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[Tomconroy]

1. I know this is fox news so I won't link to it but this is coming:

"NEW: Hamas militants were told by commanders to behead Israelis and cut their feet on October 7th, according to an Israeli interrogation video obtained and reviewed by Fox News.

A militant in his 20s also describes how Hamas used Telegram to share videos in real time as they conducted the massacre.

This militant says his commander, a man from Gaza City, told them they should not expect to return. We’ve left out some incredibly graphic details about what Hamas did to the bodies of women they slaughtered. They are too disturbing to explain on TV."

[Tomconroy]

3. You'll have another excuse when the video is released

So start working on it.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

5. Welcome to DU,

I think.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

9. You're funny,

we've experienced a lot of trolls lately, not saying you are, but if you're not one, then a hearty welcome.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

13. Good to hear and am looking forward to conversing with you.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

16. Are you by chance Austrailian, New Zeeland or English?

I ask this because I served with all 3 branches of their equivalent of combat engineers, in Vietnam, the Aussies were fearsome and the VC had bounties out on their heads.

[madaboutharry]

12. I didn't read about any backing off at all.

I read confirmation of headless bodies, including babies.

And by the way, why bring up the USS Liberty? In case you don’t know that is code in certain circles.

For someone claiming support of Israel you seem to have a fixation on the detail of whether the decapitations were from knives or firepower. Does it really matter?
They found babies without heads. The military first on the scene saw what they saw. They didn’t perform forensic test at the massacre sites.

[paleotn]

23. Hamas doesn't have an air force.

[Emrys]

28. That's a bit nitpicky when the person you're replying to

could have used the phrase "firing shells/missiles at" or near equivalents. I think it was clear what was meant.

[Disaffected]

29. That's not the point.

The point is, Hamas has other means of effectively delivering explosive devices - rockets, RPGs etc. It doesn't need an air force to do it.

[paleotn]

22. Going off topic? Usually means you're losing an argument. Whataboutism.

[Mosby]

6. That's not the headline of the article.

Why is it important for you to determine the exact number of beheadings?

[Emrys]

14. Any hesitancy in repeating as gospel information coming out of a war zone is just a sane response.

None of us know the truth of any of these matters this soon after events. There will be plenty of verifiable horrors given time.

You may well be piled on early in your time on DU, however long that is, but that doesn't seem to phaze you, nor should it as long as you're looking for truth. That should be welcome here.

We've been through this mill with stories coming out of Ukraine at various times. Another conflict elsewhere shouldn't be any different.

[Emrys]

19. It sounds like we have a similar outlook of skepticism.

That sometimes isn't a popular or clickworthy stance online, not just on DU (I've been through my own roastings from time to time, here and elsewhere), but it is what it is.

[Disaffected]

30. Hang in Steve.

Logic and reason are sometimes sadly in short supply in these here parts.

[sarisataka]

10. You link the claim to Israel

But the IDF never made the claim (of 40 beheaded babies ). It was a reporter who combined several different statements into the headline and later admitted he was wrong.

The original spokesman said there were at least 40 dead. Men, women even babies killed. Some with their heads cut.

[ornotna]

15. What do you gain to keep trying to diminish this story?

According to Bublil, “This was not combat, or a military conflict, or a state conflict, or a political conflict. [Hamas] enjoyed the murders so much that they did everything they could do to celebrate the killing. They celebrated burning houses with civilians inside who didn’t do anything to them. They enjoyed grabbing an 18-year-old girl from a party, a festival, dragging her to a car, and taking her to Gaza. And who knows what happened [to her] in between. They enjoyed and celebrated the death. … These are monsters. They’re not human… They weren’t merciful to anyone. No one who was alive and encountered them remained alive. No one.”

[dalton99a]

21. +1. They also executed hostages

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/09/israel-hamas-hostage-death/
Video shows apparent death of Israeli hostages in Hamas custody
By Meg Kelly and Sarah Cahlan
October 9, 2023 at 2:29 p.m. EDT

[paleotn]

24. The poster is stirring the shit and then claiming we shouldn't enflame the situation.

Kind of weird really.

[Skwishy]

20. There have been in inaccuracies from both sides

On the Israel side, the beheadings story was spread despite being false. On the Palestinian side blame on Israel for the hospital bombing was spread despite being false.

[paleotn]

26. The children were murdered by barbaric scum who should be hunted down and destroyed.

The means of the children's murder is irrelevant in my mind.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

34. Not even the same universe.

In the first case, the babies were murdered one way or another, and we know by whom. Knowing the actual method doesn't change anything in weighing morality.

On the other hand, knowing who bombed a hospital very much changes how we should view whomever did it.

[4lbs]

25. This why I have my 10:100 rule.

Within the first 10 hours of something "sensational", the truth is often not stated and misinformation rules the day. Everyone says whatever, and the truth is usually something that is 'discovered' later.

People would rather comment and hyperventilate in the first 10 hours. Accusations abound and fly all over the place in that time.

I wait 100 hours, or just over 4 days (4 x 24 = 96 hours). Then the REAL information starts flowing, but many people don't care or want to care. I do, however.

Instead, many of the same people that get histrionic and comment/post crazy about something in the first 10 hours, somehow go into ignore mode after 100 hours. They usually move onto something else.

My motto has always been "I don't care if it is first, I care that it is correct."

[Army Brat]

27. Babies were murdered - does it really matter how?

No lower people on earth.

[TexasDem69]

33. This wasn't bombs though

Hamas murdered children, either by shooting them, burning them, or beheading them (or maybe more than one). So the takeaway is that Hamas is comprised of a bunch of child murderers and should be eliminated, root and stem. Wouldn’t you agree?

[BlueCheeseAgain]

32. Did you join DU just to litigate this question?

I hope you don't mind me saying that is a very strange issue on which to stand and fight. You take an article about horrible atrocities, and that's what you took from it?

Did anyone in an official position actually claim 40 babies were beheaded? Or was it one of those social media things where people took two different things and put them together?