Anyone remember a mass shooter who wasn't dead or captured pretty quickly?

[Shrek]

I can't recall any manhunts this lengthy or intense.

The Tsarnaev brothers come to mind but those were bombings and not shootings.

[hlthe2b]

1. Eric Rudolph (bomber, not shooter) the only one that immediately comes to mind.

[Ocelot II]

2. Eric Rudolph. He was a bomber, not a shooter, but it took 5 years to catch him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Rudolph

[tblue37]

4. He had help from sympathetic right wingers.

[Ocelot II]

8. True. The Maine guy seems to be on his own, as far as anybody knows.

Rudolph was a for-real domestic terrorist but so far Card doesn't seem to have an ideological agenda like Rudolph did.

[inthewind21]

12. How do you know

what his agenda was since he's not been found?

[Ocelot II]

15. I don't. What I said is that so far he is *not known* to have an agenda

or that the shooting spree was ideologically motivated. Based on a few social media posts he seems to have been a right-wing gun nut, but so far nobody has found a manifesto or some other evidence that he was acting for political or ideological reasons, or even that he had specific targets for any particular reason. Eric Rudolph was known to have been an anti-abortion extremist, and Christopher Dorner was on a revenge rampage. We won't know for sure what motivated Card until he's caught. If he ends up dead we may never know.

[brooklynite]

19. The linkage to the shooting locations appears to be places he took his (now ex-) girlfriend.

[Ocelot II]

24. He might have a personal motive, but so far

there doesn't seem to be evidence of a political or ideological one.

[stopdiggin]

17. there has been a good bit of information

on this guy. Family ties, social presence, work and relationship history, health problems (and reported deterioration). The fact that he was familiar to both businesses targeted.

Let's not be disingenuous and pretend like we don't have a single thing to go on here. Chances are pretty good ...

[FarPoint]

3. Not mass shooter

This one kicks up to the new standard for mass murderers

[AntivaxHunters]

5. Christopher Dorner

Christopher Jordan Dorner (June 4, 1979 – February 12, 2013) was a former officer of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) who, beginning on February 3, 2013, committed a series of revenge killings against the LAPD in Orange County, Los Angeles County, Riverside County and San Bernardino County in the U.S. state of California.The victims were law enforcement officers and the daughter of a retired police captain. Dorner killed four people and wounded three others. On February 12, Dorner was fatally shot during a standoff with the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department after a shootout in the San Bernardino Mountains.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_and_manhunt]

[Kaleva]

6. I think very few plan an exit strategy..

that doesn't involve killing themselves or getting themselves killed by police.

He could have planned this out for months and had some well stocked hideaway, that nobody else knew about, in preparation .

Or he could have already offed himself and his body hasn't been found yet.

There have been cases where I live where people have wandered off into the woods, either on foot or snowmobile, and their remains weren't found for months or they have never been found.

[NowISeetheLight]

10. My Thought

That's my thought. He staggered off into the wilderness and killed himself. Some hunter will find a skeleton in a couple years or something.

[Kaleva]

14. I wouldn't be surprised if that turns out to be the case

[Srkdqltr]

20. If he is as troubled as they say, that would be my thought.

[Shrek]

29. I wonder if maybe he escaped by water

Apparently his vehicle was found by a river. Maybe he had a boat stashed and is miles away by now.

[Warpy]

30. I think you're right, which is why they get grabbed quickly

or shoot themselves dead when the cops close in. Or just drive for a few minutes and then shoot themselves when they realize that mass slaughter didn't make them feel any better. Suicide or suicide by cop are the main exits and they're not planned.

The few captured alive are generally the ones with severe psych problems and who don't have ordered thought processes.

If this asshole is still alive, he's up a logging road, his car hidden by brush, living in a lean to, and will most likely be caught when he breaks into houses and pilfers food.

[doubleplusgood]

7. Christopher Dorner

This former LAPD officer went on a series of revenge shootings on Feb 3, 2015. He killed 4 and wounded 3. He died in a shootout 9 days later on Feb 12.

[Emile]

9. With all the guns in Maine, you would think they

would have him by now.

[Ocelot II]

16. Maine is mostly forests. If he knows his way around the woods

he could hide out for a long time (if he doesn't freeze to death).

[Attilatheblond]

18. Have heard that, in Maine, one can usually not see more than 20-30 feet in the woods

So many trees I was advised not to go there due to claustrophobia.

[Ocelot II]

52. If you've ever been in any northern forest you'd see how dense they can be.

Even after the leaves are down, the understory can be thick and pretty hard to get through.

[thenelm1]

55. This. Absolutely this.

I live about 30-40 miles from where this shooting happened. Maine is almost 90% forested. And Lewiston/Bowdoin is quite a way inland from the coast. If one has the requisite survival skills, it's not that hard to disappear into the vast wooded areas and be undetected if that is what one is trying to do. Even in the vicinity of Maine's second largest city, Lewiston, and its sister city Auburn, which together have a combined population of around 65K (a couple of relatively large towns in much of the country). Bowdoin has just over 3k people and is about 10-12 miles east of Lewiston. Take look at a map. The towns/villages surrounding Lewiston are sparse. The Androscoggin River runs through Lewiston/Auburn and merges with the Kennebec River just north of Brunswick in Merrymeeting bay, maybe 30-35 miles away. Again, if you refer to a map, there is literally next to nothing in between but a couple of small towns and few roads. Other than within a 20–25-mile radius around Portland, where the majority of the state's population lives, this is Maine. Pretty big, heavily wooded and sparsely populated.

[eShirl]

27. Because guns are good at locating things?

[Emile]

28. According to gun humpers if everyone had a gun

no one would get shot.

[Marcus IM]

11. One of the murderers who killed an OB/GYN Dr.

Dr provided abortions.

Can't remember his name. I remember that he was being sheltered by RWingnut sympathizers for a long time.

Jeffries?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. James Kopp, but as far as we know, he killed only Dr. Barnett Slepian.

[wnylib]

37. James Kopp murdered Dr. Slepian im 1998.

Kopp fled to France, was extradited and convicted of murder in NY and also in federal court. Life without parole sentence.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_Slepian#

[stopdiggin]

21. unless police have an actual trail/track

to put hounds on ... Maine is full of miles and miles of woods, water and deep forest. Getting completely off the radar (and then perhaps dead? - either deliberate or by misadventure) - is not really as the great feat, or hard to imagine, as many would suppose.

[MyNameIsJonas]

22. Not necessarily a mass-shooter but the DC Sniper.

[madinmaryland]

23. They killed at least ten people over a few months. The whole are was freaked

Out.

[MyNameIsJonas]

25. I think 17 total.

[madinmaryland]

38. It could have been. It's been nearly 20 years because it was before I moved to Maryland.

It was really freaky for people in the dc area. The guy was a sniper shooting out of the trunk of a car.

[claudette]

26. Wasn't there

a female shooter at a mall? I'll try to research it - can't remember her name.

[PCIntern]

41. Sylvia Segrist

In PA. I remember it well

[claudette]

42. Yes

That’s right. I was wrong though. She was disarmed at the time by a shopper at the mall.

[maxsolomon]

31. He's probably dead.

My theory: His car was found at a marina where he keeps a boat. He got in his boat, when out to sea, and shot himself in the head.

[LiberalArkie]

32. I wonder if some of these cats are on something like Ambien for sleep? Some of those on it reported

getting out of bed and cleaning the house, driving to a 7-11 while asleep and then going back to bed and not remembering any of it..


For the shrinks.... I wonder if a violent gun toter who dreams of shooting up people could act out his dream and wakeup from the dream in the act and kill himself at the realization of what he had done.

[pinkstarburst]

33. Most shootings happen in more urban settings

Maine is very rural and densely forested. It would be very easy, if he initially got away and had managed to stash food and supplies in some sort of survivalist bunker, for him to hide out on some wooded property of some summer vacationer who only comes to Maine once or twice a year.

[2naSalit]

35. He may well have...

A hidey hole somewhere, his family was pretty land rich when I lived in that area. My parents rented a house from the family, it was way out in the sticks and they owned a whole bunch of it. Wooded areas on that property, if still rural, would be a large tract to scour.

I suspect he has a safe place somewhere and will be hiding for a while.

[Iggo]

34. They don't usually have an escape plan. This guy might have.

[kskiska]

36. Not a shooter, but a bomber - The "Mad Bomber" in NYC in the 1950s

George Metesky. He planted 33 bombs. It took 16 years to catch him. Not tried: declared legally insane and incompetent to stand trial.

[madinmaryland]

39. I wonder if that is where the Unabomber got his idea from.

[ProfessorGAC]

46. I'm Thinking, No

Matesky was motivated by a personal grudge & a desire for revenge, mostly directed at one company.
Kaczynsky believed he was doing preemptive strokes against technology itself. More a Luddite revolutionary.
Both crazy, dangerous, &, unfortunately, focused on their respective goals.

[ProfessorGAC]

47. Did He Kill Anybody?

My recollection is that the steepest charge was attempted murder
BTW: 22 of his planted devices actually went off. I think they found and defused all but 2 of the remainder.

[kskiska]

56. No, but 15 injuries.

[ProfessorGAC]

58. That's What I Thought

Not that he didn't try.

[Catherine Vincent]

40. I think he's dead somewhere and they just can't find him

[TheProle]

43. All the time

Look across the top. If there are zeroes for 'suspects killed', 'suspects injured', 'suspects arrested', you have one.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

[babylonsister]

44. Lengthy? It's been two whole days? nt

[Xoan]

45. How big a mass?

[H2O Man]

50. If one goes

by the FBI's definition, it is when 4 or more people are killed. however, the U.S. statute (the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012) defines a “mass killing” as “3 or more killings in a single incident.”

[LetMyPeopleVote]

48. Only if the shooter is white

[TheProle]

49. Hardly

7 mass shooters this week have so far evaded capture.

Look across the top. If there are zeroes for 'suspects killed', 'suspects injured', 'suspects arrested', you have one on the loose.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

[H2O Man]

51. There are two types

of individuals that commit mass murder in this context: those who want to die -- by self-inflicted or police bullets -- and a minority that plan to escape. The psychological profiles have some overlap, but a number of significant differences.

[sadasfyed]

54. yeah

the shooter who shot from his car trunk. Was caught in DC

[dclarston13]

57. It took a while to find the Idaho guy.

I don't mention their names but the animal who killed those college kids in Moscow Idaho evaded capture for sometime.