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It's time to talk about Trump's mental decline (Original Post) AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 OP
He's also a pathological liar Fritz Walter Oct 2023 #1
He's an all-around shit person JoseBalow Oct 2023 #14
Now that Powell has agreed to plead guilty in exchange for her testimony, Ocelot II Oct 2023 #2
He can't do that because privilege cannot be used to cover the commission of a crime. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #5
Of course; but he'd have tried anyhow just for the purpose of delay. Ocelot II Oct 2023 #7
I'm talking law, you are talking psychological strategy. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #8
Think about the fact he is not even trying for a delay, his go to tactic. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #23
You'd think more people would be talking about this very thing. calimary Oct 2023 #3
This is not mental decline at all. It is just his usual psychopath lying. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #4
Nah. The housekeeper took the day off, tending her sick kid. Sidney was there dusting the rooms. 3Hotdogs Oct 2023 #24
So what was she then an advisor? A buddy a pal? Whatever I don't see how it even matters WTF she was GuppyGal Oct 2023 #6
All his priv claims have been denied in courts getagrip_already Oct 2023 #9
Reflex mendacity. no_hypocrisy Oct 2023 #10
Many examples of his decline. This is not one of them. Actually, there is basis for tRump's claim Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2023 #11
This does seem more like a lie than decline but if Powell wasn't working for Trump, who was LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #16
She was working for tRump Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2023 #17
makes sense, thanks LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #18
according to trump powell was part of a "truly great team, added to our other wonderful lawyers orleans Oct 2023 #19
Most don't care about his mental decline, just about his competence to stand trial, be convicted, then jailed. ancianita Oct 2023 #12
If Trump experienced any more "mental decline" he would become a snail in search of a Cadillac. world wide wally Oct 2023 #13
Look at that S-car go! JoseBalow Oct 2023 #15
... orleans Oct 2023 #20
I don't think that what Trump says, about any incident is, in any way, relevent to the legal procedures. Chainfire Oct 2023 #21
We can talk about Trump's mental decline, but it doesn't matter to the brainwashed cult. Vinca Oct 2023 #22

Ocelot II

(130,850 posts)
2. Now that Powell has agreed to plead guilty in exchange for her testimony,
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 11:16 AM
Oct 2023

wouldn't it make more sense for TFG to invoke the privilege and claim she was acting as his attorney and that he was relying on her advice? But he doesn't think strategically, just reactively - so whenever someone associated with him gets in trouble he just reflexively distances himself from them.

Ocelot II

(130,850 posts)
7. Of course; but he'd have tried anyhow just for the purpose of delay.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 11:35 AM
Oct 2023

Now he can't even do that.

Irish_Dem

(81,869 posts)
23. Think about the fact he is not even trying for a delay, his go to tactic.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:12 PM
Oct 2023

What is that telling us?

It is telling us that Trump is very worried about SP's testimony.
He wants to distance her as much as possible.

calimary

(90,327 posts)
3. You'd think more people would be talking about this very thing.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 11:21 AM
Oct 2023

The drumbeat should DEFINITELY start. And start NOW while it has time to build and take hold.

3Hotdogs

(15,439 posts)
24. Nah. The housekeeper took the day off, tending her sick kid. Sidney was there dusting the rooms.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 12:06 AM
Oct 2023

GuppyGal

(1,748 posts)
6. So what was she then an advisor? A buddy a pal? Whatever I don't see how it even matters WTF she was
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 11:34 AM
Oct 2023

or wasn't. He fucked.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
9. All his priv claims have been denied in courts
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 11:59 AM
Oct 2023

Exec, lawyer, presidential, all of it has been stripped away piece by piece.

He is playing to the public, not the courts with this argument. It means nothing to his charges whether she changed his diapers or filed his briefs.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
11. Many examples of his decline. This is not one of them. Actually, there is basis for tRump's claim
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 12:17 PM
Oct 2023

Just being in a conversation in the Oval Office is more akin to an Adviser than a personal attorney. Even if the person is a lawyer, it is not automatically client-attorney conversation.

Asking to be appointed Special Counsel is not the same as being a personal attorney.

Being appointed Special Counsel (good thing she never was) is the nothing like being a personal attorney, though there is little doubt that she would have slavishly worked against his personal targets.

The Oval Office conversation is not evidence that tRump's claim is demented.


There is lots of other evidence of his decline. Confusion over World Wars, airports in the Revolutionary War, mixing people up, repeating himself, devolving into word salad as he gets more confused about some point he thinks he is making.

LymphocyteLover

(9,957 posts)
16. This does seem more like a lie than decline but if Powell wasn't working for Trump, who was
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 02:06 PM
Oct 2023

she working for?

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
17. She was working for tRump
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 02:51 PM
Oct 2023

Lawyers are not always working in lawyer mode. Sometimes they work in other modes. "Hey, we should print t-shirts that say Stop the Steal and others that say Civil War 2 Has Begun", "I can go on a show and talk about Releasing the Kraken!"

Like a submarine commander might work as a carpenter for Habitat for Humanity.

She was working for tRump, but not as a lawyer. The reason is that there are some protocols around when lawyers are actually working as official counsel and those protocols are a little more complicated for government officials. I'm sure she was not officially his lawyer.

That all said, she undoubtedly make comments and suggestions on legal aspects of the insurrection, but not officially as his lawyer.

There are technicalities and then there is reality, of course.

But in the end, it doesn't matter, NOW, since tRump voluntarily took away his own "acting on advice of attorneys" defence with regard to Powell. So she can't be bound by attorney-client privilege in the Georgia case, even if it could be asserted (can't be because advice in process of committing crime or aiding and abetting crime is not protected). This probably also frees Jack Smith to use her testimony and record of testimony wherever he likes.

orleans

(37,038 posts)
19. according to trump powell was part of a "truly great team, added to our other wonderful lawyers
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:02 PM
Oct 2023

and representatives"



ancianita

(43,313 posts)
12. Most don't care about his mental decline, just about his competence to stand trial, be convicted, then jailed.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 12:25 PM
Oct 2023
 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
21. I don't think that what Trump says, about any incident is, in any way, relevent to the legal procedures.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:45 PM
Oct 2023

She either was or was not his lawyer, that will be proved by did she ever draw a dime from the Trump Organization or gave Trump legal advice. More importantly today is how much dirt does she have on Trump because she has now crossed the River Jordan and has promised to sin no more. She is fighting to save her ass, which is always good motivation. That bump you just felt was the bus rolling over Trumpty Dumpty.

Today Trump feels it is best if she wasn't his lawyer, if that changes, he will swear that she has always been his lawyer and he has never said anyting to the contrary. Trump's base will follow him through every twist and turn. George Orwell described this kind of behavior.

Vinca

(54,149 posts)
22. We can talk about Trump's mental decline, but it doesn't matter to the brainwashed cult.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:08 PM
Oct 2023

GOP politicians are afraid of the cult, so they'll continue to pretend the orange wannabe king isn't a babbling idiot. He'll be their nominee, guaranteed. As for Biden vs. Trump. They'll try their hardest to make Joe seem like the babbling idiot Trump is and they might have some success given people rarely take their noses out of their phones. Democrats just have to push the accomplishments constantly and - most importantly, IMO - abortion rights. I think 2024 will be won or lost on abortion rights.

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