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Stinky The Clown

(68,927 posts)
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:22 AM Oct 2023

I have a feeling that if Emmer gets to a floor vote, Democrats will put him over the top

He's probably the best we can hope for.

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I have a feeling that if Emmer gets to a floor vote, Democrats will put him over the top (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Oct 2023 OP
I'd rather the Republicans got it done mahina Oct 2023 #1
"Nooooooooo!" - Grand Imperial Republican Liar Windicator Oct 2023 #2
Don't agree yankee87 Oct 2023 #3
I don't think Dems should be too quick BootinUp Oct 2023 #4
Dems will just vote no. The leverage will be gone. boston bean Oct 2023 #13
A whole bunch of people voting Present Renew Deal Oct 2023 #5
This may not matter if Emmer is already elected as speaker LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2023 #8
I don't know the rules well enough. How would that help Emmer??? patricia92243 Oct 2023 #10
It would reduce the margin to win a majority. NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #11
Did not understand that! Thanks for the reply. patricia92243 Oct 2023 #12
Isn't the winner of plurality likely to be Jeffries? Walleye Oct 2023 #19
Has to be a majority of votes for a person. NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #21
They were bouncing around the idea of changing the rules to make it as simple plurality to win the speaker ship.Doubt it Walleye Oct 2023 #22
It's been done twice in history, but was also ratified in both instances by a majority vote. NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #23
Agree. Walleye Oct 2023 #25
It requires a majority of those voting to be elected speaker getagrip_already Oct 2023 #29
which is what I said, though in half the words. NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #30
Its the half you left out that made it confusing.... getagrip_already Oct 2023 #32
I think that too. The question is do they still have that rule that one person can vote patricia92243 Oct 2023 #6
The rules still stand.... getagrip_already Oct 2023 #33
My suspicion is AkFemDem Oct 2023 #7
Hope his family doesn't get death threats from the cult dalton99a Oct 2023 #9
GOP Speaker Candidate Tom Emmer Opposed Cancer Treatment Clinics as a Lobbyist in 2011 asiliveandbreathe Oct 2023 #14
NO D votes without consideration!!! Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #15
Dean Phillips of MN indicates he'd be open to it. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #16
Dems will not give the GOP Johonny Oct 2023 #17
I do not think so jcgoldie Oct 2023 #18
eewww iemanja Oct 2023 #20
Zero Dems should vote for a Republican. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #24
Would be shocked if that happened without an ironclad agreement onenote Oct 2023 #26
Not a chance Tomconroy Oct 2023 #27
Democrats won't be voting for Emmer... brooklynite Oct 2023 #28
We'd have heard? Yeah, right.... getagrip_already Oct 2023 #31
It may make sense for some Democrats to vote for Emmer LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2023 #34
I hope that the Democrats will not vote for any Republican for speaker. totodeinhere Oct 2023 #35
He's probably the least worst we can hope for. Mister Ed Oct 2023 #36
If democrats help Emmer. They may pay a price at home. nt Prairie_Seagull Oct 2023 #37
I hope not! ananda Oct 2023 #38
Nope. Dems need to get something tangible in return for their support. Yavin4 Oct 2023 #39
This is how unhinged that party has become EnergizedLib Oct 2023 #40

mahina

(20,466 posts)
1. I'd rather the Republicans got it done
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:26 AM
Oct 2023

But somebody has to. I think Hakeem Jeffries just got this under control, and I trust his judgment more than I trust our state’s “centrist” Ed Case.

Windicator

(157 posts)
2. "Nooooooooo!" - Grand Imperial Republican Liar
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:26 AM
Oct 2023

"Emmer told the truth. He failed to support The Big Lie. He's a RINO. Vote him down."

- Grand Imperial Republican Liar

BootinUp

(50,986 posts)
4. I don't think Dems should be too quick
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:27 AM
Oct 2023

to rescue the House GOP. I am hoping we at least get some rules changed. Let the country see what a clusterfuck the puke party is.

LetMyPeopleVote

(175,578 posts)
8. This may not matter if Emmer is already elected as speaker
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:29 AM
Oct 2023

Emmer will know that the Freedom Caucus will be gunning for him and will need to work with Democrats to defeat a motion to remove

NutmegYankee

(16,461 posts)
11. It would reduce the margin to win a majority.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:34 AM
Oct 2023

You only need to win a majority of votes for a person.

NutmegYankee

(16,461 posts)
21. Has to be a majority of votes for a person.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:02 AM
Oct 2023

Currently 433 seats are filled, so 217 is the magic number. If 10 Republicans voted present, it would be 423, and 212 would win the day. But that doesn't allow for a single Democrat to vote Present. Odds of 10 Repubs voting present are basically nil. But if Dems can strike a deal, they could allow a Repub to win and also deny they voted for him.

Walleye

(43,902 posts)
22. They were bouncing around the idea of changing the rules to make it as simple plurality to win the speaker ship.Doubt it
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:09 AM
Oct 2023

NutmegYankee

(16,461 posts)
23. It's been done twice in history, but was also ratified in both instances by a majority vote.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:15 AM
Oct 2023

Doubt the latter part would happen this time.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
29. It requires a majority of those voting to be elected speaker
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:23 AM
Oct 2023

And voting present is not counted as a vote. So it reduces the count of those voting by 1 for every member who does it, thus reducing the number of votes someone needs to be elected.

patricia92243

(12,971 posts)
6. I think that too. The question is do they still have that rule that one person can vote
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:28 AM
Oct 2023

that person off - like they did McCarthy. (Or whatever the procedure is.) If that is still the case, they will just turn around and kick Emmer out.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
33. The rules still stand....
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:38 AM
Oct 2023

They can't vote on a new rules package until they have a new speaker.

Then it's a torturous path mid term I believe to enact new rules. It has to go through committe, debate, full house vote, etc.

But if Emmer is elected speaker, presumably whatever majority elects him will defeat a motion to remove him.

 

AkFemDem

(2,508 posts)
7. My suspicion is
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:29 AM
Oct 2023

They will have a certain number not vote, which then lowers the bar on how many republicans Emmer would need to pass. I don't see any democrats openly voting for him though.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
14. GOP Speaker Candidate Tom Emmer Opposed Cancer Treatment Clinics as a Lobbyist in 2011
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:39 AM
Oct 2023
https://www.meidastouch.com/news/gop-speaker-candidate-tom-emmer-opposed-cancer-treatment-clinics-as-a-lobbyist-in-2011

Emmer’s lobbying job was to prevent more cancer clinics from opening in the state, which would help existing cancer treatment groups to have less competition. This means fighting for less treatment options for the people of Minnesota is how Emmer made his money as a lobbyist.


Nice guy

Happy Hoosier

(9,424 posts)
15. NO D votes without consideration!!!
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:40 AM
Oct 2023

Nope. ANy candidate that wants D votes needs to offer an actual reason to support them. Because 100%, the GQP is gonna do its level-best to shit all over Democrats.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,484 posts)
16. Dean Phillips of MN indicates he'd be open to it.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:42 AM
Oct 2023
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/oct/24/house-speaker-vote-republican-candidates-latest-joe-biden-us-politics-live

As the GOP gears up to nominate its third candidate for speaker, one Democrat has broken ranks to say they would be open to collaborating with the GOP to elect a leader for Congress’s lower chamber, but only with conditions. That’s Minnesota’s Dean Phillips, who is already on thin ice with some in his party for reportedly mulling a run against Biden:

Johonny

(25,568 posts)
17. Dems will not give the GOP
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 10:45 AM
Oct 2023

A single vote without an agreement in place. Best can hope for means little.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
24. Zero Dems should vote for a Republican.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:17 AM
Oct 2023

This is their problem. They need to fix it. Just like zero Republicans will for for a Dem.

onenote

(46,005 posts)
26. Would be shocked if that happened without an ironclad agreement
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:19 AM
Oct 2023

to adhere to the budget terms included in the debt ceiling deal and to keep the government open and to fund Israel and Ukraine per the president's plan.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
28. Democrats won't be voting for Emmer...
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:20 AM
Oct 2023

...without a prior agreement with Jeffries that's we'd have heard about.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
31. We'd have heard? Yeah, right....
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:30 AM
Oct 2023

I seriously doubt we would hear shit unless and until Jeffries wanted us to hear something.

The Republicans he would be talking like wouldn't leak and neither would he.

I'm sure this has been whispered over for a while between the sides. We just don't know it. We may never know it cuz nothing may ever happen.

totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
35. I hope that the Democrats will not vote for any Republican for speaker.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 12:49 PM
Oct 2023

I am holding out hope that five fairly reasonable Republican moderates will cross over and vote for Jeffries. That would by far be the best outcome.

Mister Ed

(6,845 posts)
36. He's probably the least worst we can hope for.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 12:57 PM
Oct 2023

He's no good, that's for sure. I've had the dubious privilege of being his constituent until a boundary change put me in another district. Mrs. Ed has had the even more dubious honor of being part of a group of citizens who met with him in his office over local environmental concerns. You can be sure he was of no help with that. Mrs. Ed found him utterly repellent in person.

In other words, he's a Republican. But he's not batshit crazy, and he's not actively trying to sabotage and destroy the U.S. government. So yeah, he's probably the least worst we can get for now.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
39. Nope. Dems need to get something tangible in return for their support.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 01:17 PM
Oct 2023

The days of unilateral surrender to the Republicans need to end.

EnergizedLib

(2,935 posts)
40. This is how unhinged that party has become
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 01:25 PM
Oct 2023

Emmer has awful positions on things and he’s seen as the least crazy of their candidates.

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