Poll: Young US voters likelier to blame Israel, tend to trend pro-Hamas

[Mosby]

U.S. voters overwhelmingly view Israel favorably and disapprove of Hamas, according to this month’s Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll, released by Harvard University’s Center for American Political Studies and Harris Insights and Analytics.

When it came to the Jewish state, 25% had very favorable views, 34% had favorable views, 11% had unfavorable views and 9% had very unfavorable views. The difference between overall favorable (59%) and unfavorable (21%) was 38 percentage points.

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More than half (51%) of 18- to 24-year-olds and nearly half (48%) of 25- to 34-year-olds, with 24% overall, said that the Hamas attacks “can be justified by the grievance of Palestinians.” Although voters said overwhelmingly (58% to 42%) that students who blame Israel for the attacks are condoning violence and terrorism, a majority (55%) said law firms should still hire students who supported Hamas.

https://www.jns.org/poll-young-us-voters-likelier-to-blame-israel-tend-to-trend-pro-hamas/

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The TikTok War: Why High School & College Kids Are Getting The Wrong Information about Hamas & Israel (thread)

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[JohnSJ]

1. Anyone who believes "Hamas" was justified is simply anti-Jewish. The charter of Hamas is very clear that

ALL Jews need to be exterminated.

[dembotoz]

7. and nutty yahoo seems to have similar mandate towards palistine

[JohnSJ]

17. This poll wasn't about Netanyahu, but Hamas. I don't support or

agree with Netanyahu, do you support or agree with Hamas?

[inthewind21]

20. The poll

wasn't about Hamas either. Tell me again, how do you feel about mis-information?

[JohnSJ]

22. Really? "According to a Harvard poll, 51% of Americans aged 18-24 believe Hamas was justified."

"Do you think the Hamas killing of 1200 Israeli civilians on Israel can be justified by the grievances of Palestinas or is not justified?"

It sure was about Hamas, or they would not have mentioned Hamas explicitly in the question.

I also find it interesting that the person I directed my response to, refused to answer the question I poised.

[Redleg]

23. I think it is a poorly worded poll question.

That captures some of the concern that the respondents might have for the Palestinian people as a whole. I could be wrong. Was the question a simple agree-disagree or was it on a 5-point Likert scale of strongly disagree to strongly agree?

[JohnSJ]

25. That is a different issue. The fact that the question mentions Hamas by name, and that if

the question specifically asks if Hamas was justified in killing Israeli civilians on Oct 7, there is no nuance or ambiguity about the question.

[Redleg]

29. Perhaps not but it is a poll

and without knowing how it was conducted, I don't assume the results are representative of what young people think or feel about the situation. From a previous post, it looks like the question included the following: "can be justified by the grievance of Palestinians.” Why not just ask, using a 5-point strongly disagree-strongly agree Likert scale, about the attack on Israel by Hamas without including additional language about the grievances of Palestinians? You can have another question that addresses that.

I would like to see some follow-up polling done on this before I'm ready to declare our youth as pro-terror and anti-Jewish.

[JohnSJ]

32. I agree with your assessment.

[leftstreet]

2. Yeah, yeah. Pro-Palestinian means Pro-Hamas

(Not your OP, the article)

This media obsession with equating the two is juvenile and obvious

The hundreds of thousands who took to the streets during the illegal Iraq invasion were actually terrorist supporters.

[inthewind21]

19. Interesting

How the poster as well as the first few responses just glossed right over that. Ironic as hell since THIS very site is the home of the constant screeching about mis-information on the right yet here it is and suddenly perfectly ok!

[David__77]

3. There will be electoral implications.

The old way won’t work.

[LiberalFighter]

4. Why is this? ....

That age group likely get their news from social media?
They don't trust Benjamin Netanyahu?

[dembotoz]

8. do you???? nutty yahoo is as bad as trump

[LiberalFighter]

12. What?

[Omnipresent]

27. +1

[unc70]

15. I'm old but don't trust Netanyahu

I get my information from many sources but don't trust Netanyahu or Likud. My cousins who lived on a kibbutz when young don't trust Netanyahu. I do not know anyone irl who I know trusts Netanyahu.

So tell me, why do you? Why do you think others should?

[MOMFUDSKI]

5. The kids

are OK.

[EllieBC]

6. When you have professors who encourage

hunting down the children of “Zionist journalists” in the US, you can’t act shocked when the kids support Hamas.

[Redleg]

24. Yes, I'm sure that there are hundreds of professors at thousands of universities

who are doing this. No seriously, I can barely get my students to read the assigned reading and then discuss the concepts in class. You think that a few idiot professors have so deeply influenced a large portion of our nation's youth? I don't buy it and it sounds like wingnut talking points about the evil of academia.

[EllieBC]

37. So you didn't know about Jemma Decristo?

Here’s a link: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-10-21/uc-davis-condemns-post-apparently-by-professsor-threatening-zionist-journalists

And here’s a link to her tweets. Btw, she still has a job. I wonder if they’d still keep other domestic terrorists employed or was she just “on the correct side?”

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[Redleg]

48. My point was that this isn't widespread across academia

I will grant that there is a good deal of pro-palenstinian sentiment and some criticisms of the Israeli government but there seems to be much fewer actually siding with Hamas.

[JI7]

47. And these are places like Cornell and Harvard

not some fringe madrassa or liberty u type shit.

[sarisataka]

9. It is sad to see antisemitism growing

Especially among the young. We are failing in teaching the lessons of history.

[ripcord]

13. We have more and more holocaust deniers

I wouldn't be surprised if many of these Hamas supporters fall in that group.

[ismnotwasm]

10. Noticed this on TikTok

Although what I see is less about supporting Hamas and more about supporting the Palestinian people.

Left out of the conversation, usually, are the attacks on Israel, and how bad Hamas really is.

[ForgedCrank]

11. My personal

opinion on the subject is that regardless of how misguided such a position may be, we generally expect this from youth. It is through no fault of their own that they are still developing the capability for rational thought and logic, and generally lack wisdom that can only be acquired through time and experience through living life and observing.
As the old saying goes, "the devil is in the details", and those who don't seek out the details find themselves taking up what I would classify as such misguided positions.

[ripcord]

14. So are you fine when they drift into MAGA country?

I see no reason to excuse these people for their ignorance, and losing or not getting job offers might just teach them to think before they speak, if not

[ForgedCrank]

16. Did you

somehow interpret what I wrote as some sort of promotion for such a thing?
I'm not sure how you managed that conclusion, but whatever.

[leftstreet]

18. I don't think that's what the poster meant

Accepting that young people go through learning and development stages is a far cry from "endorsing" what they're experiencing

[Lunabell]

21. Support Hamas? HELL NO!!

The poor and disenfranchised Palestinian people? Yes. The innocents being killed on both sides is too much. I support peace. ✌️

[JohnSJ]

26. and that is the best response in this thread

[Lunabell]

35. Thank you.

I definitely support anyone who is an innocent (god, how I hate to say this) casualty of a war between powerful rich people who have ZERO concern for their welfare. Only their own agenda and power. Like the christo-fascists who think they're going to bring on armageddon and bring back their messiah by restoring the temple in Jerusalem. They don't give a damn about Jews or Israelis. And they damn sure don't give a damn about Palestinians.

Hamas doesn't care about either side. They don't care that they murdered a bunch of innocents at a music festival. They don't care that Netanyahu ordered the invasion of Gaza and more killing of innocent people. Poor people who have no place to run or hide.

I think they are all evil enough to want this horrible destruction and devastation. Power hungry elitists.

And don't get me started on the rich guys sitting on luxury yachts, smoking cigars and toasting with 100 year old bourbon, to the money they make from supplying the arms.

It makes me sick.

[WhiteTara]

28. I don't think they are so much pro-Hamas as

pro-Palestine. Palestine's citizens are suffering for the sins of others.

[Goddessartist]

38. I completely agree. My grown children are aware

of this conflict, and have been aware of it all of their adult lives, and they vote. Their stepdad is Jewish (their dad died at age 48). I've always been active and informed, so they have been too.

[emulatorloo]

30. I'm not gonna say this poll is "wrong," but I take usually take Mark Penn/Harris Polls w a

grain of salt.

Here’s a link to the Harris wepsite, I plan to dig into it later to look at the details.

[LuvLoogie]

31. I like TikTok. I think it's a good tool.

It's not the algorithm.

TikTok is not ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, or FOX.

The young have just as much ability to weed through the bullshit on TikTok and Twitter as they do in weeding through the bullshit on MSM.

TikTok gives a voice to those shut out of the MSM. People share links and resources, issues, causes, more quickly and more freely than news executives can be bothered to give programming time to -- unless it bleeds.

[Mosby]

33. Tik tok is a Chinese owned company

That is required by law to turn over user data to the Chinese government when asked. All their data right now is on Chinese servers.

[LuvLoogie]

34. Yeah and every MSM station is owned by a right winger. Facebook and twitter, too.

Google has everyone's data, too. So does Apple, so does AT&T. So does Microsoft.

What's that got to do with how the young calls bullshit?

[Mosby]

40. Is there news on tik tok?

How is it a tool exactly? It's a toy app for kids.

[LuvLoogie]

41. You obviously don't use TikTok.

[Mosby]

42. So there is no news

It's filled with a bunch of videos and stupid/dangerous "challenges" like eating nyquil chicken and trying to OD on benadryl.

[LuvLoogie]

43. You obviously don't use TikTok.

[AntivaxHunters]

36. Ya wait until you find out about Facebook lol 🤣

You think TikTok is bad?
What's China doing, studying the way some boomer is breakdancing? 🤣

Meanwhile the MSM in this country is owned by huge corporations that actively lobby against the interests of poor & working class people. Go look up "Net Neutrality" as an example.

[totodeinhere]

39. But there is also this from the article that I think would have been a better headline.

"U.S. voters overwhelmingly view Israel favorably and disapprove of Hamas, according to this month’s Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll."

Overall Israel continues to have wide support.

[ecstatic]

44. So they agree with most Israelis?

Israelis blame gov’t for Hamas massacre, say Netanyahu must resign - poll

An overwhelming majority of 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country's leadership.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-767880

[Mosby]

45. Israelis see the attack as a security failure.

Which it was.

The poll asked if the attack was justified because of Palestinian grievances. Not sure how anyone can think that killing innocent men, women, children and companion animals can be justified for any reason.

[JI7]

46. This is stupid. It's like claiming people that blame lack of gun control

for shootings blame just that and not the shooter.

Israel blames the government for breakdown for security failures. It doesn't mean they don't blame those that actually carried out the attacks.

[gulliver]

49. TikTok needs to be banned

There's been a lot of talk of that to date. It's time.