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Just in: Mark Meadows granted immunity (Original Post) Tommy Carcetti Oct 2023 OP
Another damn RINO Windicator Oct 2023 #1
Some of these high rollers need to walk the plank. I don't trust the SCOTUS. GreenWave Oct 2023 #2
SCOTUS has consistently ruled against Trump Fiendish Thingy Oct 2023 #58
When he was Potus, they sat on a case GreenWave Oct 2023 #81
What case was that? Fiendish Thingy Oct 2023 #84
here 'tis GreenWave Oct 2023 #91
Know what would have happened if they ruled faster against Trump? Fiendish Thingy Oct 2023 #92
I've been thinking the same. yardwork Oct 2023 #65
A shame he gets immunity moniss Oct 2023 #3
Whatever he is giving up better be good..... TheRealNorth Oct 2023 #4
No doubt, see Iran-Contra hibbing Oct 2023 #16
No doubt Smith got a proffer before offering it. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #86
No. He didn't brooklynite Oct 2023 #89
Meadows was the multi-pronged coup plot conduit.. agingdem Oct 2023 #29
Pretty sure ancianita Oct 2023 #50
Exactly! ShazzieB Oct 2023 #54
No need to trust Meadows if you trust Jack Smith. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #57
Trump: "Who is this Mark Meadows that you speak of? Never met him" stumpysbear Oct 2023 #5
Wasn't Mark that coffee boy that The Don always called Jose? struggle4progress Oct 2023 #49
Before he was my district's representative, he was the village idiot IMHO so the Repugs voted him to the House Wonder Why Oct 2023 #83
Game over for Trump tinrobot Oct 2023 #6
Obligatory Aliens meme required Shermann Oct 2023 #25
I wish I had a nickel for every time I've heard that JoseBalow Oct 2023 #31
That GIF is mesmerizing. nt. druidity33 Oct 2023 #40
It just keeps getting closer and closer... JoseBalow Oct 2023 #43
It looks like it is on a cycle. You can't tell the restart. It's very well done. n/t aggiesal Oct 2023 #76
It's seamless, and pretty tippy JoseBalow Oct 2023 #80
Whoa! I got dizzy watching this! SWBTATTReg Oct 2023 #90
more from abc orleans Oct 2023 #7
Trump? Dishonest? Clash City Rocker Oct 2023 #32
Or a solid or a Vapor (steam) ... aggiesal Oct 2023 #77
Jail time has a way of swaying suits bucolic_frolic Oct 2023 #8
You know who doesn't have to worry about his chief of staff working an immunity deal? gratuitous Oct 2023 #9
Like Paulus At Stalingrad ProfessorGAC Oct 2023 #10
No, Meadows is not willing to do time for Trump. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #37
He was one of the lucky ones to return to Germany ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 2023 #41
For Certain ProfessorGAC Oct 2023 #63
Wow.. he must have some good secrets! Cha Oct 2023 #11
Oh, I'm sure he does! ShazzieB Oct 2023 #44
REC. TY! Cha Oct 2023 #45
K&R spanone Oct 2023 #12
i don't trust this man. barbtries Oct 2023 #13
But do you trust Jack Smith? ShazzieB Oct 2023 #48
That's what I'm holding on to. I trust Jack's judgment ecstatic Oct 2023 #55
i do. barbtries Oct 2023 #68
Meadows isn't smart enough ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #87
Wow.. its all closing in on The Dump. honest.abe Oct 2023 #14
How much more do they need? Diamond_Dog Oct 2023 #15
Well, they need a jury, and an actual trial you know... nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2023 #62
Good grief ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #88
Well, so much for his i belived i won defense..... getagrip_already Oct 2023 #17
LOL. "Mark Meadows did nothing but fetch my Diet Cokes" in 5...4...3...2...1... catbyte Oct 2023 #18
Good luck to Trump with that! ShazzieB Oct 2023 #51
OK bagimin Oct 2023 #19
That's the big hammer. LudwigPastorius Oct 2023 #20
Such a great day!!!! ALBliberal Oct 2023 #35
wonder what the immunity covers. election case? MAL docs case? Both? nt wiggs Oct 2023 #21
They be dropping like flies. bluescribbler Oct 2023 #22
Okay.. this is a BFD. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #23
The government had better grant him not only immunity DFW Oct 2023 #24
That video is brilliant! ShazzieB Oct 2023 #42
Thanks! DFW Oct 2023 #60
I thoroughly enjoyed that one! llmart Oct 2023 #74
He ought to be! We made that video a year ago, by the way. Prescient, eh? DFW Oct 2023 #78
Waiting for Donald trump to come out and say I didn't know Mark Meadows disablegamer Oct 2023 #26
He's not as quick as he used to be DFW Oct 2023 #79
Freepers--this is HUGH! Kingofalldems Oct 2023 #27
Right you are! A great money raising opportunity for Trump! rurallib Oct 2023 #34
Does anyone have a camera on trump right now? Bluethroughu Oct 2023 #28
Meadows gives Jack Smith, intent. gab13by13 Oct 2023 #30
Welp blogslug Oct 2023 #33
I hope there is someway Meadows can tie Junior, Gums and Vanky into the scheme rurallib Oct 2023 #36
drumpf is done for Takket Oct 2023 #38
I wonder if he will plead out in Georgia mtngirl47 Oct 2023 #39
So far the answer is no, and I think he's missed the boat in Georgia FakeNoose Oct 2023 #47
I truly hope that happens - the goose cookin' part. NoMoreRepugs Oct 2023 #53
I just finished Cassidy Hutchinson's book FakeNoose Oct 2023 #69
After reading the whole story, Mr.Bill Oct 2023 #46
And the MAGA HOUSE GOP are rearranging deck chairs... jcgoldie Oct 2023 #52
Guilty as hell! Proud Southern Belle Oct 2023 #56
Not only can he bring down Trump... Fiendish Thingy Oct 2023 #59
I could not agree more! ShazzieB Oct 2023 #64
Ginni Thomas might have her time in the barrel, too. Efilroft Sul Oct 2023 #71
I think he should be sentenced to live in that trailer Mr.Bill Oct 2023 #73
Nail in Trump coffin, maybe Joinfortmill Oct 2023 #61
Meadows is a snake. He won't give them much. 617Blue Oct 2023 #66
I call bull $h1t on some of Mark Meadows statements ... aggiesal Oct 2023 #67
Not what you think... brooklynite Oct 2023 #70
that's gonna leave a mark prodigitalson Oct 2023 #72
Am I the only one who had to ask "Which indictment"? eggplant Oct 2023 #75
Unindicted co-conspirator # ???? (I forget) MissMillie Oct 2023 #82
The Wheels on the Bus go round n round, round n round Shanti Shanti Shanti Oct 2023 #85

Windicator

(157 posts)
1. Another damn RINO
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 04:57 PM
Oct 2023

Lacks the intestinal regurgitude to support THE BIG LIE.

Needs a double-shot of GOP pus & scum.

?w=1000

GreenWave

(12,636 posts)
2. Some of these high rollers need to walk the plank. I don't trust the SCOTUS.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 04:57 PM
Oct 2023

They will save IQ 45. Start jailing those Richard heads who caused us so much grief.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,167 posts)
58. SCOTUS has consistently ruled against Trump
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:32 PM
Oct 2023

Every case with Trump as a named party that has come before this SCOTUS, he has lost.

Except for maybe Clarence, none of them has any loyalty to TFG.

GreenWave

(12,636 posts)
81. When he was Potus, they sat on a case
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 09:02 PM
Oct 2023

so long they said they do not have to rule for he is no longer Potus,

If these cases get delayed until late next year ...

Fiendish Thingy

(23,167 posts)
92. Know what would have happened if they ruled faster against Trump?
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 04:23 PM
Oct 2023

Nothing, except perhaps another stalled impeachment effort.

The Emoluments Clause has no statutory equivalent, and no enforcement mechanism other than impeachment.

The plaintiffs may have been able to get to a civil trial, but that wouldn’t have guaranteed any awards for damages.

So, one ruling in Trump’s favor, and at least half a dozen against him for claims of privilege, immunity, etc.

yardwork

(69,352 posts)
65. I've been thinking the same.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:50 PM
Oct 2023

They're all getting immunity or probation. All of these people should be in jail but now they're all getting deals - for what? To get Trump?

I understand but geez...

moniss

(9,047 posts)
3. A shame he gets immunity
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 04:57 PM
Oct 2023

because of his burning of evidence. He didn't just "know about it and warn him" but rather was an integral plotter and conductor of the crimes. I also don't trust him to tell the truth during testimony much like Weaselnuts in the NY case.

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
4. Whatever he is giving up better be good.....
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:01 PM
Oct 2023

Because the SOB deserves to rot in jail with TFG.

hibbing

(10,596 posts)
16. No doubt, see Iran-Contra
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:17 PM
Oct 2023

He better bring the solid goods or I will be royally po'd.

Peace

Happy Hoosier

(9,533 posts)
86. No doubt Smith got a proffer before offering it.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 11:44 PM
Oct 2023

He knew what he was getting before the deal was
made

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
89. No. He didn't
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 12:59 PM
Oct 2023

He's not facing charges in the Federal case unless something has changed.

This is a PAST-TENSE story. He was subpoenaed to talk to the Grand Jury. He would have likely pled the Fifth without immunity from prosecution.

agingdem

(8,838 posts)
29. Meadows was the multi-pronged coup plot conduit..
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:36 PM
Oct 2023

everything and every one went through Mark Meadows...he was always going to get immunity if he flipped on Trump...as much as we'd like to see Meadows and his fellow coup conspirators rotting in a prison cell (and MAGA congressional enablers), January 6 was Trump's "baby" and getting Trump is priority #1..

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
50. Pretty sure
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:21 PM
Oct 2023

Last edited Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:59 PM - Edit history (1)

Jack Smith's gotten him to admit he burned evidence, and Smith's got ever so much more evidence that Meadows must admit to, and so had to cut a plea deal in return for KEY eye witness testimony on Trump. In addition to what he admitted on videotape in the GA case.
Smith wouldn't give immunity unless he got everything he needed to convict Trump.

ShazzieB

(22,568 posts)
54. Exactly!
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:27 PM
Oct 2023

As I said in another reply, Smith is nobody's fool, and he knows exactly what he's doing.

It doesn't matter if we think Meadows is trustworthy or not. Smith is the one who's in charge here, and I believe we can trust him.

ShazzieB

(22,568 posts)
57. No need to trust Meadows if you trust Jack Smith.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:32 PM
Oct 2023

I trust Smith. I trust his experience and his judgment. Prosecutors don't give someone immunity without a damned good reason, and Smith is a very experienced prosector.

Trump's ugly orange hide is about to get nailed to the wall, and Meadows is going to supply a lot of the nails!

Wonder Why

(6,992 posts)
83. Before he was my district's representative, he was the village idiot IMHO so the Repugs voted him to the House
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 09:15 PM
Oct 2023

to get rid of him.

JoseBalow

(9,470 posts)
80. It's seamless, and pretty tippy
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 08:18 PM
Oct 2023

I often refer to that gif to compare something that is perpetually out of reach.

I imagine that's what it must be like to fall out of a plane in an Abbott and Costello movie!

orleans

(36,907 posts)
7. more from abc
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:06 PM
Oct 2023
https://abcnews.go.com/US/chief-staff-mark-meadows-granted-immunity-tells-special/story


"Ex-Chief of Staff Mark Meadows granted immunity, tells special counsel he warned Trump about 2020 claims: Sources
Meadows said Trump was "dishonest" on election night, according to sources.

Former President Donald Trump's final chief of staff in the White House, Mark Meadows, has spoken with special counsel Jack Smith's team at least three times this year, including once before a federal grand jury, which came only after Smith granted Meadows immunity to testify under oath, according to sources familiar with the matter.

The sources said Meadows informed Smith's team that he repeatedly told Trump in the weeks after the 2020 presidential election that the allegations of significant voting fraud coming to them were baseless, a striking break from Trump's prolific rhetoric regarding the election.

According to the sources, Meadows also told the federal investigators Trump was being "dishonest" with the public when he first claimed to have won the election only hours after polls closed on Nov. 3, 2020, before final results were in.


aggiesal

(10,788 posts)
77. Or a solid or a Vapor (steam) ...
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 07:52 PM
Oct 2023

I willing to bet that he says the opposite in his book.
I think Jack Smith should require Meadows to release a new book with updates based on how he testified.

How can believe Meadows at this point.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. You know who doesn't have to worry about his chief of staff working an immunity deal?
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:09 PM
Oct 2023

Aw, you guessed!

ProfessorGAC

(76,673 posts)
10. Like Paulus At Stalingrad
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:12 PM
Oct 2023

"I'm not committing suicide for that corporal!"
Meadows isn't willing to do time for TFG.

ShazzieB

(22,568 posts)
37. No, Meadows is not willing to do time for Trump.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:53 PM
Oct 2023

And I say good for him. Orange Foolius isn't worth taking a slap on the wrist for, let along going to prison for him.

Anyone who is willing to sacrifice themselves for Trump is an idiot. He would throw any or all of his co‐conspirators under every bus he could find if he thought it might save his own ass.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(3,213 posts)
41. He was one of the lucky ones to return to Germany
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:04 PM
Oct 2023

About 90% of German POWs in the USSR didn't. He did receive special treatment because of his rank

ProfessorGAC

(76,673 posts)
63. For Certain
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:40 PM
Oct 2023

Only about 1 in 18 POWs ever got back to Germany.
It's said that Chuikov personally liked Paulus. That probably affected his treatment, too.

ShazzieB

(22,568 posts)
44. Oh, I'm sure he does!
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:09 PM
Oct 2023

After reading Cassidy Hutchinson's book, I think Meadows knows where all the bodies are buried, or at least an awful lot of them. I can't wait to hear what he has to say!

ShazzieB

(22,568 posts)
48. But do you trust Jack Smith?
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:18 PM
Oct 2023

I do, and I am positive he wouldn't be giving Meadows immunity unless he was absolutely sure that 1) Meadows has the goods on Trump, and 2) Meadows is willing to spill everything he knows.

Smith is a very experienced prosecutor, and he's nobody's fool. He knows what he's doing. He also probably has dirt on Meadows that he can hold over his head to make sure he doesn't get out of line.

ecstatic

(35,074 posts)
55. That's what I'm holding on to. I trust Jack's judgment
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:28 PM
Oct 2023

I truly believe meadows belongs in prison, and I hope that will happen in the Georgia case. I believe meadows was complicit in the classified documents theft as well, but he seems to have gotten away with that.

barbtries

(31,307 posts)
68. i do.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 07:01 PM
Oct 2023

but he's not infallible, and Meadows is a snake. time will tell, i hope for the best

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
87. Meadows isn't smart enough
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 12:51 PM
Oct 2023

To get the drop on Jack Smith.

He's not smart enough to outwit my cat--who is a really dumb cat, but I love her anyway.

catbyte

(39,141 posts)
18. LOL. "Mark Meadows did nothing but fetch my Diet Cokes" in 5...4...3...2...1...
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:18 PM
Oct 2023

"I couldn't place him in a lineup."

I'll bet he's raging now.

ShazzieB

(22,568 posts)
51. Good luck to Trump with that!
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:21 PM
Oct 2023

Cassidy Hutchinson (and probably lots of other people) can blow that excuse out of the water without even trying.

LudwigPastorius

(14,703 posts)
20. That's the big hammer.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:21 PM
Oct 2023

Meadows was in on all of the plotting. His testimony could put Trump away for a long time.

GodDAMN it's turning into a good day.!

DFW

(60,169 posts)
24. The government had better grant him not only immunity
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:27 PM
Oct 2023

But also personal round-the-clock security. The moment this became public is the moment no life insurance company in the world would not have tripled his premiums.

As for Trump, our secretly placed microphones happened to catch his reaction. Here you go:

ShazzieB

(22,568 posts)
42. That video is brilliant!
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:04 PM
Oct 2023

A great parody of one of my favorite songs.

The real TFG would be red in the face and furious, flailing his little fists around in his rage, but I kind of like this pathetic, muppet-faced version of Trump. Very nicely done!

DFW

(60,169 posts)
60. Thanks!
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:36 PM
Oct 2023

Not one of the more spectacular we've made, but we thought the song fit nicely as a parody.

DFW

(60,169 posts)
78. He ought to be! We made that video a year ago, by the way. Prescient, eh?
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 08:09 PM
Oct 2023

We thought the topic had a short shelf life, but it turns that out it might be making the rounds for a while yet.

DFW

(60,169 posts)
79. He's not as quick as he used to be
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 08:11 PM
Oct 2023

It might take a day or two for this all to sink in. Give it until the end of the week for him to forget the name entirely.

gab13by13

(32,278 posts)
30. Meadows gives Jack Smith, intent.
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:38 PM
Oct 2023

Meadows can verify why Trump didn’t call off the unwashed Magats.

blogslug

(39,161 posts)
33. Welp
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:47 PM
Oct 2023

I guess that's what happens when a lying liar tells you they'll protect you and then they don't and you find out that you're on your own.

rurallib

(64,688 posts)
36. I hope there is someway Meadows can tie Junior, Gums and Vanky into the scheme
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:52 PM
Oct 2023

Maybe they can get a family rate at Club Fed?
Oh - and Jared of course.

Takket

(23,712 posts)
38. drumpf is done for
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:55 PM
Oct 2023

There's no defense he can mount that will counteract all the people around him testifying to his crimes.

mtngirl47

(1,242 posts)
39. I wonder if he will plead out in Georgia
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 05:57 PM
Oct 2023

And then it will be all over for trump and the remaining defendants.

FakeNoose

(41,585 posts)
47. So far the answer is no, and I think he's missed the boat in Georgia
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:13 PM
Oct 2023

Fani Willis would have offered him a deal a month ago, or even a few weeks ago. But Meadows was busy trying to get the venue changed to the federal courts, and that bombed completely. Now there are least 3 ahead of him getting the plea deals in Georgia.

His testimony won't mean squat, if Chump can be convicted on the testimonies of Sidney Powell, Kenneth Chesebro, and Jenna Ellis. I'm guessing the Attorney General already has enough from those three.

Meadows' goose is cooked, right along with his former boss.

FakeNoose

(41,585 posts)
69. I just finished Cassidy Hutchinson's book
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 07:07 PM
Oct 2023

She makes it pretty clear that her boss (Mark Meadows) was all in with Chump - regardless of what he says now.
Cassidy herself didn't witness most of those meetings, but she transferred phone calls, emails, text messages, etc. for her boss and she heard a lot of things that didn't make sense until the coup attempt on January 6th.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
46. After reading the whole story,
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:13 PM
Oct 2023

Am I correct about these two things:

1. This happened awhile ago and we are just finding out about it now?

2. This doesn't get him out of trouble in Georgia?

Fiendish Thingy

(23,167 posts)
59. Not only can he bring down Trump...
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:35 PM
Oct 2023

Meadows can convict Eastman, Clark, Giuliani, and half of the Republicans in congress.

If he does, then giving him immunity will be totally worth it.

ShazzieB

(22,568 posts)
64. I could not agree more!
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:41 PM
Oct 2023

Meadows holds the keys to so many things. His immunity will pay off immeasurably in convictions of others.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
73. I think he should be sentenced to live in that trailer
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 07:19 PM
Oct 2023

he claimed as a residence for voter registration.

aggiesal

(10,788 posts)
67. I call bull $h1t on some of Mark Meadows statements ...
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 06:56 PM
Oct 2023

based on Cassidy Hutchison's testimony and on the book he wrote.

MissMillie

(39,648 posts)
82. Unindicted co-conspirator # ???? (I forget)
Tue Oct 24, 2023, 09:06 PM
Oct 2023

I want to read the indictment again, and see what they're clearing him of.

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