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Stardust Mirror

(685 posts)
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 05:35 PM Oct 2023

If CO keeps Mango Mussolini off the ballot cuz 14th insurrectionist, will other states follow?

And will that force GOP to run someone other than Drumpf? What if MAGAts write his name in anyway - wiil votes not be counted cuz 14th?

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If CO keeps Mango Mussolini off the ballot cuz 14th insurrectionist, will other states follow? (Original Post) Stardust Mirror Oct 2023 OP
If that happens, look for the Free-to-be-dumb Caucus to try and get Biden off the ballot in other states. madinmaryland Oct 2023 #1
Of course. The way to beat a threat to democracy is with more democracy Bucky Oct 2023 #9
MN also has a case in the works now. Ocelot II Oct 2023 #2
Bastards paywalled me! 634-5789 Oct 2023 #6
Try this: Ocelot II Oct 2023 #7
Thanks! 634-5789 Oct 2023 #16
SCOTUS awaits. Sneederbunk Oct 2023 #3
SCOTUS has already tossed one of these cases. Unanimous. former9thward Oct 2023 #4
would love to read that decision Stardust Mirror Oct 2023 #5
There was no written decision. former9thward Oct 2023 #8
That case was based on standing. A GOP candidate brought the case, Ocelot II Oct 2023 #10
I did not say they would not hear a case. former9thward Oct 2023 #11
We'll see. The originalists might actually go for it. Ocelot II Oct 2023 #12
Doesn't Trump need to be actually convicted TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #14
No, at least according to Laurence Tribe and Michael Luttig. Ocelot II Oct 2023 #15
They won't so it's moot. brooklynite Oct 2023 #13

madinmaryland

(65,729 posts)
1. If that happens, look for the Free-to-be-dumb Caucus to try and get Biden off the ballot in other states.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 05:38 PM
Oct 2023

Not that there would be any evidence to keep Biden of the ballot, but they would try.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
9. Of course. The way to beat a threat to democracy is with more democracy
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:15 PM
Oct 2023

Trump has to be voted down. Shortcuts won't work. Skipping over the jury part of finding him guilty of insurrection won't work.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
4. SCOTUS has already tossed one of these cases. Unanimous.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:03 PM
Oct 2023

I suspect that will be the fate of others if they reach that far.

Stardust Mirror

(685 posts)
5. would love to read that decision
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:07 PM
Oct 2023

any chance of a link, please?

not disputing you, just curious to read their (I predict) twisted logic

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
8. There was no written decision.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:14 PM
Oct 2023

They refused to hear the case.

Supreme Court declines to consider longshot bid to disqualify Trump from running for president

The Supreme Court said Monday that it will not take up a longshot challenge to Donald Trump’s eligibility to run for president because of his alleged role in the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol.

The case was brought by John Anthony Castro, a little-known candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, who sued Trump earlier this year in an effort to disqualify him from running for president and holding the office “given his alleged provision of aid or comfort to the convicted criminals and insurrectionist that violently attacked our United States Capitol on January 6, 2021.”

The case was denied without any comment or recorded vote.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/donald-trump-fourteenth-amendment-ballot-case-supreme-court/index.html

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
10. That case was based on standing. A GOP candidate brought the case,
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:16 PM
Oct 2023

but the lower federal court said he didn't suffer a legal injury. USSC denied cert.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-supreme-court-rebuffs-long-shot-candidates-bid-disqualify-trump-2024-2023-10-02/

This doesn't mean they wouldn't hear a case if the plaintiff can find a basis for standing.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
11. I did not say they would not hear a case.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:19 PM
Oct 2023

I predicted in my post that if a case is ever heard by the SC on this issue it will suffer the same fate -- tossed.

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
15. No, at least according to Laurence Tribe and Michael Luttig.
Mon Oct 23, 2023, 10:49 PM
Oct 2023

The 14th Amendment doesn't refer to criminal conviction as a precondition; Tribe and Luttig say it's self-executing. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/donald-trump-constitutionally-prohibited-presidency/675048/

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