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LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 02:29 PM Oct 2023

Zionism is not the same as Judaism Quotable

@ParissaKhoury
3 days ago
As an orthodox jew. I support the creation of a free and independent Palestinian state. This will end all the violence. As Jews we need to accept that Israel is the occupying force and we need to do the right thing and give Palestinians their own independent state free from Israeli interferences. ISRAEL, USA AND UK NEED TO STOP THE GENOCIDE TAKING PLACE ON THE OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN LANDS or history wont be kind to them as it wasn't to the Nazis and every other occupation.


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Zionism is not the same as Judaism Quotable (Original Post) LiberalArkie Oct 2023 OP
Can I ask why you do not believe there should be a self determining Jewish state in their ancestral homeland? LexVegas Oct 2023 #1
Squirrel! inthewind21 Oct 2023 #3
Because consistenly using "ancestral homeland" as a basis for state formation is insane DBoon Oct 2023 #4
Maybe all of the United States should be returned to Native Americans SocialDemocrat61 Oct 2023 #7
I have Jewish ancestors. On my way to throw some old Palestinian lady out of her house and steal it. Oneironaut Oct 2023 #8
That's not what happens Mosby Oct 2023 #20
Amnisty International disagrees with you Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #29
That's a aljazeera oped. Mosby Oct 2023 #33
Israel does now exist. You believe it should not? nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #11
Do you expect Israel to disband? Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #26
No different for Palestineans Major Nikon Oct 2023 #31
Amazing the people who will rush to a RW source to prop up their stance. Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #5
They'll sidle right up to that line of actually saying they don't believe that Israel should exist. nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #9
This OP is disgusting. Mosby Oct 2023 #28
You posted this twice. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2023 #2
INSIDE the anti-Zionist community living in the HEART of Jerusalem LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 2023 #13
And help keep edhopper Oct 2023 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author debm55 Oct 2023 #32
I see it's time to pop open the Big Book of Minorities Who Agree With Me Sympthsical Oct 2023 #10
Just dealt with that in regard to the definition of anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #15
Genital osmosis is widely recognized as the best method to understand culture Sympthsical Oct 2023 #18
Lumpia! I miss lumpia! Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #21
Costco is not bad Sympthsical Oct 2023 #24
I don't think anyone should quote a source that doesn't believe in Israel's right to exist ismnotwasm Oct 2023 #12
I feel like we're this close to getting a Jews for Jesus viewpoint posted Sympthsical Oct 2023 #14
I really do not think so. This post was really about those that were in Palestine way before the LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #16
Holy fucking shit. nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #17
I guess we're just going to keep digging, then . . . Sympthsical Oct 2023 #22
Jews did what now? ismnotwasm Oct 2023 #19
Zionists were in Israel decades before WWII Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #30
Jews were making Aliyah to Israel in the 1200s. Mosby Oct 2023 #35
The son of Hamas founder risks his life to speak the truth! His words are impactful as he condemns Hamas LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #23
Thank you claudette Oct 2023 #27
You'd have to be pretty naive to believe the creation of a Palestinean state will end all violence Major Nikon Oct 2023 #34

LexVegas

(6,959 posts)
1. Can I ask why you do not believe there should be a self determining Jewish state in their ancestral homeland?
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 02:36 PM
Oct 2023

DBoon

(24,987 posts)
4. Because consistenly using "ancestral homeland" as a basis for state formation is insane
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 02:48 PM
Oct 2023

Palestine has not been a homeland for the Jews since the days of the Roman Empire.

England has not been the homeland for Celtic Britons since maybe 500AD. Should the Anglo-Saxons be removed so Britons can reclaim their ancestral homeland?

The Navajo people have been in Arizona since 1,000 AD, having emigrated from Canada. Should the Navajo be expatriated to Canada so the descendants of the Ancestral Pueblo peoples can reclaim their ancestral homeland?

SocialDemocrat61

(7,647 posts)
7. Maybe all of the United States should be returned to Native Americans
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 02:59 PM
Oct 2023

It is their ancestral homeland after all.

Oneironaut

(6,299 posts)
8. I have Jewish ancestors. On my way to throw some old Palestinian lady out of her house and steal it.
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:03 PM
Oct 2023

It’s my birthright! /s

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
20. That's not what happens
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:46 PM
Oct 2023

And Israel has the right, just like any other country in the world, to develop their own immigration policies.



 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
33. That's a aljazeera oped.
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 04:04 PM
Oct 2023

There are Muslim Arabs, Druze, Christians and lots of secular Jews who live in settlements.

And I was responding to your comment about birthright, people who obtain Israeli citizenship live all over Israel, not just settlements. You do realize this, right?

Does Israel have a right or not to decide who can be a citizen?

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
26. Do you expect Israel to disband?
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:52 PM
Oct 2023

You didn’t say so explicitly, but your reply suggests that possibility?

Behind the Aegis

(56,108 posts)
5. Amazing the people who will rush to a RW source to prop up their stance.
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 02:52 PM
Oct 2023

To be clear, I am talking about the supposedly liberal Al-Jazeera quoting a RW Jew who doesn't believe in the existence of Israel for religious reasons.

LexVegas

(6,959 posts)
9. They'll sidle right up to that line of actually saying they don't believe that Israel should exist. nt
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:06 PM
Oct 2023
 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
28. This OP is disgusting.
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:56 PM
Oct 2023

I actually watched a bit of that video, he claims Mizrahi Jews threaten them and aren't really Jews at all. It's like giving the Westboro Baptist Church an international platform and claiming that they represent true new Testament Christianity.

If this gets worse the owners are going to have to step in or something.

Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #6)

Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #6)

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
10. I see it's time to pop open the Big Book of Minorities Who Agree With Me
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:11 PM
Oct 2023

Always a fun way to pass time.

Don't like it when the gays are getting politically rowdy? No problem! Find the one gay guy with a vested interest in taking your side and prop him up so hard Gallagher would criticize you for being a little too much.

Dislike what you're hearing from the Black community? It's totally fine! Just tell us about that Black Friend you have who also thinks exactly as you do.

It's the Big Book of Minorities Who Agree With Me. On sale everywhere - but especially on social media.

Behind the Aegis

(56,108 posts)
15. Just dealt with that in regard to the definition of anti-Semitism.
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:31 PM
Oct 2023

I had a poster (an ethnic minority to boot) pull out the "some of my best friends" trope claiming her "very Jewish Hebrew professor" said anti-Semitism refers to Arabs and therefore they can't be anti-Semites. Pretty much when someone drags out the "my best friends" trope, be it like what I just described, a breakdown of who they have or are fucking, the Jew they once saw in a movie, and that one time at band camp when someone claiming to be a Jew agreed with them, it demonstrates the weakness of their position and they have to resort to a host of logical fallacies.

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
18. Genital osmosis is widely recognized as the best method to understand culture
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:44 PM
Oct 2023

Sorry, "a breakdown of who they have or are fucking" is so true, and I guffaw/coughed coffee when reading it.

The only culture that's not my own that I can pretty comfortably discuss with some authority is Filipino. Partner, his rather large family who are at my house all the time for some reason, all of his friends, then like half of my friends somehow. I am marinating in cultural adobo.

But yeah, once you exchange fluids, you're practically an honorary member of any ethnicity or culture you're arguing about online. That's the widely accepted rule.

God, I must be like Epcot over here.

Behind the Aegis

(56,108 posts)
21. Lumpia! I miss lumpia!
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:46 PM
Oct 2023

Your post reminded me of a staff member I had whose mother used to bring me lumpia for helping her daughter. I loved it! I have never had any since that compared to hers.

Oh and as for being Epcot, join the club! LOL!

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
24. Costco is not bad
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:51 PM
Oct 2023

Really good homemade is incomparable. But my partner's family and friends often just get the Costco frozen Baguio brand and call it a day, lol.

They're really good, tho.

ismnotwasm

(42,674 posts)
12. I don't think anyone should quote a source that doesn't believe in Israel's right to exist
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:22 PM
Oct 2023

Because that’s messed up

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
14. I feel like we're this close to getting a Jews for Jesus viewpoint posted
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:25 PM
Oct 2023

At this point, go nuts. Can't be any worse, can it?

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
16. I really do not think so. This post was really about those that were in Palestine way before the
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:33 PM
Oct 2023

Zionists moved in around WW2 and brought in the European and Slavic Jews into the New Israel or Zion.

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
30. Zionists were in Israel decades before WWII
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:58 PM
Oct 2023

Since about 1900, in fact. Many European Jews emigrated to Palestine in the early decades of the 20th c to escape growing European Antisemitism. Heck the British first suggested a Jewish homeland in the Mandate of Palestine in the 1920’s.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
35. Jews were making Aliyah to Israel in the 1200s.
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 04:14 PM
Oct 2023

Call and Response: European Jewish Emigration to Egypt and Palestine in the Middle Ages

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1455396

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
23. The son of Hamas founder risks his life to speak the truth! His words are impactful as he condemns Hamas
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:49 PM
Oct 2023

The son of Hamas founder risks his life to speak the truth! His words are impactful as he condemns Hamas and the BDS that is prevalent internationally.


https://www.instagram.com/reel/CygNBOHr6tt/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link


I guess is your Jews for Jesus post you were waiting for? Strange comment.

Major Nikon

(36,925 posts)
34. You'd have to be pretty naive to believe the creation of a Palestinean state will end all violence
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 04:07 PM
Oct 2023

There is no political solution that's going to end violence based on religion.

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