Are the people in Lewiston still locked down?

[Marthe48]

If if goes on much longer, people are going to start running out of fresh food. I doubt the delivery services are operating. Are USPS mail carriers working? If they don't know where the killer is, no one is really safe.

I saw stories about the victims, but not any updates on locating the killer.

[niyad]

1. I just checked. Lockdown still in place. press conference

shortly.

[Marthe48]

3. Thank you

I hope the search is over soon.

[niyad]

10. ???

[drray23]

2. yes. at the press briefing they confirmed its still the case.nt.

[Irish_Dem]

4. The shooter either is very lucky or made good escape plans.

[brooklynite]

5. Or is dead.

Thermal imaging doesn't work with corpses.

[Attilatheblond]

14. Or in the woods of Canada?

Pretty dense forests in Maine from what my husband said. Visability 20 feet max, 50 if you're lucky.

[brooklynite]

16. Canada is a long way from Lewiston. No reports of a stolen car.

[Attilatheblond]

21. Distance is a relative thing

Easterners seem to be often intimidated by 50 or even two hundred miles. Those of us out west laugh. If they guy is/was a survivalist, he might have supplies stashed to get him far, maybe even a car.

[JenniferJuniper]

6. Apparently a survivalist,

and Maine is mostly forest.

[Irish_Dem]

9. If he is actively psychotic with hallucinations, he may make some mistakes.

[Marthe48]

11. If he made escape plans

then how mentally disturbed is he? If he knew he was going to do something he'd be arrested for. If he understood there would be consequences like jail.

[Irish_Dem]

13. About one in five of all serial killers were psychotic at the time of their crimes.

So they could plan ahead and elude the police.

A person can be psychotic but legally sane.
Knows right from wrong. And understands the nature of his act.
A person can be very seriously disturbed but not meet the definition of legal insanity.

Here in the Lewiston case, we have a paranoid schizophrenic, with active auditory
hallucinations, perhaps command hallucinations telling him to kill people.
Triggered by a rejection from his girlfriend. So he's very angry and wants revenge.
With extensive military and weapon training.

This is a very dangerous guy. I am sure the FBI has discussed this with LE.

Obviously very seriously disturbed but able to plan the mass shooting and able
to make an adequate escape plan. In large part this is probably a function of his
previous status as highly trained military personnel.

So you can see that even in his disturbance he is able to access that training in his history.
So even in his acute psychotic state he is able to fall back on his over learned behavior.

Of course we don't really know until the psychologists go in and interview him, talk to him and
find out exactly what his mental status is.

That is if he emerges alive. He is quite dangerous and law enforcement needs to be very careful.

Frankly I don't know if he will to be taken alive. If he is taken alive he's very very lucky.

We have a psychotic perpetrator, who probably does not want to be taken alive.
And we have swat teams who understand the shooter is quite dangerous and they don't
want to get killed so their adrenaline is flowing. So you can see how this might end.

[Marthe48]

19. Thank you for the measured response

I saw it as a sane person realizing what they are doing is insane and stopped before they acted. Or plotted their actions from conception to escape. It is hard to imagine logic and insanity in the same mind.

[Irish_Dem]

22. Yes it is complicated.

Insanity is a legal term not a clinical one. Clinicians use a different criteria than the law does.
So when you're doing these kind of evaluations you have to meet legal criteria not clinical ones.

That said even from a clinical perspective it is really interesting how someone so acutely psychotic can actively plan a very successful crime spree and elude law-enforcement.

You can see Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, who for decades sent bombs through the US mail to kill people. The FBI had a very difficult time catching him. He was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic but was able to stymie the FBI.

When I was in graduate school working on my PhD, one of my fellow students was somewhat obsessed with serial killers. They were his research interest and he had interviewed or written to every living serial killer at the time. So in every class he would relate everything to his serial killers. So I learned a lot about the psychopathology of typical serial criminals. It is fascinating. I also like reading stories about the FBI and how they catch serial killers using psychology profiles.

[Kaleva]

15. Jeffery Dalhmer was pretty careful

And was able to commit his crimes over the course of several years

[Irish_Dem]

23. Yes another very interesting case of someone psychotic able to plan crimes and eluding LE.

Dahmer was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder (BPD),
schizotypal personality disorder (StPD), and a psychotic disorder,
but he was found to be legally sane at his trial.

So he knew right from wrong. And understood the consequences of his actions.
Even though he was quite psychotic and acutely disturbed.

[tenderfoot]

18. I think he offed himself

eom

[Irish_Dem]

25. Yes this is quite possible. Or he may want the police to kill him.

Or he thinks he's smarter than everyone else and wants to play cat and mouse with the police.

[GuppyGal]

7. Why be on lockdown? Shouldn't everybody be out and about with their guns? Why so afraid when everybody

up there is armed and loves their guns?

[peacefreak2.0]

12. Wow! That's a broad brush you're painting

Maine with. Truth is we are reeling from the shock and pain of what happened. It may be entertaining to you, but it is my reality at the moment.
Yes, there are gun humpers, but there are many of us who support strong measures.

[GuppyGal]

20. Obviously....I was trying to make a point !!! Please stop with it may be entertaining to you nonsense.

Thanks

[peacefreak2.0]

30. Easy for you

when you’re on the outside looking in.

[GuppyGal]

34. I live in NYC and have my whole life so you don't know what you are talking about. I'm done.

[Scrivener7]

32. And obviously a person close to the situation found your joke difficult to stomach.

Perhaps it would be kinder not to characterize their pain as "nonsense."

[GuppyGal]

33. Read Carefully! Nowhere did I say I was making a 'JOKE' I said I was making a POINT

which flew right over your head.

[Scrivener7]

36. You didn't have to SAY you made a joke. You made a joke in post #7 about the situation. And no, nothing went over my

head. It really wasn't that deep.

And again, it would be kinder not to call someone else's difficulties "nonsense."

When you do that we all just want to cry a Box of Rain.

[GuppyGal]

37. OMG that wasn't a joke it's called sarcasm. The nonsense is the BS that I and they said this to other posters as

well saying we're 'entertained' by the situation. I've explained and wasted my time enough with this NONSENSE ...it won't happen again.

[Scrivener7]

38. Once again, that poster is clearly someone who is being closely affected by the shootings.

Your responses are insensitive.

[peacefreak2.0]

39. Thank you for your kindness.

Things like this can be personal. My friend’s husband is a Lewiston cop. My son in law works at the hospital.

[Scrivener7]

40. When it affects your home town and your circle, it is VERY personal.

Your sense of safety and home is forever changed.

I am truly sorry for what you are going through.

[Wingus Dingus]

17. Kind of silly to have the whole city on lockdown--frightened people

should be able to stay home if they want to, and maybe keep the schools closed today, but people have to live. It's like he's taking them all hostage now indefinitely. And he probably shot himself anyway, most of them do. Or he's going to hide in the woods until he gives up and shoots himself, or gets weak from exposure.

[Irish_Dem]

26. The Boston police department did the same thing after the marathon bombers hit the city.

I know people in Boston and they were quite willing to hunker down when it was obviously
quite dangerous to venture outside the house.

[Marthe48]

24. I saw a headline that the law is dragging the river

Nearer to Lisbon, Me. Also scanning with sonar. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/maine-manhunt-lewiston-mass-shooter-extends-another-night-2023-10-27/

[Irish_Dem]

27. If his boat is missing then this is a good option to pursue.

[getagrip_already]

28. Hunting season is about to open....

It will be interesting to see what they do about that.

[Marthe48]

29. Maybe this will be over by then

n/t

[getagrip_already]

31. It opens 10/28... tomorrow

They better decide fast.

[peacefreak2.0]

35. They have.

The shelter in place order has be rescinded except for Lewiston, Lisbon, Bowdoin and Monmouth.