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Polybius

(21,900 posts)
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 03:40 PM Oct 2023

Rep. Ilhan Omar slams President Joe Biden

I hate Newsweek, but the video is real. Biden is doing a great job with all that's going on right now, she needs to focus her anger elsewhere.


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Rep. Ilhan Omar slams President Joe Biden (Original Post) Polybius Oct 2023 OP
Sad there's such an apparent misunderstanding elleng Oct 2023 #1
I think she understands exactly what she is saying. tritsofme Oct 2023 #3
TY.. I agree.. No Excuses. Cha Oct 2023 #12
I also agree with you. No excuses. ChazII Oct 2023 #80
Yep. Count me in, too. calimary Oct 2023 #127
WithIn months of taking her seat in Congress it was apparent Omar was anti-Israel/antisemitic.. agingdem Oct 2023 #20
Not a labor camp. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #61
I stand corrected...but agingdem Oct 2023 #117
I long ago figured her out. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #124
oh yes...my parents were Holocaust survivors... agingdem Oct 2023 #125
Gaza's leaders said betweeen 200-300 died at the hospital. She used Hamas' 500 number. TheBlackAdder Oct 2023 #78
Baselessly? fulllib Oct 2023 #21
Do you think President Biden is supporting genocide? tritsofme Oct 2023 #22
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #24
If you think President Biden supports genocide, you probably won't have a very good time here. tritsofme Oct 2023 #25
Been here since Bush years fulllib Oct 2023 #26
No you're Wrong about Pres Biden and so is Omar. Cha Oct 2023 #33
President Biden has spoken clearly about restraint stopdiggin Oct 2023 #104
No, it's not quite simple. EndlessWire Oct 2023 #110
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #29
I'll ask again.. Did Omar Slam HAMAS/! Speaking of Cha Oct 2023 #34
First: You didn't deserve that. And second: your simple question still remains unaddressed. Oopsie Daisy Oct 2023 #122
Yeah, "baselessly".. Pres Biden does NOT "support Cha Oct 2023 #45
I believe that our elected representative should exercise better judgement. Oopsie Daisy Oct 2023 #121
Yes, I also believe she understands what she is saying PatSeg Oct 2023 #35
Sorry, living in MN I have had enough of her BS. edisdead Oct 2023 #36
She's not alone - she has the younger generation with her womanofthehills Oct 2023 #56
She is entitled to her opinion. Wrong as it might be. paleotn Oct 2023 #70
Of course, but she has no entitlement to my support or respect. tritsofme Oct 2023 #72
Granted. On some things we may agree. But on this one I think she's giving comfort to the enemy. paleotn Oct 2023 #79
The way she disrespected speaker Pelosi, HRC and has made other baseless claims. No thx...period PortTack Oct 2023 #82
It's unclear to me what positive thing she think she's accomplishing. Oopsie Daisy Oct 2023 #119
Did Omar SLAM HAMAS for the Butchering Cha Oct 2023 #2
Great question n/t SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #7
The Palestinian caucus has never condemned Hamas. dalton99a Oct 2023 #28
Didn't think so.. It would have been Cha Oct 2023 #31
Yes, "how do you look at 1 atrocity" is her Slamming Hamas DontBelieveEastisEas Oct 2023 #42
That's a DAMN GOOD question! FlyingPiggy Oct 2023 #63
I do not believe so. Oopsie Daisy Oct 2023 #123
Look at the room BidenRocks Oct 2023 #4
If these sort of attacks on President Biden continue, there should be serious discussions about stripping tritsofme Oct 2023 #5
She has several challengers in MN. PlutosHeart Oct 2023 #8
Yeah, we don't need a Somalian-American point of view in congress lostnfound Oct 2023 #11
I don't particularly care where she's from. tritsofme Oct 2023 #16
She's been primaried before; maybe this time it will be successful. Ocelot II Oct 2023 #48
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #39
She's a representative not a philosopher. TrueBlueBlackQueen Oct 2023 #64
Nation teetering on the precipice The Unmitigated Gall Oct 2023 #6
Could these lame "journos" MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #9
Consider the alternative ... usonian Oct 2023 #10
I am on the Justice Democrats email feed LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2023 #13
Great. Our very own MAGA fringe. AkFemDem Oct 2023 #30
Leftist tea parties, to soon become like a left magat movement. boston bean Oct 2023 #55
Justice Democrats-types believe the Tea Party was grassroots, proof of a left and right-wing betsuni Oct 2023 #65
Exactly! paleotn Oct 2023 #71
Good luck trying to take over what amounts to a herd of cats. paleotn Oct 2023 #76
Justice Democrats always get really worked up and paranoid about AIPAC being out to get them. betsuni Oct 2023 #99
Belief there are simple easy solutions for everything but Biden/Dems won't do them betsuni Oct 2023 #14
Wow, does that sound familiar. marybourg Oct 2023 #32
Ahhh--bad things about Democrats. Kingofalldems Oct 2023 #15
Yes Polybius Oct 2023 #18
Or learned when to remain silent PatSeg Oct 2023 #38
We're not a cult AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #95
Just a reminder... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #17
thank you TomDaisy Oct 2023 #47
Oh NO.. she has a right to say what she wants BUT Cha Oct 2023 #51
I know SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #54
Resort to name calling bc we Disagree w/Omar. Cha Oct 2023 #58
Agreed Red Mountain Oct 2023 #57
Thank YOU!! Cha Oct 2023 #59
Omar is my rep, and I have the right to disagree with her Ocelot II Oct 2023 #62
Thank You, Ocelot, for your perspective as a Cha Oct 2023 #66
I'm a constituent of Omar, not Tlaib, but some of the same concerns apply to both. Ocelot II Oct 2023 #85
Oh I'm Sorry.. I knew better.. Minnesota! Cha Oct 2023 #90
She's going to get herself replaced by a republican. Turbineguy Oct 2023 #19
Not in her district edisdead Oct 2023 #41
She was last time; almost certainly will again after this. Ocelot II Oct 2023 #49
She was not "almost replaced by a Republican" AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #105
If she is successfully primaried by another Democrat, that Democrat would also win the seat. Ocelot II Oct 2023 #111
Not in this district. It's very heavily Dem. Ocelot II Oct 2023 #53
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #23
If... Willto Oct 2023 #40
I'll ask Again.. Did Omar Slam HAMAS? Cha Oct 2023 #27
Fabulous question wryter2000 Oct 2023 #37
Yes, "how do you look at 1 atrocity" is her Slamming Hamas DontBelieveEastisEas Oct 2023 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2023 #100
I watched an extended clip. The context wasn't inappropriate in a democracy. Duncan Grant Oct 2023 #43
+1 leftstreet Oct 2023 #103
once again ****NEWSWEEK IS RUN BY A RIGHT-WING GOON TRYING TO CAUSE TROUBLE**** TomDaisy Oct 2023 #46
In this context SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #52
Perhaps, but she still said it Polybius Oct 2023 #93
Cause trouble? By posting a video of someone speaking? betsuni Oct 2023 #96
Has she shown humanity and outrage over the innocent Israelis killed and still being held hostage? W_HAMILTON Oct 2023 #50
She was very passionate in that clip TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #60
See my post #10 above. "Consider the alternative" usonian Oct 2023 #77
Yes, we have a binary system TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #81
Agree. I voted for Bernie in the CA primary, and wholeheartedly supported, and support Biden and Harris (see my sig!) usonian Oct 2023 #89
I voted for Hillary when she ran against Obama TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #91
That was stolen. Any accusation he makes is a confession usonian Oct 2023 #98
She mentions "hundreds, and thousands of Americans" stuck in Gaza... electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #67
You mean the Rep. who called the bombing of the Al-Ahli hospital run by the Anglican Church... EX500rider Oct 2023 #68
I've seen some mentions online SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #69
Well it might have gotten some broken windows, but that's it EX500rider Oct 2023 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #86
I think I get that you're mentioning the "Baptist" hospital thing as... electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #88
Her and Rep. Rashida Tlaib are turning into mouthpieces for Hamas. MyNameIsJonas Oct 2023 #94
I just googled and many sources agree it's between 400 & 600 questionseverything Oct 2023 #83
Because Israel SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #97
Since billions more in aid to Israel is being discussed questionseverything Oct 2023 #106
Attacking Americans? SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #128
You keep saying that with no proof questionseverything Oct 2023 #129
They aren't carpet bombing anything SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #130
We can see the pictures of the rubble questionseverything Oct 2023 #131
I recommend SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #132
What sources? TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #102
CNBC Bucky Oct 2023 #108
Does she have a solution to the Hamas attacks? Dirty Socialist Oct 2023 #73
There was once a time when Dem pols didn't blast Dem presidents. Sigh. brush Oct 2023 #75
When was this exactly? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #109
Two presidents ago. brush Oct 2023 #116
Maybe, we need to stop taking sides in the middle east. Omnipresent Oct 2023 #84
I think this can be helpful to Biden BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #87
ya know i got reported for slamming another dem.....just saying..... dembotoz Oct 2023 #92
and the Pope is Catholic. In other news...... JohnSJ Oct 2023 #101
It's okay to disagree on some big issues. Dissent is good. Bucky Oct 2023 #107
She's allowed to be angry about the death of innocent civilians TomDaisy Oct 2023 #112
Yes, she should be mad at Hamas, I agree EX500rider Oct 2023 #114
She's allowed to be angry about the mass-killing of innocent civilians TomDaisy Oct 2023 #113
Yeah, take her Anger Out on HAMAS.. Pres Joe Biden Cha Oct 2023 #115
I feel like this is counterproductive ecstatic Oct 2023 #118
+1 Niagara Oct 2023 #126
Republican callers calling CSpan this morning demanding she be removed from Congress. Emile Oct 2023 #120

elleng

(141,926 posts)
1. Sad there's such an apparent misunderstanding
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 03:46 PM
Oct 2023

between 2 leaders I admire. Potus doing what he can, but for netanyahu and hamas.

tritsofme

(19,900 posts)
3. I think she understands exactly what she is saying.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 03:50 PM
Oct 2023

She is baselessly attacking an incredible Democratic president, it is pathetic, and no one should make excuses for her.

agingdem

(8,849 posts)
20. WithIn months of taking her seat in Congress it was apparent Omar was anti-Israel/antisemitic..
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:44 PM
Oct 2023

She apologized only because Nancy Pelosi came down hard on her…so it’s not much of a stretch for Omar to trash Biden for his support of Israel and the Jewish people…I’m aware Omar spend her formative years in a Somali labor camp but not because of Jews or Israel…

madaboutharry

(42,033 posts)
61. Not a labor camp.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:09 PM
Oct 2023

Her family was displaced during the civil war there and they lived in a refugee camp. Not that a refugee camp isn’t difficult, but a labor camp is something else entirely.

madaboutharry

(42,033 posts)
124. I long ago figured her out.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 08:44 AM
Oct 2023

Omar hates Israel and she hates Jews. She has told us that several times.
“When people tell you who they are, believe them the first time.” - Maya Angelou

agingdem

(8,849 posts)
125. oh yes...my parents were Holocaust survivors...
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 10:54 AM
Oct 2023

anticipating an American Hitler, we had a packed suitcase under our beds, ready to make our escape...

Maya Angelou was a very wise woman..

Response to tritsofme (Reply #22)

tritsofme

(19,900 posts)
25. If you think President Biden supports genocide, you probably won't have a very good time here.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:52 PM
Oct 2023

fulllib

(234 posts)
26. Been here since Bush years
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:54 PM
Oct 2023

Not going to watch this again. Unless he takes action for peace then he supports it. It’s quite simple

stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
104. President Biden has spoken clearly about restraint
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 09:46 PM
Oct 2023

and being cognizant of the innocent.
The problem is with people who will only define that as no action at all. (and that isn't on the table)

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
110. No, it's not quite simple.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 10:15 PM
Oct 2023

And, what does "taking action for peace" look like? He flew over there at great personal risk to pow wow with the ME leaders, only to be shown the cold shoulder. He then bargained for humanitarian aid, and opening the Rafah Gate for refugees. He has asked for $100 million in American dollars to aid Gazans. The only thing that will prevent that from happening is a republican refusal to approve the package.

What does taking action for peace look like? He cautioned Israel to be very careful. He stated to the world that it was highly unlikely that Israel had bombed the hospital; we'll never know how many Palestinians have been killed by Hamas et al from errant shells and mined roads. After all, they told their own citizens not to leave.

What does the world want from this man? We've got our embassies in several countries threatened with violence (and he is responsible for all those people), we have American hostages to rescue if possible, and we have trouble at home. I see nothing simple about that.

We are so terribly lucky to have Biden and Harris in office right now. He is not in favor of any war anywhere, but if he is pressed, he can and will step up.

Response to tritsofme (Reply #25)

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
122. First: You didn't deserve that. And second: your simple question still remains unaddressed.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 08:15 AM
Oct 2023

That tells me a lot.

Cha

(319,074 posts)
45. Yeah, "baselessly".. Pres Biden does NOT "support
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:41 PM
Oct 2023
genocide".. Omar is WRONG".. and Anyone Paying Attention would know that.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
121. I believe that our elected representative should exercise better judgement.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 08:13 AM
Oct 2023

I do not think that any elected representative should be impulsive and act/speak without considering the consequences.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
35. Yes, I also believe she understands what she is saying
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:24 PM
Oct 2023

It is easy for her to get in front of a camera and criticize the president, but he has to walk a very careful path, as he tries to avoid more death and destruction in the Middle East. Biden sees the pain and loss on both sides and expressed his concern for all the innocent victims. What on earth did she expect him to do?

We are lucky to have such an experienced, thoughtful leader at this time in history.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
56. She's not alone - she has the younger generation with her
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:02 PM
Oct 2023

Huge Rallies in LA, NY and Chicago yesterday chanting

“Biden, Biden you can’t hide …”

If we lose the youth, we have a big problem. This is worrisome for the next election. All these people keep seeing horrific images of injured & dead kids on social media - day after day. It seems like Netanyahu will never stop the bombing -there also are Hugh rallies in Israel calling for his resignation.

LA


?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

DC

?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

Minnesota
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8kkjna4/

NY


?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

paleotn

(22,217 posts)
79. Granted. On some things we may agree. But on this one I think she's giving comfort to the enemy.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:57 PM
Oct 2023

Not intentionally. I think her heart is in the right place, it's lack of rational thought in my mind.

PortTack

(35,820 posts)
82. The way she disrespected speaker Pelosi, HRC and has made other baseless claims. No thx...period
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 07:17 PM
Oct 2023

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
119. It's unclear to me what positive thing she think she's accomplishing.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 08:10 AM
Oct 2023

No matter what her objective might be, the outcome is very clear. She needs to stop.

DontBelieveEastisEas

(1,211 posts)
42. Yes, "how do you look at 1 atrocity" is her Slamming Hamas
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:35 PM
Oct 2023

It was part of her first sentence in the linked video.

BidenRocks

(3,266 posts)
4. Look at the room
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 03:51 PM
Oct 2023

You are not as popular as you think!
We are America
Don't expect us to cure the worlds ills

You are pissing us off, not gaining support.

tritsofme

(19,900 posts)
5. If these sort of attacks on President Biden continue, there should be serious discussions about stripping
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 03:52 PM
Oct 2023

her committee assignments. Real Democrats don’t attack and lie about President Biden.

PlutosHeart

(1,445 posts)
8. She has several challengers in MN.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:01 PM
Oct 2023

and some are conservative but feign they are not.
She needs to think and speak to not do herself or the Party harm. She has had plenty of death threats.

lostnfound

(17,520 posts)
11. Yeah, we don't need a Somalian-American point of view in congress
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:04 PM
Oct 2023

An educated Sunni woman who spent four formative years in a refugee camp..she’s a dime a dozen, and her background has no bearing on her unacceptable points of view… just replace her with somebody more to our liking, because we Americans have nothing to learn from those who make us uncomfortable.

tritsofme

(19,900 posts)
16. I don't particularly care where she's from.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:25 PM
Oct 2023

If a “Democrat” spreads attacks and lies about President Biden, I want absolutely nothing to do with that person.

I hope a real Democrat disposes of her in the primary.

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
48. She's been primaried before; maybe this time it will be successful.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:45 PM
Oct 2023

She's my rep and I've been unhappy with her for a long time on various issues. I'll vote for her over any GOPer, of course; but I hope next election cycle we get a better choice.

Response to lostnfound (Reply #11)

 
64. She's a representative not a philosopher.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:18 PM
Oct 2023

She's not there to teach anyone anything, She's there to represent her constituents. She's really pissing me off with her Biden comments as he's balancing a very tricky situation. He's doing a good job of it also

Are you giving here a pass because of her life story?

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,512 posts)
9. Could these lame "journos"
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:04 PM
Oct 2023

use a thesaurus or a brain to come up with a different verb than "slams"? Everyone SLAMS everyone, like life is one big over the top melodramatic fake "reality" show, and/or Jerry Springer.

If Omar has a problem with Prez Biden, maybe discuss it like an adult, not grandstand with stupid hysteria that seems to have become the norm of American discourse.

Does she really think Prez Biden doesn't care about, or want to rescue Americans in Gaza? WTF does she think he's supposed to do? OUTRAGE seems more her forte. I prefer a mature thoughtful president, over whatever the hell she is. JFC


usonian

(25,322 posts)
10. Consider the alternative ...
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:04 PM
Oct 2023
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/04/1084565893/five-years-after-trumps-muslim-ban

Just one week into his presidency, Donald Trump announced an executive order banning people from several Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S., the so-called "Muslim Ban".

This ban shut out travelers who were already on their way to the U.S. Visas were canceled, people were detained and sent back home, and protests ensued. Lawsuits were filed, but the Supreme Court upheld the policy.

On his first day in office, President Biden reversed the ban.


https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/after-9-11-trump-weaponized-anti-muslim-hate-yet-praises-n1278969

The worst of the bunch by far has been former President Donald Trump. As a presidential candidate — and as president — Trump weaponized anti-Muslim hate to levels not even seen in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

In 2015, Trump called for “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States” — a proposal supported by nearly two-thirds of GOP voters at the time. Some of his most dangerous comments included his lie that on Sept. 11, 2001, the “Arab population” in New Jersey was “cheering as the buildings came down.” He claimed that Muslims were protecting terrorists in their communities. Trump called for surveillance of American mosques because he baselessly claimed people were leaving them with “hatred and death in their eyes.”



https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/21582440211004172
Trump and Muslims: A Critical Discourse Analysis of Islamophobic Rhetoric in Donald Trump’s Selected Tweets. (PDF)

Abstract
The emergence of Donald Trump as an anti-Muslim-Islam presidential candidate and victory over Hillary Clinton is an issue of debate and division in the United States’ political sphere. Many commentators and political pundits criticize Trump for his disparaging rhetoric on Twitter and present him as an example of how Twitter can be an effective tool for the construction and extension of political polarization. The current study analyzes the selected tweets by Donald Trump posted on Twitter to unmask how he uses language to construct Islamophobic discourse structures and attempts to form his ideological structures along with. The researchers hypothesize that Islamophobia is a marked feature of Trump’s political career realized by specific rhetorical and discursive devices. Therefore, the study purposively takes 40 most controversial tweets of Donald Trump against Islam and Muslims and carried out a critical discourse analysis with the help of macro-strategies of the discourse given by Wodak and Meyer and van Dijk’s referential strategies of political discourse. The findings reveal that Trump uses language rhetorically to exclude people of different ethnic identities, especially Muslims, through demagogic language to create a difference of “us” vs. “them” and making in this way “America Great Again”.


Elections offer no middle ground. It's one or the other, at this time, and there is no time but now.

That's not going to change soon, as independent parties have tended to be spoilers.

Advocacy from the left has benefitted the Democratic party, while the far right has demolished the Republican party into a crazed cult.

You must choose wisely.
Senor Pragmatist here.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,866 posts)
13. I am on the Justice Democrats email feed
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:17 PM
Oct 2023

I have been following the Justice Democrats and its predecessor for a while including the "brand new congress group" and other groups created by Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi and their ilk. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and I have even listened once or twice to the Justice Democrat podcast which is amusingly called "Just Us" democrats. The Justice Democrats emails are fun to laugh at and I love the hatred this group shows to the Democratic Party, establishment Democrats and best of all corporate democrats.

The Justice Democrat group want to take over the Democratic party and remake into their image. I also do not want the Democratic Party to be taken over by the Justice Democrat group.


I am not the only person who has issues with the concept that the Justice Democrats want to take over the Democratic Party



Lately there has been a ton of Justice Democrats emails begging for funds to defend Omar, Tlaib and other Justice Democrats from the nasty Jews and AIPAC who are attacking the members of the Justice democrats. This is from one of the Justice Democrats emails that I have received three or four times over the last couple of days

You may have noticed we’ve been in touch more often this week asking you to financially support Justice Democrats and our incumbents in Congress, as the violence in Israel and Palestine worsens. This is a longer email, but I want to take a moment to explain why.

We are collectively witnessing the state of Israel commit public ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza after a long history of violent occupation and nearly two decades of blockading. What we — our elected officials, our media, and ourselves as individuals — do in this moment will undoubtedly have life-changing impacts for generations to come.....

You wouldn’t think standing up for human rights and pleading for peace would generate condemnation and hate — but that is what we’ve received from Republicans as well as many members of our own party.

The Democratic Party has historically protected incumbents at all costs — we know this first-hand after being black-listed by the DCCC for supporting progressive primary challengers and facing multi-million dollars of AIPAC-fueled attack ads. But this week, they are attacking their own incumbent members with vitriol for criticizing human rights abuses and calling for an end to bloodshed.




boston bean

(36,931 posts)
55. Leftist tea parties, to soon become like a left magat movement.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:02 PM
Oct 2023

Steer clear of them. Smack them away. Do not give them power.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
65. Justice Democrats-types believe the Tea Party was grassroots, proof of a left and right-wing
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:19 PM
Oct 2023

populist grassroots alliance movement (also a Steve Bannon hope). But the very bad mean Democrats will stop at nothing to prevent this because blah blah blah. Luckily, fewer and fewer people are falling for the fantasy revolution.

paleotn

(22,217 posts)
76. Good luck trying to take over what amounts to a herd of cats.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:53 PM
Oct 2023

The current Dem caucus in the house sticking together like they have is somewhat of an anomily. More due to the fact that the GQP is so fucking bad as anything else. Dems don't do lock step and sometimes fight among themselves as much as fight Republicans.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
99. Justice Democrats always get really worked up and paranoid about AIPAC being out to get them.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 09:35 PM
Oct 2023

So many imaginary boogeymen hiding under their beds... They need a nightlight and a kittycat.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
14. Belief there are simple easy solutions for everything but Biden/Dems won't do them
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:18 PM
Oct 2023

because (fill in the conspiracy-insult du jour here).

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
38. Or learned when to remain silent
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:31 PM
Oct 2023

Her angry words certainly are not helping the situation.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
95. We're not a cult
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 09:00 PM
Oct 2023

She has every right to say what she wants including her own opinion. We're not the party that kisses the ring. We're the party who allows different people who may not all think alike. That's diversity defined. And that's a good thing 👍🏼

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
17. Just a reminder...
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:27 PM
Oct 2023

...of a recent post that we should keep in mind:

"It's what Authoritarians do - Threaten anyone who Dissents from the Party Line

https://democraticunderground.com/100218378581

Cha

(319,074 posts)
51. Oh NO.. she has a right to say what she wants BUT
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:50 PM
Oct 2023
We Also have the Right to DISAGREE Without Being Slurred with Fucking "Authoritarians".

Red Mountain

(2,343 posts)
57. Agreed
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:05 PM
Oct 2023

She is welcome to criticize Biden and other Democrats should be welcome to criticize her criticism.

You can agree with her or her critics but either way, Joe Biden is still the leader of the Democratic party.

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
62. Omar is my rep, and I have the right to disagree with her
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:10 PM
Oct 2023

without being implicitly called an authoritarian. She spends more time dragging on Democrats who don't toe her line than she does going after GOPers, and this isn't new. She has been repeatedly criticized for anti-Semitic remarks; and whether or not she is literally anti-Semitic, she doesn't seem to understand how her remarks can be understood or interpreted. She also doesn't seem to realize that in this country, at least, Islamophobia and anti-Semitism come from the same bad place: white supremacy combined with Christian nationalism.

Cha

(319,074 posts)
66. Thank You, Ocelot, for your perspective as a
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:33 PM
Oct 2023

Last edited Sun Oct 22, 2023, 07:45 PM - Edit history (1)

constituent of Omar's

That's what I think about her from paying attention to her statements posted on DU all these years..



ETA to get the name right!!

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
85. I'm a constituent of Omar, not Tlaib, but some of the same concerns apply to both.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 07:23 PM
Oct 2023

MN CD #5 is fairly diverse, and while there is a sizeable Somali community here, there are also a lot of Jewish people, and Omar needs to remember that she's supposed to serve everyone. I can't imagine that her Jewish constituency has been very thrilled with some of her remarks over the years.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
105. She was not "almost replaced by a Republican"
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 09:56 PM
Oct 2023

She won in a landslide.
She represents her constituents who are overwhelmingly Muslim immigrants.

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
111. If she is successfully primaried by another Democrat, that Democrat would also win the seat.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 10:21 PM
Oct 2023

MN CD-5 is overwhelmingly Democratic, but it is not true that "her constituents ... are overwhelmingly Muslim immigrants." In fact, most aren't (about 10% of the total population of the district). The majority are white; the majority of non-white people are Black and Native American. Among immigrants, there are more Hispanic people than Somalis, as well as a sizeable number of Vietnamese and Hmong immigrants and their descendants. There are also a significant number of Jewish people, who are becoming increasingly unhappy with Omar's positions, which they often perceive as anti-Semitic. Any congressperson is obligated to represent all citizens of their district (that's why they're called "representatives" ), not just those of their own ethnicity or background. Omar won her last primary by just a hair, and she might not pull off the next one.

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
53. Not in this district. It's very heavily Dem.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:57 PM
Oct 2023

She can be replaced, and I hope she will be - and it will be by a Democrat.

Response to Polybius (Original post)

Willto

(301 posts)
40. If...
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:32 PM
Oct 2023

,,,a person condemned killing by both Hamas and Israel I would still disagree with equivocating the actions of both sides, because I think the actions and stated goals of Hamas are far worse. BUT< I would at least acknowledge that as being equally anti war.

But when you issue "NO" condemnation of what Hamas did and only criticize Israel's response that is not being anti war. That is being anti Israel and a defender of terrorists. She is showing me her heart and it's ugly.

Maya Angelou said, “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” Omar is showing me who she is and I believe it.

wryter2000

(47,940 posts)
37. Fabulous question
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:31 PM
Oct 2023

I’d also like to ask her who she plans to vote for. Anyone who won’t vote for Biden in the face of the alternative needs a serious attitude adjustment.

DontBelieveEastisEas

(1,211 posts)
44. Yes, "how do you look at 1 atrocity" is her Slamming Hamas
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:37 PM
Oct 2023

It was part of her first sentence in the linked video.

Response to Cha (Reply #27)

Duncan Grant

(8,920 posts)
43. I watched an extended clip. The context wasn't inappropriate in a democracy.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:35 PM
Oct 2023

Her anger isn’t incomprehensible to anyone with empathy and compassion.

I’ll wager President Biden takes this less personally than you. Part of the political calculus is to give congresspeople the space they need with their constituents. I think I saw an article here at DU worrying about how much credibility the president has lost among Muslim voters. Why wouldn’t he allow a little push-back? It’s good politics.

So, I don’t overly criticize Rep. Omar, lest I seem racist or anti-Muslim.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
52. In this context
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:51 PM
Oct 2023

Not sure how it matters what Newsweek is. Take away all of the words, and the video still speaks for itself.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
96. Cause trouble? By posting a video of someone speaking?
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 09:18 PM
Oct 2023

Do you mean it's fake? We should ignore it as if it didn't happen because Newsweek posted it? Shoot the Messenger? What happened to constructive criticism, holding feet to the fire, earning our votes?

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
50. Has she shown humanity and outrage over the innocent Israelis killed and still being held hostage?
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 05:47 PM
Oct 2023

If so, good for her. That means both her and Biden and have shown humanity and outrage over both the situation in Gaza and the situation in Israel and her complaints are unwarranted. If not, well, look in the mirror.

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
60. She was very passionate in that clip
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:09 PM
Oct 2023

Misguided, but passionate. I hate when someone who claims to be a Democrat attacks our President—we get enough of that from the Republicans and this just feeds it. And where’s her outrage about Hamas killing children in their beds? That’s the atrocity here, and those who ignore it implicitly condone it.

usonian

(25,322 posts)
77. See my post #10 above. "Consider the alternative"
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:53 PM
Oct 2023
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218388755#post10

The way the system works, it's binary. One or the other.

And better to work within the existing parties and exert some influence there.

Trump was ready to battle candidate Sanders, who had the early lead. The fact that the Democratic party chose Joe Biden, who is working with Bernie to make great progress was unexpected. Flexibility worked to advantage.

That said, I see support for violence on the far edges of both parties, and who knows, it might draw voters away from both edges, and to Biden.


 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
81. Yes, we have a binary system
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 07:12 PM
Oct 2023

But Democrats should not support Omar’s extremism any more than Republicans should support MTG’s extremism. And to be clear, I’m not equating a democrat with MTG, I’m simply saying that we should not excuse Omar implicitly condoning Hamas’ killing of children simply because she’s a democrat

usonian

(25,322 posts)
89. Agree. I voted for Bernie in the CA primary, and wholeheartedly supported, and support Biden and Harris (see my sig!)
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 07:30 PM
Oct 2023

If you are business-oriented, read "The Five Dysfunctions of a Team".

Disagreement helps bring issues to the fore, but a team must find agreement before moving forward.

Sports analogies apply.

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
91. I voted for Hillary when she ran against Obama
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 07:52 PM
Oct 2023

And Obama is the best president of my lifetime. And the most disappointing day in my life is when Trump beat Hillary.

usonian

(25,322 posts)
98. That was stolen. Any accusation he makes is a confession
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 09:26 PM
Oct 2023

of his own crimes and sick mind.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
67. She mentions "hundreds, and thousands of Americans" stuck in Gaza...
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:38 PM
Oct 2023

that President Biden is "supposedly" "not rescuing" is that so?
I do not think I've heard that.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
68. You mean the Rep. who called the bombing of the Al-Ahli hospital run by the Anglican Church...
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:45 PM
Oct 2023

..."The Baptist Hospital" She obviously does meticulous research before commenting, lol

I wonder her reaction if the bombing of the Mosque in the West Bank was called a "Buddhist Temple".

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
69. I've seen some mentions online
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:47 PM
Oct 2023

That the hospital wasn’t even hit, but rather it was a parking lot next to the hospital.

Haven’t really dig into finding out whether or not that’s true.

Response to EX500rider (Reply #68)

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
88. I think I get that you're mentioning the "Baptist" hospital thing as...
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 07:25 PM
Oct 2023

another error by her.

That's why I put her other words in quotemarks ("supposedly" "not rescuing" )...
because I am questioning what she is saying there.

[my post above was almost the same I just added the other quotemarked words in this one]

questionseverything

(11,840 posts)
83. I just googled and many sources agree it's between 400 & 600
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 07:18 PM
Oct 2023

I’m not sure why we are allowing bebi to bomb American citizens either

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
97. Because Israel
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 09:22 PM
Oct 2023

is a sovereign state and not a wholly owned subsidiary of the U.S.? They don’t need our permission to protect themselves.

questionseverything

(11,840 posts)
106. Since billions more in aid to Israel is being discussed
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 09:57 PM
Oct 2023

I think the least we could expect is that it won’t be used to attack/kill Americans

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
128. Attacking Americans?
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 04:31 PM
Oct 2023

That’s ludicrous.

American hostages may well die, but if so, it will be because Hamas is cowering behind them.

questionseverything

(11,840 posts)
129. You keep saying that with no proof
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 04:47 PM
Oct 2023

If Israel knows where Hamas is hiding, Israel should march in and capture them

Not carpet bomb city blocks

🧐

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
109. When was this exactly?
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 10:06 PM
Oct 2023

Because I sure remember reading about Kennedy going after Carter a whole lot & how conservative blue dog Dems went after Obama...on & on

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
116. Two presidents ago.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 01:36 AM
Oct 2023

And do ya really believe this is helpful with a tough re-election battle coming up...especially with Pres. Biden doing a good job overall?

This crap can cost us votes.

Omnipresent

(7,450 posts)
84. Maybe, we need to stop taking sides in the middle east.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 07:19 PM
Oct 2023

It is fruitless to get caught up in forever wars, that will never end.

BannonsLiver

(20,595 posts)
87. I think this can be helpful to Biden
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 07:24 PM
Oct 2023

She is less popular and less relatable than Biden is. At worst, it doesn’t matter.

 

dembotoz

(16,922 posts)
92. ya know i got reported for slamming another dem.....just saying.....
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 08:30 PM
Oct 2023

she is a dem in a dem district.......

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
107. It's okay to disagree on some big issues. Dissent is good.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 10:02 PM
Oct 2023

And I think Joe Biden can endure some criticism. But for that matter, some heat generated the name of protecting Palestinian rights and interests is probably necessary. They're getting hammered hard by our allies. A good foreign policy needs reminder that these are human beings too.

Cha

(319,074 posts)
115. Yeah, take her Anger Out on HAMAS.. Pres Joe Biden
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 11:37 PM
Oct 2023

is America's President who has Shown nothing but Humanity over and Over again.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
118. I feel like this is counterproductive
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 07:57 AM
Oct 2023

President Joe Biden has expressed humanity the entire fucking time. The US has been behind the scenes trying to halt the invasion. Meanwhile, you have trump's ass out there talking about banning Muslims again.

Now you tell me what the better option is because she seems to think there's one out there.

All she's going to do is convince people to stay home which could lead to another 4 years of trump. Honestly the thought is unbearable to me. I don't know what I would do. Anyone aiding and abetting that outcome will be permanently on my shit list.

Emile

(42,289 posts)
120. Republican callers calling CSpan this morning demanding she be removed from Congress.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 08:11 AM
Oct 2023
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