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LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 03:13 PM Oct 2023

Vladimir Putin 'suffers cardiac arrest' sparking 'alarm' in Kremlin inner circle

Vladimir Putin is alleged to have suffered a "cardiac arrest" in his private Moscow apartment on Sunday evening.

A Telegram Channel believed to be run by a former Kremlin insider reported that incident saying the Russian leader was found by guards on the floor of the bedroom "lying on the floor, rolling his eyes."

Doctors were reportedly called immediately and they later diagnosed the 71-year-old as having suffered a "cardiac arrest."

Putin was then moved to a special medical facility built in the apartment where he underwent intensive care, the source claims.

Read more: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1826909/Vladimir-Putin-heart-attack-Kremlin-Russia

Another source

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/putin-resuscitated-after-having-cardiac-31259024

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/vladimir-putin-resuscitated-after-cardiac-arrest-in-bedroom-claims-telegram-channel/ar-AA1iIpwi

Kind of a British thing right now. Who knows?

Of course he will still be giving public appearances even after he is embalmed.

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Vladimir Putin 'suffers cardiac arrest' sparking 'alarm' in Kremlin inner circle (Original Post) LiberalArkie Oct 2023 OP
Maybe somebody finally "got" him... yagotme Oct 2023 #1
Not one single reliable source on this report..... AZ8theist Oct 2023 #133
Yes, this post has been up since yesterday and still no confirmation on... brush Oct 2023 #157
Well, one can dream... nt yagotme Oct 2023 #163
I'll believe it when I see it confirmed Bucky Oct 2023 #2
Yeah. Until he accidentally falls out of a tenth story window. madinmaryland Oct 2023 #4
I would still wonder which body double got pushed out.. LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #23
Homeboy don't fall out windows; homeboy *pushes* Bucky Oct 2023 #67
this all based off one post from one Russian Telegram channel, so caveat emptor Celerity Oct 2023 #44
If you're russian, in russia, and like the article Marthe48 Oct 2023 #50
Don't know if it sounds like bureaucratic officialese or Igel Oct 2023 #93
Is this better than the old Soviet Pravda? I remember great articles of the Soviet landings on the moon and LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #96
Remember Yuri Andropov "had a cold" for two weeks after he died....... lastlib Oct 2023 #100
Exactly. This is the 25th time he's either died or been in serious condition oldsoftie Oct 2023 #86
same Evolve Dammit Oct 2023 #95
In Black & White TheBlackAdder Oct 2023 #162
Actually, three media outlets all chasing the same "TELEGRAM post" as sourcing. hlthe2b Oct 2023 #3
Seems to be the case. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2023 #10
Awaiting more sources... 2naSalit Oct 2023 #30
Really not sure about that Akakoji Oct 2023 #85
No the war would not end, it would get worse. Xolodno Oct 2023 #121
I disagree, OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2023 #122
Well, you can disagree. Xolodno Oct 2023 #124
At this point in Putin's reign, OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2023 #125
You're free to disagree about the unpopularity of the Ukrainian Special Operation in Russia amongst The_REAL_Ecumenist Oct 2023 #138
Yea, but I believe in karma. And some day a meteor will land on his ass and light him up. LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #15
Grim Reaper pls do the world a favor & recall this tyrant onetexan Oct 2023 #5
And take Trump with him BonnieJW Oct 2023 #34
Not until he has multiple convictions as a lesson for the ages Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2023 #135
Couldn't be more deserved Maeve Oct 2023 #6
I pray for the Fall of the House of Putin. bronxiteforever Oct 2023 #7
not according to this site unfortunately. bdamomma Oct 2023 #8
That's dated may 2023. LuckyCharms Oct 2023 #11
Well, there was a rumor before! I will believe it when I see it. So far, just one source. LeftInTX Oct 2023 #16
On my screen it's dated today. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #32
how strange NJCher Oct 2023 #59
May on my screen too. Attilatheblond Oct 2023 #113
Check the date, that was 5/18/23 oregonjen Oct 2023 #12
This is odd. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #33
I would go with the operative word WhiteTara Oct 2023 #89
you're referring to different links stopdiggin Oct 2023 #103
That sounds entirely plausible. MineralMan Oct 2023 #13
At least give us an afternoon of hope before you bring facts in. Geez LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #18
I guess bdamomma Oct 2023 #48
Even if they did post something, the question would be Which Putin? LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #63
Maybe because he didn't die? MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #69
Where is the NYT?............................... Lovie777 Oct 2023 #9
GOP sending thoughts and prayers to their bestie in the Kremlin Windicator Oct 2023 #14
That picture creeps me out Taraman Oct 2023 #81
GOP is submissive to Dark Forces Windicator Oct 2023 #137
That could set off a US multigraincracker Oct 2023 #82
Probably the butcher Saudi Prince who paid Jared? n/t Attilatheblond Oct 2023 #114
Which doppelganger was it? yonder Oct 2023 #17
Well... at least one of my voodoo dolls FalloutShelter Oct 2023 #19
Good one. MontanaMama Oct 2023 #51
Fingers crossed... FalloutShelter Oct 2023 #57
With pinpoint accuracy! calimary Oct 2023 #58
😅👍👍👍👍 rubbersole Oct 2023 #74
These news stories are dated after his supposed heart attack LeftInTX Oct 2023 #20
But which Putin? LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #22
Yeah bdamomma Oct 2023 #49
If true , will republican 's be in mourning ? bobby202 Oct 2023 #87
Oh, I'll drink to that! lindysalsagal Oct 2023 #21
About time. 2naSalit Oct 2023 #24
Come on, Grim Reaper! Deep State Witch Oct 2023 #25
Needs more sources SpankMe Oct 2023 #26
I've got Putin toilet paper waiting.... Tommy Carcetti Oct 2023 #27
Just his cup of tea and cookies. usonian Oct 2023 #28
Surprised they didn't close the door Johonny Oct 2023 #29
Like Beria did with Stalin! JoseBalow Oct 2023 #42
seems to be a catch DoBW Oct 2023 #31
I try never to wish harm upon anyone Bettie Oct 2023 #35
Right. There's nothing wrong with him that a funeral wouldn't take care of it. Captain Zero Oct 2023 #47
it's just a rumor at this point, and I don't see how it can be true pnwmom Oct 2023 #36
The Express and the Mirror are both tabloid trash. tman Oct 2023 #37
Propaganda bdamomma Oct 2023 #54
The Mirror can do some decent journalism even though it's a tabloid, Emrys Oct 2023 #136
Not until a reliable source reports this, it can't be trusted JohnSJ Oct 2023 #38
Odds are he will fully recover, unfortunately. mysteryowl Oct 2023 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Oct 2023 #40
Fuck off and die, Putin Blue Owl Oct 2023 #41
I'll flip a coin to determine if I believe this or not. Torchlight Oct 2023 #43
Thoughts and prayers. (n/t) Iggo Oct 2023 #45
Come on heart! Finish the job! edisdead Oct 2023 #46
Fan fiction superpatriotman Oct 2023 #52
What's a legit source? ananda Oct 2023 #53
not the one this is all based off of Celerity Oct 2023 #55
Legit Source? From Russia? And which Putin? LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #71
That's a good way to put it treestar Oct 2023 #72
Meds NowISeetheLight Oct 2023 #56
It was posted on Daily Kos -- some consider it reliable -- 2 hours ago, but has now been retracted. Silent Type Oct 2023 #60
Anyone can post to DailyKos..... brooklynite Oct 2023 #108
I know. And it's typically BS too. Silent Type Oct 2023 #120
He's about to speak from a lectern kept ready at his home usonian Oct 2023 #61
Is it filled with MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #77
Only as ballast usonian Oct 2023 #80
Close but no cigar. (if you know what I mean) SayItLoud Oct 2023 #62
The same subject was locked in LBN earlier today. It is being pushed by RW media especially Murdoch's british rumour Ford_Prefect Oct 2023 #64
I agree about the extreme unreliability, although it's actually a Murdoch competitor spreading it muriel_volestrangler Oct 2023 #134
My point here and elsewhere relates to the verity of the sources. Mirror and Express have been sued for tabloid style Ford_Prefect Oct 2023 #145
This story is likely untrue for all the reasons you state. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2023 #158
The world should be so lucky. lpbk2713 Oct 2023 #65
If this were true, I can't imagine it not being breaking news on CNN or MSNBC. Vinca Oct 2023 #66
... William769 Oct 2023 #68
Mods, please spike this discussion; it's been debunked. Now kill the thread. Bucky Oct 2023 #70
awww... too bad. i was hoping... ya know... nt orleans Oct 2023 #73
But, everyone is expressing their hopes and desires. LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #97
That is not the hosts job & we do not have MODS, not since DU2. NT William769 Oct 2023 #107
Hope TFG has his resume updated.......there may be an opening coming soon. KewlKat Oct 2023 #75
I know many pets become very depressed when their owners die. markodochartaigh Oct 2023 #76
Fuck him. Die already! Glamrock Oct 2023 #78
Sources are right-wing propaganda. TwilightZone Oct 2023 #79
Wrong guy! Was supposed to be TFG! Oh well.. still, GREAT news !! nt TeamProg Oct 2023 #83
TFG is shitting brick's again ! no pay check for a while! bobby202 Oct 2023 #88
Recent interview: Mr. Evil Oct 2023 #84
Please, God, let him die! Proud Southern Belle Oct 2023 #90
Agree with this poster. republianmushroom Oct 2023 #92
If true, good riddance.... Sogo Oct 2023 #91
Konsranrin at "inside Russia" addressed this Warpy Oct 2023 #94
That was always true for their mortal leaders. But Putin is god. He rules the Russian Orthodox. He has many LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #98
He's just the latest Czar Warpy Oct 2023 #106
It's not wishful thinking - it's complete nonsense. TwilightZone Oct 2023 #105
Whether you recover or not, Vlad: heckles65 Oct 2023 #99
True or not... this might give you a chuckle Nittersing Oct 2023 #101
So mote it be! niyad Oct 2023 #142
Could Putie please take trDumpie with him into the great beyond ? magicarpet Oct 2023 #102
Tea with Mousselini usonian Oct 2023 #109
T'is merely a scratch. usonian Oct 2023 #104
Got a few BandAids ? magicarpet Oct 2023 #112
I can't say what I'm thinking ecstatic Oct 2023 #110
So do I usonian Oct 2023 #119
Will Jared/Donald sell 18 tons of medical supplies like they did with COVID to China? keithbvadu2 Oct 2023 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Oct 2023 #115
I hope he takes leave of his mortal self Stinky The Clown Oct 2023 #116
Fingers crossed it's true kimbutgar Oct 2023 #117
Hopes a bad man leaves irisblue Oct 2023 #118
Not likely true and I've heard people cry wolf many times already. Xolodno Oct 2023 #123
Have we been hearing somber music over the Russian radio stations? Poiuyt Oct 2023 #126
I thought this thread was locked. Yet it's past 10PM EDT and not a single verified report. Wonder Why Oct 2023 #127
It is in GD, not LBN. niyad Oct 2023 #131
Aha! Thanks. Wonder Why Oct 2023 #140
What will DT do without Put on? DUar17 Oct 2023 #128
I have $5 on Trump dying before Putin Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #129
Thoughts and prayer thats it true. Historic NY Oct 2023 #130
The original source for this leaves MUCH to be desired in terms of veracity of reporting. LudwigPastorius Oct 2023 #132
So kind of like the old Pravda stories of years past, like "Brezhnev is presently recovering from a mild cold" LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #139
"Of course he will still be giving public appearances even after he is embalmed." Hotler Oct 2023 #141
Hmmmmm surfered Oct 2023 #143
I don't think much escapes to the media from his camp AllyCat Oct 2023 #144
He does not look at all well even though he is ostensibly still alive Richard D Oct 2023 #146
Yeah, no.... NotVeryImportant Oct 2023 #147
I suggest waiting for verification before posting something like this. Un case you hadn't noticed, Martin68 Oct 2023 #148
Time to kill this thread SpankMe Oct 2023 #149
Beats me why 100 people RECommended this thread! Get it off the front page! . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2023 #150
Stuff like this makes DU look like idiots. Wishing won't make it so. Hekate Oct 2023 #151
Spreading misinformation on DU CloudWatcher Oct 2023 #152
Assuming it's true (big assumption), Eyeball_Kid Oct 2023 #153
I wouldn't trust this until major sources confirm. There have been health claims since before the invasion started themaguffin Oct 2023 #154
Odd bigmonk Oct 2023 #159
Currently the most recommended thread on DU. Just lovely. sl8 Oct 2023 #155
so he's died once now? barbtries Oct 2023 #156
Well, if this report is untrue....and it appears that is the case. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2023 #160
If true snowybirdie Oct 2023 #161
Have there been any Putin sightings in the interim to debunk what was posted on Telegram? Efilroft Sul Oct 2023 #164
Even if there were sightings, which Putin was sighted? LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #165
More leeches!!! BobTheSubgenius Oct 2023 #166
Until I hear this on a mainstream news source I taking this story with a grain of salt. kimbutgar Oct 2023 #167

AZ8theist

(7,377 posts)
133. Not one single reliable source on this report.....
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 02:51 AM
Oct 2023

...I WISH IT WAS TRUE, but for now I call bullshit.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
157. Yes, this post has been up since yesterday and still no confirmation on...
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 01:44 PM
Oct 2023

major media sources. If this were true it would be all over ever news source...print, TV, Cable, internation outlets and internet.

This post should probably be taken down.

Celerity

(54,409 posts)
44. this all based off one post from one Russian Telegram channel, so caveat emptor
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 04:05 PM
Oct 2023
Генерал СВР

Дорогие подписчики и гости канала! Вчера около 21:05 по московскому времени сотрудники службы безопасности президента России Владимира Путина, находящиеся на дежурстве в резиденции, услышали шум и звуки падения, доносившиеся из спальни президента. Два сотрудника службы безопасности немедленно последовали в спальню президента и увидели Путина лежащего на полу возле кровати и перевернутый столик с едой и напитками. Вероятно, при падении президент задел и обрушил на пол стол и посуду, что и вызвало шум. Путин судорожно изгибался лежа на полу закатив глаза. Были немедленно вызваны медики, дежурившие в резиденции и находящиеся в одной из соседних комнат. Врачи провели реанимацию, предварительно выяснив, что у президента остановка сердца. Помощь была оказана вовремя, сердце запустили и Путин пришел в сознание. Президента переместили в специально оборудованную комнату в его резиденции, где уже было установлено необходимое медицинское оборудование для реанимации, практически это палата интенсивной терапии, оборудованная новейшей техникой. Состояние президента удалось стабилизировать, он находится под постоянным присмотром медиков. Мы уже неоднократно рассказывали об ухудшении состояния здоровья Путина на фоне онкологии и ряда других заболеваний. Этот случай с остановкой сердца, всерьёз встревожил ближайшее окружение президента, несмотря на то, что лечащие врачи уже предупреждали, что Путин очень плох и до конца осени вряд ли проживёт. В последнее время все официальные встречи и мероприятия проводит двойник президента. После известия о вечернем инциденте, несколько близких к Путину людей связались друг с другом в телефонном режиме и договорились в понедельник провести консультации на предмет возможных действий если президент умрёт в ближайшие дни.
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General SVR

Dear subscribers and guests of the channel! Yesterday at about 21:05 Moscow time, security officers of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who were on duty at the residence, heard noise and sounds of falling coming from the president's bedroom. Two security officers immediately followed into the president's bedroom and saw Putin lying on the floor next to the bed and an overturned table with food and drinks. Probably, when the president fell, he hit the table and dishes and knocked them onto the floor, which caused the noise. Putin convulsively arched while lying on the floor, rolling his eyes. The doctors who were on duty at the residence and located in one of the adjacent rooms were immediately called. Doctors performed resuscitation, having previously determined that the president was in cardiac arrest. Help was provided on time, the heart was started and Putin regained consciousness. The President was moved to a specially equipped room in his residence, where the necessary medical equipment for resuscitation had already been installed, practically an intensive care ward equipped with the latest technology. The president’s condition has been stabilized and is under constant medical supervision. We have already repeatedly talked about the deterioration of Putin’s health against the background of oncology and a number of other diseases. This case of cardiac arrest seriously alarmed the president’s inner circle, despite the fact that the attending doctors had already warned that Putin was very ill and was unlikely to live until the end of autumn. Recently, all official meetings and events have been conducted by the president’s double. After news of the evening incident, several people close to Putin contacted each other by telephone and agreed to hold consultations on Monday regarding possible actions if the president dies in the coming days.
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Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
50. If you're russian, in russia, and like the article
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 04:24 PM
Oct 2023

Bet there's knocking on your door :/

Igel

(37,535 posts)
93. Don't know if it sounds like bureaucratic officialese or
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 05:59 PM
Oct 2023

a translation from English.

I'll wait before believing it in the least.

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
96. Is this better than the old Soviet Pravda? I remember great articles of the Soviet landings on the moon and
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:11 PM
Oct 2023

one of the first I saw of the Czechoslovakian people welcoming the Soviet troops way back.

lastlib

(28,269 posts)
100. Remember Yuri Andropov "had a cold" for two weeks after he died.......
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:30 PM
Oct 2023

As did Komrade K. Chernenko...........

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
86. Exactly. This is the 25th time he's either died or been in serious condition
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 05:42 PM
Oct 2023

And a lot of people think he uses doubles in public

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
3. Actually, three media outlets all chasing the same "TELEGRAM post" as sourcing.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 03:16 PM
Oct 2023

Putin's health has been the subject of rumors for two years or more, now. If true, it could bring positive change (or not), but who knows...?

OAITW r.2.0

(32,137 posts)
10. Seems to be the case.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 03:25 PM
Oct 2023

I haven't heard anything on MSNBC this PM about this. Not even mention of a rumor. I hope it's true...I think the Ukraine War would end immediately if Putin is gone.

Xolodno

(7,350 posts)
121. No the war would not end, it would get worse.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 08:15 PM
Oct 2023

It's been noted that everyone likely to replace him is even more hawkish. It's one of the reasons why Biden has been very careful of escalation. If Putin is deposed, it won't be to end the war by them pulling out.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,137 posts)
122. I disagree,
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 08:26 PM
Oct 2023

There may be a bench, but none have Putin's accumulated autocratic authority. The Ukraine War is not popular, Russia is losing it's youth - on the field or leaving Russia. The next fool that wants to maintain the Putin War in Ukraine is not going to last long.

Xolodno

(7,350 posts)
124. Well, you can disagree.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 08:40 PM
Oct 2023

But the narrative that its unpopular in Russia is largely from our own media. Reality is, no one knows for sure. When we sanctioned them and strong armed a lot of companies to leave, we lost a lot of the ability to "read the room".

OAITW r.2.0

(32,137 posts)
125. At this point in Putin's reign,
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 08:47 PM
Oct 2023

just about everyone is "outside the room". I suspect that Putin is steadily moving towards his own "Downfall" moment. If he is ill, I truly hope that the Russian military can think like General Milley. What will Putin do, when he is truly cornered?

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(957 posts)
138. You're free to disagree about the unpopularity of the Ukrainian Special Operation in Russia amongst
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 07:02 AM
Oct 2023

the average citizen but as the wife of a Czech-Ukrainian-Bohemian w/family members in Russia, trust me when people tell you, including me, to say that this situation is NOT popular at all, is putting it mildly. Of course, there are lunatics who are giddy over what's going on but that's a very small number. comparitvely speaking. You hear people saying that they've got no opinion or that they "support" putin because remember that he looks at himself as a reincarnation of Stalin & you do know what Stalin became imfamous for, right? Does the name "GULAG ARCHIPELAGO" mean anything to you? These people aren't stupid & a few of them are old enough to have had friends, family or even themselves spent some time there... Hell, Homey likes to push folks out of windows, shoot them out of the sky or serve Polonium tea. PEOPLE AREN'T STUPID ENOUGH TO PLACE THEMSELVES &/or people they love in the bullseye by revealing their true feelings openly, online, to potential pollsters or "journalists".
This is NOT Russia's War, it's Putin's war. Don't get it twisted. Russians love their children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews etc as much as other people around the globe do. They're NOT happy with this at all & they're seeing young men & women killing or being killed & noncombatants are being maimed &/or dying; babies, children, youth, mamas & daddies. the elderly, the disabled, ad nauseum...UNNECESSARILY! Don't get me started on kidnapping Ukrainian children.
Putin will find himself dying in the same fashion Stalin did. Look that up. His demonic luck is and will run out sooner rather than later, mark my words. It's just a matter of time.

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
15. Yea, but I believe in karma. And some day a meteor will land on his ass and light him up.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 03:30 PM
Oct 2023

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
135. Not until he has multiple convictions as a lesson for the ages
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:08 AM
Oct 2023
The principle that presidents are not above the law must be firmly established by court cases. If he is not convicted, others will be emboldened to try it again.

Would be really great if he is sentenced to a prison term.

Best, but less likely due to all the delays forthcoming, would be him actually entering prison, serving some time, then stroking out.

Maeve

(43,457 posts)
6. Couldn't be more deserved
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 03:19 PM
Oct 2023

After all, he renounced his heart long ago, about time it returned the favor

LeftInTX

(34,295 posts)
16. Well, there was a rumor before! I will believe it when I see it. So far, just one source.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 03:30 PM
Oct 2023

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
32. On my screen it's dated today.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 03:46 PM
Oct 2023

10:06, Mon, Oct 23, 2023 | UPDATED: 14:36, Mon, Oct 23, 2023, to be exact.

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
33. This is odd.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 03:48 PM
Oct 2023

On my screen it says "10:06, Mon, Oct 23, 2023 | UPDATED: 14:36, Mon, Oct 23, 2023."

Now I don't know what to think!

stopdiggin

(15,463 posts)
103. you're referring to different links
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:51 PM
Oct 2023

the 'fact check' link (in thread) is dated May.
OP link, October

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
48. I guess
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 04:20 PM
Oct 2023

maybe it was a little premature of me to post. I checked BBC and saw nothing about Putin's demise listed.

Windicator

(157 posts)
14. GOP sending thoughts and prayers to their bestie in the Kremlin
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 03:30 PM
Oct 2023

If the Pootster kicks bucket, who will pull the strings of the GOP King Klown? Oh my.

yonder

(10,293 posts)
17. Which doppelganger was it?
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 03:30 PM
Oct 2023

A tactical ploy to unveil potential political opposition maneuvering for position?

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
49. Yeah
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 04:23 PM
Oct 2023

that's true body double, I wonder if Kim Jong Un has one too. It's tough being a dic...tator.

SpankMe

(3,720 posts)
26. Needs more sources
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 03:39 PM
Oct 2023

All of the links point to the same Telegram channel as their source. Smells like a planted story to me. I'll wait before I rejoice.

JoseBalow

(9,489 posts)
42. Like Beria did with Stalin!
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 04:03 PM
Oct 2023
Lozgachev said that Beria, upon seeing Stalin snoring, asked, “Lozgachev, why are you in such a panic? Can’t you see, Comrade Stalin is sleeping soundly. Don’t disturb him and stop alarming us.”
The True Story of the Death of Stalin



"This is fine."

pnwmom

(110,261 posts)
36. it's just a rumor at this point, and I don't see how it can be true
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 03:52 PM
Oct 2023

since you can't have a heart attack without a heart.

Emrys

(9,100 posts)
136. The Mirror can do some decent journalism even though it's a tabloid,
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:32 AM
Oct 2023

and usually tacks somewhat left of centre, albeit populist. I'm not saying that makes any of these reports about Putin true without corroboration.

The Express is indeed trash, and pretty hard right trash at that.

Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

Torchlight

(6,830 posts)
43. I'll flip a coin to determine if I believe this or not.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 04:04 PM
Oct 2023

Not that my belief or disbelief changes the taste of mustard in any way. If true, a lot of Ukrainian citizens in occupied territories and Ukrainian soldiers may be very happy very soon.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
60. It was posted on Daily Kos -- some consider it reliable -- 2 hours ago, but has now been retracted.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 04:41 PM
Oct 2023

usonian

(25,324 posts)
61. He's about to speak from a lectern kept ready at his home
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 04:47 PM
Oct 2023


Just "in case" ... pun intended.

Ford_Prefect

(8,613 posts)
64. The same subject was locked in LBN earlier today. It is being pushed by RW media especially Murdoch's british rumour
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 05:01 PM
Oct 2023

mongers. The original posting was click-bait and it worked. NO legit press has it nor have they even hinted it might be.

We get these same BS "alarms" about Putin's health or mental state "leaked about every 6 weeks. They are never posted by genuine press sources and always claim to be from "secret insider" sources.

If Putin were in this dire condition SOMEONE ELSE would already be in charge. The tank of sharks he swims in woiuldn't allow a power vacuum.

This "claim" is BS like the others. Last time I looked we require reliable sources and checkable facts, not hype and inuendo.

It needs to be locked.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,212 posts)
134. I agree about the extreme unreliability, although it's actually a Murdoch competitor spreading it
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:57 AM
Oct 2023

The 3 titles in the OP - Daily Express, The Mirror, and the Daily Record (which is Scottish) are all owned by Reach: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reach_plc

The Express is their right wing tabloid, the Mirror their left wing tabloid, and the Record more or less the Scottish version of the Mirror.

The other British source that's run with this is GB News - a new news channel known mainly for employing Conservative MPs as presenters (up to the deputy party chairman). That's mainly controlled by Paul Marshall, a Brexit-supporting businessman, now considering buying the Telegraph newspapers (there are rumours Murdoch wants to buy them too, but that would probably be blocked on monopoly grounds). Murdoch's tabloid The Sun doesn't seem to have touched this.

Ford_Prefect

(8,613 posts)
145. My point here and elsewhere relates to the verity of the sources. Mirror and Express have been sued for tabloid style
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:37 AM
Oct 2023

fabrication and rumour mongering. They are the print versions of click-bait journalism. When something ONLY appears in their pages one has to assume it is exageration, rumour, or outright fraud intended to push a headline.

It does not help to speculate on the oft repeated rumors about Putin's health or state of mind, however entertaining that may be, based upon what is clearly disinformation. To do so repeats the formula so well exploited by Murdoch and his ilk and distorts our reality based system at DU.

It might be a suggestion to make a discussion area for such topics and material to be posted and discussed, if only to track the disinfo and the sources.

I would prefer DU does not become dominated by material which of itself requires rigorous and repeated truth-checking. There is already enough doubt about reliable sources and possible leaning or filtering on their part.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,137 posts)
158. This story is likely untrue for all the reasons you state.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 01:53 PM
Oct 2023

But it's still a happy thought to consider and there's no guarantee that such an event might not happen in the not so distant future.

lpbk2713

(43,273 posts)
65. The world should be so lucky.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 05:01 PM
Oct 2023


I hope someone on his medical team has a conscience.

Accidents could happen.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
70. Mods, please spike this discussion; it's been debunked. Now kill the thread.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 05:17 PM
Oct 2023

Nothing personal, LibArkie. But you posted misinfo.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
76. I know many pets become very depressed when their owners die.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 05:22 PM
Oct 2023

Trump and many House Republicans are already having difficulties currently. I can't imagine that the loss of their master will make things any easier for them.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
79. Sources are right-wing propaganda.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 05:24 PM
Oct 2023

You should consider self-deleting this.

The fact that no one outside of the Murdoch orbit is reporting this should have been the first clue.

Mr. Evil

(3,457 posts)
84. Recent interview:
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 05:33 PM
Oct 2023

Reporter: President Putin, I thought you were dead.

Putin: I got better.

Reporter: What shall you do now?

Putin: No more interviews. Out with you.

Reporter: (slipping and falling out of 10 story window) AAAAAAAAAAaaaaahhh...

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
94. Konsranrin at "inside Russia" addressed this
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:02 PM
Oct 2023

The information came from a couple of Telegram channels that have had Putin at death's door for at least a couple of years. If anyone in Putin's inner circle had leaked the information, they'd be tracked down and offed immediately, and nothing of the sort has been seen, the channel is still going strong.

So take this with a pound or so of salt and realize it's most likely wishful thinking, as Russia would never release any news that Putin is not only human, he's also mortal. It just isn't done.

If he does kick the bucket, the usual procedure is to air "Swan Lake" on all TV channels for 3 days, at which time the next dictator has been chosen by the kingmakers.

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
98. That was always true for their mortal leaders. But Putin is god. He rules the Russian Orthodox. He has many
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:19 PM
Oct 2023

followers even in the U.S. Bibi is even a close friend along with Bibi's arch enemy the Ayatollah of Iran.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
106. He's just the latest Czar
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:56 PM
Oct 2023

The videos from hungry and under equipped troops are very telling, they all assume that they're suffering because Putin hasn't been told what's really happening to them.

He knows, he just doesn't give a shit. I don't know what it will take for that to dawn on them.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
105. It's not wishful thinking - it's complete nonsense.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:56 PM
Oct 2023

And, yet, we keep falling for it. Not only falling for it, in this case, but giving the propaganda further exposure.

Vetting one's sources is apparently too much effort.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
110. I can't say what I'm thinking
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 07:20 PM
Oct 2023

because I believe in karma. lol. Hopefully I can get away with posting this:

usonian

(25,324 posts)
119. So do I
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 07:59 PM
Oct 2023

But one can drop a hint.

See #109 above: “Tea with Mousselini”

I’ll offer a lot of positive thoughts in compensation. 🪷 🪷 🪷 🪷 🪷 🪷

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
111. Will Jared/Donald sell 18 tons of medical supplies like they did with COVID to China?
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 07:20 PM
Oct 2023

Medical supplies needed by Americans.

Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
117. Fingers crossed it's true
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 07:47 PM
Oct 2023

That evil man needs to be dead

If true 1done and 1 orange one to go.

Xolodno

(7,350 posts)
123. Not likely true and I've heard people cry wolf many times already.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 08:30 PM
Oct 2023

You'll know when he's passed on as there will be a storm of activity in Moscow as various heirs implement their plans, followed by Beijing, Minsk, Tehran and then Western capitals once they get the intel.

And everyone wishing and hoping this is true....be careful what you ask for.

The largest political party there is United Russia, followed by the Communist Party and both are pro war. Five of the remaining six are also pro war. The one that doesn't support war, practically has no say.

Wonder Why

(7,029 posts)
127. I thought this thread was locked. Yet it's past 10PM EDT and not a single verified report.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 10:24 PM
Oct 2023

Those Telegram guys must be good. Biden should hire them before Trump does.

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
132. The original source for this leaves MUCH to be desired in terms of veracity of reporting.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 01:27 AM
Oct 2023
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-general-svr-telegram-account-seeding-wild-putin-stories-2022-12

The fact that a couple of UK tabloids picked it up does nothing, I'm afraid, to bolster the credibility of the story.

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
139. So kind of like the old Pravda stories of years past, like "Brezhnev is presently recovering from a mild cold"
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 09:29 AM
Oct 2023

I always loved reading about a Soviet leader falling down a flight of stairs and Pravda reporting "Nothing but a scratch"

Hotler

(13,747 posts)
141. "Of course he will still be giving public appearances even after he is embalmed."
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:19 AM
Oct 2023

Weekend at Vlad's

surfered

(13,465 posts)
143. Hmmmmm
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:26 AM
Oct 2023

Well, he didn’t fall out a window, so unless he was poisoned, it might actually be cardiac arrest.

AllyCat

(18,842 posts)
144. I don't think much escapes to the media from his camp
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:32 AM
Oct 2023

Without kremlin consent. This was either leaked or he’s dead (one can only hope). Cardiac arrest is stoppage of heart electrical activity. It’s basically death unless they got him defibrillated within a few minutes. Hopefully, whoever was in charge of watching him waited 5 minutes before calling anyone.

 

Richard D

(10,018 posts)
146. He does not look at all well even though he is ostensibly still alive
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:46 AM
Oct 2023
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-rejects-speculation-that-putin-is-ill-uses-body-doubles-2023-10-24/

MOSCOW, Oct 24 (Reuters) - The Kremlin on Tuesday denied a report that President Vladimir Putin was ill, and laughed off persistent rumours that he used body doubles to cover for him in public appearances.

"Everything is fine with him, this is absolutely another fake," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said when asked about an unsourced report by a Russian Telegram channel, picked up by some Western media, that the president had suffered a serious health episode on Sunday evening.
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The spokesman laughed in response to a further question about body doubles, and denied that Putin had any.

"This belongs to the category of absurd information hoaxes that a whole series of media discuss with enviable tenacity. This evokes nothing but a smile," Peskov said.

Putin, a judo enthusiast who has long cultivated an "action man" image, turned 71 on Oct. 7. He maintains an intensive schedule of meetings and public appearances, many of them televised.

Martin68

(27,749 posts)
148. I suggest waiting for verification before posting something like this. Un case you hadn't noticed,
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 12:40 PM
Oct 2023

there's a lot of misinformation going around.

SpankMe

(3,720 posts)
149. Time to kill this thread
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 01:02 PM
Oct 2023

This "news" is likely misinformation. After 24 hours, there's still no verification. This would be huge, headline news if it were true.

Continuing to rec & kick this is sullying the Greatest Thread forum.

Please, mods, archive this and move on. Thanks.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
151. Stuff like this makes DU look like idiots. Wishing won't make it so.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 01:23 PM
Oct 2023

Has anyone bothered to alert on it?


CloudWatcher

(2,127 posts)
152. Spreading misinformation on DU
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 01:36 PM
Oct 2023

Sadly the alert topics don't include spreading false information as a violation.

The closest category is: No kooky, extremist, or hate content

It's not quite kooky, just wishful thinking and most likely incorrect.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,604 posts)
153. Assuming it's true (big assumption),
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 01:37 PM
Oct 2023

a big question would be for how long Putin's heart stopped. The longer it's not pumping, the more brain damage is inflicted. Oxygen deprivation is a real thing and has real consequences, and there's no guarantee that Putin will fully recover. But we've previously heard reports that Putin had terminal cancer that apparently disappeared, so we really have no credible information regarding this latest presumed "event."

themaguffin

(5,221 posts)
154. I wouldn't trust this until major sources confirm. There have been health claims since before the invasion started
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 01:37 PM
Oct 2023

bigmonk

(114 posts)
159. Odd
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 01:53 PM
Oct 2023

The BBC and CNN have said nothing about this. Odd that they would miss such a big story.
Unless someone made this up.

barbtries

(31,308 posts)
156. so he's died once now?
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 01:44 PM
Oct 2023

wish i knew we could believe this. If he's dead, will Russia let the world know?

OAITW r.2.0

(32,137 posts)
160. Well, if this report is untrue....and it appears that is the case.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 02:06 PM
Oct 2023

He's gonna go eventually, and I think the whole world will be a better place when he exits permanently.

Efilroft Sul

(4,413 posts)
164. Have there been any Putin sightings in the interim to debunk what was posted on Telegram?
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 11:17 AM
Oct 2023

That would settle this issue.

LiberalArkie

(19,807 posts)
165. Even if there were sightings, which Putin was sighted?
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 11:35 AM
Oct 2023

Even if it was the wrong Putin that fell and had to be revived, how does anyone but security know which Putin. Even when Brezhnev died, people doubted that, just because of Soviet media. It was always humorous with Pravda as the source as just every so often they printed something truthful. Now it appears that telegram has replaced Pravda.

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
167. Until I hear this on a mainstream news source I taking this story with a grain of salt.
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 12:24 PM
Oct 2023

But I hope it’s true nonetheless!

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