirmed part of the deep state, operating with funds not appropriated by Congress, operating in a way to circumvent congressional oversight.
This is the very basis of his whistleblower claim that the inspector general deemed legitimate enough to hold a congressional hearing on.
I always thought deep state was a crazy conspiracy, if his claims are correct, then it just means it’s a conspiracy.
The inspector general pushed this forward to Congress. After reviewing the evidence he brought to them, this should scare the living shit out of everybody, because if his claims are true, the implications and the fall out are everywhere.

[johnp3907]

17. Yep. Wrong forum.

[SteveX]

20. Jeeesh

This is a whistleblower, bringing forward, evidence of a program that operates without congressional oversight.
The inspector general, deemed it legitimate enough for a congressional hearing, and Congress has held a hearing on it.
I guess I’m confused as to why this doesn’t fit into a political/general discussion forum, I am a new member, and could be mistaken. Which forum should I post in about a whistleblower at a congressional hearing?

[johnp3907]

24. I agree.

You’re confused.

[BootinUp]

35. What evidence?

I have a suggestion, feel free to ignore it of course. My suggestion is for you to try and discredit this whistleblower by yourself. Go some research on him. Then at least you can say you did that.

[SteveX]

38. "What evidence"

The whistleblower made some extraordinary claims, and I’m sure you believe that requires extraordinary evidence, I agree.
Don’t you think the inspector general knows that as well? After all it was the inspector general, who was handed all the evidence by the whistleblower, not you, and I, that would be absurd.
The inspector general must’ve seen some extraordinary evidence in order to push this forward to a congressional hearing.

[BootinUp]

48. You are weaving fantasies. nt

[MorbidButterflyTat]

28. He was hawking a book

[SteveX]

39. That's not his book.

The book talks about his claims, like lots of books do.
I suppose he wrote all those books as well.

[Polybius]

19. Trailers look good, but before I spend $9.99 for the full movie...

Does it say yeah UFO's are real, or is it a skeptical movie that does debunking?

[SteveX]

21. It talks about the congressional hearing

And the UAP videos released and the ones confirmed by the Pentagon.
The congressional hearing in itself contains far more information.

[Polybius]

22. From the trailers it seems it

But a few replies above you said you didn't but it.

[edhopper]

3. He was not credible

and offered no evidence, only hearsay.

Another in a long list of UFO nothing burgers.

[SteveX]

7. And if he isn't credible

Then the inspector general really messed up when they looked over his whistleblower claims and decided it was credible enough for a congressional hearing.
He handed over the documents of how the program was being funded, and where the craft were being kept, the inspector general is investigating right now, perhaps you should tell them they are wasting their time as you have deemed him as not credible.
Are you also claiming that the Navy veteran pilots that are witnessing these craft daily for years are mistaken?
They testified to Congress, if these people are lying, they go to jail.
So tell me again, why his whistleblower claims are not credible in your view?

[edhopper]

9. Yep

I am saying that.

The Navy pilots see UAPs, unidentified, not "crafts".

Mick West has pretty much explained what they saw.

I do love the pro "UFOs are alien crafts" false argument you use though.

[SteveX]

12. Ummmm

The navy pilots are claiming they saw “objects“
The navy pilots are claiming they saw “flying TicTac’s“

It is clear that you have not reviewed the congressional hearing.
I’m sorry to see you take such committed positions on some thing you haven’t even looked at.

[edhopper]

23. Never said lying

just mistaken

[SteveX]

25. Ok

So Mick West is explaining what the 4 pilots saw with their own eyes from different perspectives?

That gives me pause

[edhopper]

26. I use this as my guide to UFOs

“Unidentified” does not equal “aliens”: Sources often conflate sightings of something in the sky with extraterrestrials. Most UFOs become IFOs (identified flying objects).
Just because alien life is possible, it doesn’t mean they’re here: Many confuse the fact that astronomers believe, on a statistical basis, that life (even intelligent life) may exist elsewhere in the universe with the idea that such life has already been discovered by being glimpsed in our skies. It hasn’t.
We can’t identify everything: There are always going to be some unresolved sightings, often where very little is known or recorded.
UFO enthusiasts are everywhere: There are always going to be officials among the sprawling defense agencies who have to take reports of UFOs or UAPs seriously, as well as politicians for whom UFO controversies serve their particular ends.
Talk to the actual experts: When possible, it’s best to seek out independent, knowledgeable scientific and technical sources, not just enthusiasts and believers. CSI can connect journalists to these experts.
Anecdote is not data: Statements from sources such as, “It flew away at speeds unimaginable” or “turned in a way impossible for any aircraft today” are not reliable.
Remember Occam’s razor: Even highly advanced imaging equipment is susceptible to errors and human misinterpretations. Plausible, terrestrial explanations have been advanced for all the U.S. Navy videos that have caused so much fuss.

[SteveX]

40. It seems

A lot of theory’s don’t involve aliens.

The whistleblower made this very clear.

[Rafi]

31. He offered a lot more to the IGs for Intelligence and Defense

Both deemed his information urgent and serious. The IG for Intelligence has conducted followup, but his findings along with those by the Senate Committee that interviewed the people Grusch said had evidence are not being made public. There are dozens of whistleblowers that have not come forth publicly that have testified in closed door interviews.

Possible sources of human, or non-human intelligence that are utilizing the craft seen in our skies are either imo: 1) Extra-terrestrial, 2) extra-tempestrial (time travelers) 3) a hidden civilization that exists on earth, possibly for thousands of years, under the artic, or the oceans 4) extra-dimensional, or some combination of the above. The extra -terrestrial has received the most emphasis for decades, but some of the whistleblowers, including Grusch seem to imply the is more to it than that.

There are two main reasons, imo, that there has ben a coverup maintained for decades. One is that there is serious criminal liability for some involved in the illegal use of government funding. The other is that the truth is truly earthshattering and will disrupt things to an unmanageable extent. The most important claim by Grusch, which is mostly being ignored, but has been reported by others, is that there has been contact and agreements reached with the "others".

Whatever the truth, I say get it out and let's deal with it.

[edhopper]

33. Nah

none of that is remotely real.

But enjoy what ever planet you currently live on.

[Rafi]

36. Well I guess do to your extensive research that is the last word.

Why don't you publish some of it?

[edhopper]

43. I did publish it

when I said none of that is real.

[SteveX]

44. You never saw the hearing

Yet dismiss all of it.

I’m worried for this country

[Rafi]

45. I have a strong sense that doesn't qualify as research. Sorry.

Next.

[SteveX]

34. That is what I was thinking.

But I never expected people on this board to attack military personnel with name calling like republicans do.
Here it is.

[MineralMan]

14. My thoughts? Wackadoos.

[SteveX]

16. And if that's the case

Then we need to take a closer look at what the inspector general is doing, why would he pass forward, the craziest conspiracies for a congressional hearing ?
Why would they even offer this man whistleblower protection ?

[SteveX]

18. Really?

Those navy pilots as well?

If that’s the case, then they lied to congress, and they are flying our fighter jets around our skies.

Seems like a story in itself.

[Rafi]

37. At least your honest enough to admit

your thoughts are wackadoos. Oh wait. Did I misconstrue?

[SteveX]

41. It appears

The post implies the navy pilots and the whistleblower are wackadoos.

[Rafi]

46. I know. Just being a sarcastic sob.

Thanks

[MorbidButterflyTat]

27. Deep Throat

and Cigarette Smoking Man know all about it.

They've been cloning human-alien hybrids, and have manufactured bees that are carrying the smallpox virus.

The truth is out there.



Actual Alien Photo:

[Kid Berwyn]

29. 10 reasons to take UFOs seriously

10 reasons to take UFOs seriously

BY MARIK VON RENNENKAMPFF
The Hill, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 01/19/23

In recent years, military aviators frequently encountered mysterious objects in tightly controlled training airspace. According to eyewitness accounts and leaked sensor data, the craft appeared to exhibit flight dynamics that bent – if not shattered – the laws of physics. In the most notable incidents, objects appeared to maneuver and move through the air without wings or discernible means of propulsion.

1. Military pilots and other service members reported more than 500 additional UFO incidents. Some appeared to demonstrate highly advanced technology.

In 2019, intense congressional interest led the U.S. Navy to institute a formal UFO reporting mechanism. Since then, aviators and other service members have reported a staggering 510 UFO encounters (including some historical incidents dating as far back as 1996).

Of the 366 recently-reported UFO encounters, about half remain unidentified. A previous assessment identified only one out of 144 UFO reports. Despite many of the mysterious objects registering on multiple sophisticated sensor systems (such as spy satellites, radar and infrared video), the majority of the 510 military UFO reports remain unidentified.

According to intelligence analysts, some of the objects appear to demonstrate “unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities.” Such cases, according to the U.S. government, “require further analysis.” Moreover, “[s]ome [UFOs] appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernible means of propulsion.”

Despite heavy redactions, declassified UFO reports make clear that fighter pilots are frequently left stunned – and exasperated – by such encounters.

Intriguingly, officials have high confidence that the objects observed by military aviators in recent years are not secret U.S. government aircraft or technology. At the same time, analysts have no evidence that the encounters “are indicative of a major technological advancement by a potential adversary” such as China or Russia.

The years since these encounters became public have seen numerous developments that should prompt us to take UFOs seriously.

Continues…

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3819643-10-reasons-to-take-ufos-seriously/

The writer worked for the Obama administration.

[Midnight Writer]

30. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. "Unidentified" does not mean "aliens from another planet".

They could be. But I am not seeing the evidence needed to convince me.

[Rafi]

32. The evidence compiled for decades, is overwhelming if

you've been paying attention. Most haven't.
But, again, what it is evidence of is still to be determined.

[SteveX]

42. There is an obvious explanation for that

The inspector general also believes that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the evidence was handed to the inspector general who looked it over and deemed it legitimate enough to push to Congress for a hearing.

Don’t you think it would be extremely strange if the whistleblower violated his whistleblower protections just to hand you and I classified information so we could be satisfied?

The fact that you dismiss all of this, because the evidence wasn’t handed to you just doesn’t hold up in my mind.

[Rafi]

47. Exactly. Not to mention testifying under oath and lying to the IG and or congress carries

sever criminal penalties.