my plan for gaza

[moonshinegnomie]

1) anounnce to the world that gaza will be given independence 72 hours after every hostage is released
2) after the hostages are released follow thru but have israel take teh following steps
a 100M no mans land between gaza and israel. anyone entering it will be shot
a complete embargo on gaza from israel. no water,no fuel no electricuty. not one damn thing.
leave some mossad or shin bet agents behind to eradicate the entire hamas leadership and anyone else involved in the attack on israe lafter the israeli withdrawl. just like they hunted down the munich olympic killers do the same for hamas. dont announce what they are doing,just do it.
3) make teh west bank teh same offer. independence but no ties to israel.

if they reject it then you know where they stand.

[Bucky]

1. There's professionals over there working on all sorts of deals, you know

How much research did you do before writing this up?

Did you look at this?
Or this?
Or this?

Read each of these if you want to understand how the experts see solutions.

If you're seriously interested in contributing to humanitarian efforts, there's also this.

[moonshinegnomie]

5. there is zero chance israel withdraws from east jerusalem

thats a non starter. the chances of them leaving the golan heaights are also close to zero.

so the palestinians can have everything else they had before 167. but not those 2.
and if they refuse then israel should impose it themselves. withdrawl completely. build the no mans land between the 2 countries. and then cut them off completely .

[Big Blue Marble]

11. How would you get the 500,000 settlers to leave the West Bank?

These are among the militant violent and fanatical of all Israelis. They will start a civil war.

[Maru Kitteh]

31. Simply withdraw all of their protection. Tell them if they stay, they are Palestinians.

Guessing that should do it.

[EX500rider]

18. I think that is their plan at the moment

Israel aims to cut Gaza ties after war with Hamas

Israel has suggested that the long-term aim of its military campaign in Gaza is to sever all links with the territory.
Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said that once Hamas had been defeated, Israel would end its "responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip".

Before the conflict, Israel supplied Gaza with most of its energy needs and monitored imports into the territory.
The statement comes as Israel continues its strikes on Gaza and aid remains blocked on the border with Egypt.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67175094

[EndlessWire]

29. I think it's so unnecessary

for you to sharply put down a sincere effort of the OP to offer suggestions that might lead to peace. Maybe the Palestinians won't want other Arab nations deciding their fate? At least the OP didn't advocate making Gaza a glass parking lot with a Walmart on it.

Other people have expressed extreme frustration and anger, and a desire to mow down Palestinians. I think that Israel will have to go door to door, but rather than occupation, they should consider the two or three state solution immediately, regardless of what other Arab States say they want in exchange for peace.

Let Gaza solve Gaza problems. Getting rid of Hamas is a big deal, and it would become a workable solution. I'm a little skeptical of "expert opinions" when I read the part "what's in it for me" that usually accompanies such opinions.

[claudette]

2. How do you know that

Israel will agree to those terms. Seems doubtful to me that they would give up control. Besides, from what I read, Gaza has NO way of supplying their own resources so it's almost surely a death sentence for innocent Palestinians and Israel uses that as leverage.

[moonshinegnomie]

6. their arab friends can supply them

israel is under no obligation to provide anything to an independent county

[claudette]

16. Wow

So harsh. I’m done. Bye

[SickOfTheOnePct]

21. Gaza City has a port

Arab nations can supply them through the port and via Egypt.

No reason whatsoever why Israel should have anything to do with Gaza after this.

[claudette]

22. If you

say so.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

23. That they have a port is a fact

That they share a border with Egypt is also a fact.

Not sure what you’re disputing?

[claudette]

25. I'm disputing

the fantasy that you have that the Palestinians can easily rebuild their land that has been destroyed by Israel and magically succeed in uplifting their way of life with nothing when they are barely surviving under Israeli oppression.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

26. Who said anything about it being easy?

I just said that their Arab allies could afford to do it, and they could do it without any assistance from Israel, including without passing through Israeli borders.

Edited to add LOL at the Israeli oppression trope.

[Happy Hoosier]

35. There are supposedly tons of nations....

.... on the the side of the oppressed Gazans. Surely, THOSE nations are willing to pour money and effort into rebuilding Gaza and establishing a stable, productive society.

Or MAAAAAYBEEEEE, a lot of those nations just wanna stir shit and don't actually give a fart about the Gazan people.

In any case, it's time for them to put or shut up.... AFTER Hamas is removed from power.

[claudette]

39. Or maybe

since it was Israel who got Gaza and the West Bank into their current situation, maybe THEY should help rebuild the Gaza homes and infrastructure that they have destroyed with weapons provided by US! Just like we helped rebuild Japan after obscenely dropping the atom bomb on their cities.

https://visit-nagasaki.com/the-army-corps-of-engineers-and-the-cleanup-of-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/

[Happy Hoosier]

40. Oh yeah, I forgot the "ISRAEL BAD" contingent.

Israel has its share of blame. So do Palestinians who have spent decades promising to destroy Israel and refusing Israel's basic right to exist.

It seems to me you like to ignore stuff like that. Like you didn't mention that JAPAN attacked th US and NOT the other way around?

And you apparently cannot see how this undermines your credibility.

[claudette]

41. I never said

Hamas was anything BUT bad! So, you honestly believe it was justifiable for America to drop TWO atom bombs on Japan for attacking a ship in Pearl Harbor? No wonder you believe it's ok for Israel to obliterate innocents in Gaza for the horrible attack on Israel by HAMAS.

Apparently you cannot see how your logic is flawed since you believe Israel is always GOOD and can do no wrong. Most of the world sees the suffering being inflicted on the Palestinians in Gaza as revenge and know how difficult it will be to rebuild their land even if they are set free. Good-bye. I'm done with you.

[EndlessWire]

30. They would need help.

They had a desalinization plant that was blown up. They have some ideas of what they need.

[Happy Hoosier]

34. Israel may need some encouragement.

But we are not without leverage. And frankly, IF Hamas is removed form power and IF the internation community agree to manage Gaza, I think Israel would be content to lock down the border and call it a day.

The hard part of a lot of Gazans is that that they had jobs in Israel. But I expect those days are going to be over, or at least severely restricted. No reasonable person can expect "business as usual" now and for many years to come.

[sarisataka]

3. Um, no

We should learn from Versailles, imposing a harsh peace only leads to another war.

[moonshinegnomie]

4. whats harsh about it

as an independent country israel is under no obligations to provide anything to gaza. let their arab allies supply them

versailles was totally different. it required germany to pay huge amounts to the allies.

[usonian]

7. Hamas leadership is in Qatar. NT

[moonshinegnomie]

10. for now.

they may return to an independent israel. and israel can wait. it them over a decade to take out the munich killers

[usonian]

14. My ex was just there.

I told her to keep a low profile. Glad she got out before a Jewish Space Laser could strike. One didn't.

Yet.

[dembotoz]

8. a complete embargo on gaza from israel. no water,no fuel no electricuty. not one damn thing.

i spose thats a step up from genocide

[moonshinegnomie]

9. why shoudl israel be responsible for supplying an independent county?

they want to be independent that means INDEPENDENT. not relying on israel for anything. let the arab countries provide for them.....

[Big Blue Marble]

12. Who will help these people rebuild their destroyed infrastructure?

After we destroyed the infrastructure of Europe, we help rebuild it. Doesn't Israel have
that same obligation?

[moonshinegnomie]

17. not israels problem

independence means just that. independent

[Big Blue Marble]

20. So you are just fine with destroying the homes and business of a people and

leaving them to rot in the ruble. Did not work so well after WWI.

And it will not work now. You want peace, you have to contribute to peace not just
war.

[former9thward]

37. Many of the Arab countries have per capita income above the U.S.

They are rich. Let them supply Gaza. They are far more responsible for the current situation than Israel is.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

24. How about all of their

Arab allies? Saudi Arabia is swimming in money. Same with UAE. They could rebuild Gaza and not even miss the money.

[dembotoz]

15. thanks to the long standing embargo by israel on gaza Israel controls everything

So you steal everything from gaza then complain they do not pull themselves up by the bootstraps in prosperity......Kinda like jim crow on steroids

[moonshinegnomie]

19. steal everything??????

hamas are terrorists.
they are dedicated to wiping israel off the map
hamas is the government of gaza
why shouldnt israel embargo everything going into a place dedicated to eradicating them.

and as for the statment "not all gaza residents are terrorists" they support them. try and cover it any way you want but th emajorit yof arabs and Palestinians support hamas.

If the gaza residents dont want hamas let them rise up. if not then thats on them.

[Happy Hoosier]

36. Is the rest of the region incapable to supplying Gaza? NT

[dembotoz]

38. blockaid

[Disaffected]

13. Two comments:

What good would an embargo do (other than extracting some form of vengeance)?

It wouldn't solve the bigger issue (two many Arabs would still support the "River to Sea" solution).

[radicalleft]

27. How about we add 1 more point:

If independcance is the end-all beat-all, then you would also agree that we stop all foreign aid to Isreal too? Right?

[EndlessWire]

28. I like the idea

of them forming their own nation. Instead of living in what seems like a ghetto, they could rebuild to an ethnic elegance and have something going for it.

Keeping in mind that their desalination plant was blasted to smithereens, they will need help with that. Here's an opportunity for the UN to aid them with their utilities. I think (I could be mistaken here) that they were aided in the past by someone and they dug up the pipes to use for rockets, but the past is the past. With no more utilities coming from Israel, they might want to rethink that attitude. Their electricity can be fostered and rebuilt without nuclear involvement. So, I think that can be solved without dependence on Israel. I think that immediately following the war, their utilities should be supported by Israel, but with some reasonable timeline for severance supervised by the UN.

They should be required to hold another election, supervised by the UN. If they reelect members of Hamas, or those that turn into Hamas, they should thoroughly understand that they will be leveled if they ever, ever launch another attack on Israel. And yes, there should be a separation zone, but no, not sudden death for violators.

The West Bank should be kicked free as well. It is my understanding that these two groups of Palestinians don't like each other, and can't be joined together. Whatever. Israel should move settlers out.

I don't favor in particular walls around either of these nations, but it would only be on the Israeli sides, and it seems that these groups of people truly hate one another, so maybe it's necessary. Every nation on Earth has some kind of border. These borders will just need to be a little stronger than normal.

If neither one of the Palestinian groups wants to be a nation, then yes, we will know. It's not easy to be a nation, but if they want it, they should have it. I think it's clear that they can't mix. But, there can be peace treaties, agreements, and prosperity. And, they should understand that they can't make war, or support war against Israel. If they think they can resupply and start up again, well, FAFO.

[Happy Hoosier]

32. My plan

1. Destroy Hamas
2. Invite the International Community to manage Gaza
3. Israel fully withdraws and secures the border. Hard.
4. Gaza is now the world's problem. We'll see how that goes. Let's see all the hair pullers and chest thumpers put their money where their mouth is.

[moonshinegnomie]

33. but but but

israel is obligated to continue supplying gaza... at least thats what ive been told here.


you plan is pretty similar to mine. i could get on board with it .
Step 1 : destroy hamas what ever it takes

everything else wan be decided after hamas is wiped from teh face of teh earth