Could it be that some in the House feel the heat of the Special Counsel breathing down on them?

[kentuck]

Jim Jordan, especially. He wanted to use the Speakership to protect himself?

As did many that voted to make him Speaker?

There are a lot of guilty Congressmen that were involved with the insurrection of January 6th. In fact, the majority of Republicans that voted to not certify Joe Biden as President were probably in the conspiracy.

This fight in the Republican Party is really about their survival and their desire to stay hidden from the criminal investigation. And what roles each of them played in the attempted coup to overthrow an election?

[Scottie Mom]

1. Hopefully! EOM

[Faux pas]

2. Yes Please!

That would be spectacular

[NotHardly]

6. Perfect post

[Faux pas]

30. Lol

Thank you NotHardly

[AnotherMother4Peace]

3. That, & no one wants to be associated with the sordid hijinks of boebart, gaetz, greene, Gym etc.

Hell - Everyone is beginning to distance themselves from that morally rotten little corner of the grand old pervert party.

[ShazzieB]

15. And that distancing is a great thing to see!

Some of the GOP seem to be waking up from the "scared to death of DJT" coma they've been in for the last however many years and finding their voices. I hope more and more of them continue to do that.

[multigraincracker]

4. A Democratic sweep 2024

November will have them shaking and lawyering up.

[Wounded Bear]

10. Your keyboard to god's monitor...nt

[brooklynite]

5. Imaging indictment of Members of Congress may be fun...

…but it will never happen.

Anything they said and voted on is covered by the Speech and Debate clause. Anything they did would require proof of intent.

[TomSlick]

7. True but participating in the planning of the coup, as did Gym Jordan,

is not covered by the Speech and Debate Clause.

[brooklynite]

19. Show us the evidence they helped plan it.

Jack Smith didn’t indict any or list any as unindicted co-conspirators

[TomSlick]

41. Liz Chaney seems confident.

She has access to more facts than I.

[usonian]

8. I suspect that sitting congresspeople are off limits to prosecutors, for various reasons.

Until they aren't sitting any more.

Silence was their "protection" from the ultra right wing, but that does seem to be crumbling, especially after the clown show they put on in the house.



It's entirely about:



Ask "the loser"

[karynnj]

34. Senator Menendez, for one? There have been congressmen and Senators indicted

It may be that Smith does not have enough proof of crimes to charge them at this point.

[usonian]

38. Maybe caution. Maybe overload.

DOJ doesn't brief me. Attorney General Me would be laying seditious conspiracy charges on role players in the Coup aux Folles.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. There were kingpins, and there were followers

Some followed party, some followed campaign cash, some were pawns in the brotherhood.

TFG tried to turn society on its head and substitute his concept of law for the norms of rule of law, turn the executive branch inside out, replacing bureaucrats with loyalists, expunge the Deep State. Is Congress doing similar things with Hunter Biden's laptop and Biden investigations? As they weaponize committees they project onto existing frameworks as the evil ones. Turning reality inside out. Rewriting the narrative, point the finger over there! So far, no cigar.

[Irish_Dem]

11. Of course, this is a big part of what is happening.

They are in hot water J6 wise and know it.

[hibbing]

12. There are a lot of unanswered questions n/t

[ancianita]

13. It not only could be, it is. This guy has the goods on their aiding/abetting & being accessories.

Raymond Hulser, chief the DOJ's Public Integrity Division, is Jack Smith's lead investigator of congressional members.

If anyone's got the evidence and evidence of intent, it's Hulser.
(The PID handles mafia, money laundering and corruption cases)

He's currently on the Menendez case, among others.

[ecstatic]

14. Yes, and this is a continuation of their coup plot.

They are essentially "overthrowing" Congress by not getting their shit together. How much shit will be put on hold as a result of this? I hope to God that Pres Biden and democrats are figuring out ways to get around their endless obstruction. If the choice is theirs, the government will shut down indefinitely.

[malaise]

16. Same with the Gaetz of hell

Lock them up.

[former9thward]

17. There is no evidence any members of Congress are in Smith's sights.

It would have happened by now.

[gab13by13]

18. Yup, House Magats have immunity,

Scott Perry would be indicted by now, instead he is on the committee attacking the FBI. His phone was seized 1 1/2 years ago and a judge just ruled that messages on his phone fall under the speech and debate clause of Congress. The FBI can look at messages of him ordering lunch.

[ancianita]

21. It can't happen in that order. The DC conviction of Trump has to happen first.

lol "there is no evidence." That you know of.

[former9thward]

23. It can happen in any order if the evidence is there.

If someone is waiting for a Trump conviction, and then the appeals, the statute of limitations will have long run.

[ancianita]

24. That's not what the law says.

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They have to aid and abet a crime. They have to be an accessory after the fact of a crime.

Trump has been charged with multiple crimes.
Only one has to be proven. But it has to be the right one,

Only then will he have committed a crime that aiders/abetters and accessories can be charged for.

So even if there is evidence -- and there are call transcripts, texts, etc. -- it won't be evidence that can convict them at any time -- only when he is convicted of the crime that they actually aide/abetted/accessories, etc. Then the evidence is relevant.


https://www.ce9.uscourts.gov/jury-instructions/node/367


https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-2471-18-usc-2

[hydrolastic]

35. You may have a point there. It' maddening that the participants

Just seem to be getting away with "Insurrection". I think of this all the time how can the same people like Hawley and Loudermouth stay in power when we saw them commit crimes? Loudermouth by giving tours of the capital on Jan 5. Hawley by rallying the throngs with his fist pump. (Is that aid and comfort?) also idk where I read it but wasn't Ted Cruz supposed to take over the reading of the ballots after Pence was taken away? you can't tell me that there wasn't a plan in place. If your right and there has to be a conviction of TFG to prove a crime on the lower guys. Then we are a very long way from that happening considering the pace of everything so far.

[ancianita]

36. The LAW. It may have a point? Just because

people here want their justice served up asap, doesn't mean Jack Smith's team doesn't know what it's doing. Jack Smith's team is not flawed in not serving up indictments on anyone's timeline; the Smith/Garland DOJ is not failing to enforce the law.
Folks just can't delay gratification.

They all need to remember that Smith said:

“I intend to conduct the assigned investigations, and any prosecutions that may result from them, independently and in the best traditions of the Department of Justice. The pace of the investigations will not pause or flag under my watch,” Smith said in a written statement. “I will exercise independent judgement and will move the investigations forward expeditiously and thoroughly to whatever outcome the facts and the law dictate.”

Keep the faith instead of frustration. Folks need to stop finding fault with this DOJ, and buck up. Check the record. When the law is enforced under Garland's watch, it sticks. No conviction overturns.

The same will hold with aiding/abetting and accessories of congress critters -- WHEN -- not if -- Jack Smith convicts Trump & his RICO legal team. That timeline is driven by the courts' schedules of proceedings.

[brooklynite]

31. I seem to recall that for 2 years the armchair prosecutors were telling us all the evidence was available...

[ancianita]

33. Please enlighten.

[brooklynite]

37. Go back to any discussion of Merrick Garland starting in the summer of 2021.

[ancianita]

39. Since it's your recollection, why not link any relevant discussion from the archive, then.

Don't know what your point is, really, but I'm too busy right now to help you make/prove it.

[onenote]

20. Highly doubtful.

[c-rational]

22. That does explain a lot.

[spanone]

25. K&R

[dchill]

26. I'm guessing that the list of culpable insurrectionists...

... is the same as the list of Republicans who voted for Jim Jordan to be Speaker of the House.

[bobby202]

28. read the whole j-6 report ! there is a bunch of names in there ?

SC worked there way up the ladder & just getting good going down the ladder ! There was 147 mentioned in early '22 ! I don't think not many will get off the hook !

[czarjak]

27. Start with the cretins that asked for pardons. Now!

[kentuck]

29. I think most of them knew about it...

But a few were actively involved, and they are the ones that want the insurrectionists in charge of the House. Somehow, in my opinion, it makes them feel secure if they are in power. The person actually behind the removal of Kevin McCarthy was the former president, Donald J Trump. Gaetz would not have attempted something like that on his own.

There are very few of them that will ever be threatened with jail. They are more fearful of losing their jobs to a primary challenger if their participation is exposed.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

32. I believe in Karma...

And it has to be eating away at any, like Gymbag Jordan, that they will eventually have to pay for their sins.

It is a matter of time now.

[The Bopper]

40. Wait what??

Don’t you know there are 10’s of people out there that would riot-er-whine noisily about Civil grouchiness and general poo pooing things up. Too bad Garland doesn’t have Jack Smith sized balls.