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[SickOfTheOnePct]

1. Seriously? N/t

[elleng]

4. DITTO!

[Ocelot II]

2. What's the point of this post?

[elleng]

5. TROUBLE!

[AntiFascist]

15. Biden's popularity sinks to 39%...

[SCantiGOP]

35. What does it tell you

That your OP had been up for 45 minutes and doesn’t have a single Rec?
Maybe this is seen as divisive?

[AntiFascist]

36. Honestly, that was the intention and to maybe get Biden to do something more as leader of the Western world n/t

[Ocelot II]

42. I'm sure your post on DU will "get Biden to do something more

as leader of the Western world." What "something more" do you think that should be? Visiting two active war zones wasn't enough? Actively engaging with the government of Israel while in that active war zone, and meeting with Zelenskyy and NATO to be sure Ukraine continues to get US support weren't enough? Being the first present ever to join striking union workers on a picket line wasn't enough? FFS, what the hell else do you want him to do?

[AntiFascist]

44. This new war in the Middle East will possibly be diverting resources that could otherwise be utilized in Ukraine....

blowing up the war into a wider conflict may be the intent of the right-wing leadership of Israel, which Biden's "friend" seems to be enabling. Supporting union workers is great, but what good is it going to be if the economy dives due to this war getting much worse?

[Ocelot II]

49. I'm sure Biden's decades of experience in foreign policy and his relationships

with foreign leaders pale before the expertise of posters on internet message boards.

Sorry, but I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing.

[AntiFascist]

52. I have no doubt you are correct...

but I would point out that Biden's approval is taking a hit as is Israel's, and politics is ultimately based on popularity.

[Ocelot II]

57. So you want him to do something *popular* regardless of whether

it's sensible or useful? Lots of very bad things have been popular with a lot of people.

[AntiFascist]

69. I'm only worried about the future results of this war...

and how the public will respond to the results we are seeing. "Sensible" is not how I would characterize it.

[mahina]

60. Oh brother.

[womanofthehills]

50. Maybe most of us can't come up with a solution

But Trump & Biden neck & neck for months and the war dividing the Democratic Party - not good. Trump will be worse & very vengeful if he wins.

[emmaverybo]

64. Trump says he will institute a "Muslim ban."

Although I do not agree with unconditional support for Israel 's actions in Gaza, think about the repercussions if, on the heels of 10/7 terrorist attack, America had qualified its "standing with Israel." Biden did urge restraint from the git go, to the consternation of many. He has continued to prod Israel, to call for and arrange humanitarian support, Yes, I wish Biden and the last three oresidents had denounced, repudiated, sanctioned Netanyahou.

[womanofthehills]

48. Unfortunately, Gallop has it even lower 37%

It’s the young. Dems under 40 yrs old - only 20% support the war in the Middle East. I think we have a catch 22. What’s the solution?


“Early this year, Gallup found that for the first time in the U.S., Democrats’ sympathies for the Palestinians outpaced those for the Israelis. Although the survey is not designed to allow for statistically reliable estimates for any subset of the three-week polling period, the daily results strongly suggest that Democrats’ approval of Biden fell sharply in the aftermath of the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas and Biden’s promise of full support for Israel on the same day. Biden’s current 75% approval rating among Democrats is well below the 86% average from his own party throughout his presidency.“ https://news.gallup.com/poll/513305/democrats-ratings-biden-slip-overall-approval.aspx

[Cha]

68. Like I said.. My Money is on Pres Biden.. I Don't Care

How Many Polls you post.

[4lbs]

75. Reagan's popularity sunk to 35% in 1983.

He also faced questions about being "too old" and some in his own party wanted another candidate, didn't want him to run again.

Anyone want to guess what happened the next year, in the 1984 election?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_Ronald_Reagan_administration

....
until the United States experienced a recession and high unemployment in 1982.[2] According to a Gallup poll, his lowest rating was 35% in early 1983.

Biden isn't dealing with a recession (even though people have bleating it for about a year), but rather inflation.

Biden doesn't have to deal with high unemployment either.


Biden vs. TFG, which is looking ever more likely, round II, in 2024, will hopefully result the same way, for us.

[LenaBaby61]

70. This 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[elleng]

3. SERIOUSLY???

[womanofthehills]

51. Seriously- we have problems!

Democrats are divided about this war and it’s being reflected in polls.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

54. Changing candidates

Won’t solve that problem. VP Harris is apparently on the same page as President Biden as it relates to the war.

And choosing someone else, someone who is anti-Israel won’t heal the divisions and will most likely be less popular with independents and non-crazy Republicans the general election .

[elleng]

58. Likely EVERYONE/party is divided about this war.

I can imagine NO benefit to TRYING to select a candidate different from the incumbent.

[Cha]

65. Yesh Serious as SHIT.. My Money is On Pres Biden and not

some GD CRACKPOT like RFK Jr.

Most of us know how Divided we are.

[WA-03 Democrat]

6. No

GO JOE GO!

[MiniMe]

7. I hate to tell you this, but....

not only is she black, but she is a black woman. She would have no chance at all. The only chance she would have is because she would be running against tRump.

[AntiFascist]

13. I used to feel the same way about Obama, at least about being black, until the Iowa Primary, then changed my mind...

and threw my full support behind him.

[3Hotdogs]

37. The difference is, there are no warm, fuzzy feelings about her. Just before coming on the national stage,

she was known in California for difficulties working with her staff. This is the case today.

Then she comes to the '20 presidential debate and proceeds to sand bag Biden: "I was that little girl."

[JustAnotherGen]

22. We are the base

Never say never. If the far left is okay with Muslim Americans threatening revolt -

They have to accept black women revolting.

I think she's re-learning how to shove people out of her way. That's a good thing.

[LauraInLA]

34. From your lips to God's ears. ;) EOM

[LauraInLA]

29. So what will happen if...

Harris becomes President sometime in 2025-2028 upon the death of President Biden? If she runs as the incumbent, does that increase her chances?

[MiniMe]

76. Depends on her record as President.

I still think that having a black man as President is what got us tRump. That really upset a lot of people. I myself thought that Obama was a great President. I think there was more that he wanted to do, but he didn't want to come off as an angry black man. But I think that Biden is sharp as can be.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. I'm beginning to wonder about a lot of posters..

[PSPS]

9. Yeah, it's not as easy to tell as it used to be.

[AntiFascist]

17. My problem is with Netanyahu, not with Jews in general, if that's what you are implying n/t

[Hope22]

59. Who was talking about you?n/t

[womanofthehills]

61. Everyone is not going to have your view

It’s not black & white!

[Cha]

71. And, Everyone is NOT going to have your View.

[womanofthehills]

67. You have no idea why someone might be absent

They could have been sick, very busy trying to make a living, have a sick child or just need a break from politics. What a weird statement to make.

[JohnSJ]

73. This is starting to remind me of the same garbage that was done to Hillary in 2016.

[brooklynite]

10. Harris would be far worse...

She was a lousy Presidential candidate in 2020 (her campaign folded before voting started), she hasn't built up more support in her term as VP, and reframing our foreign policy to be more pro-Palestine is a guaranteed way of losing the Independent voters and non-Trump Republicans we need along with the Democratic base.

[LauraInLA]

28. This actually brings up another scenario....

President Biden wins a second term in 2024 but passes away in office (after the inauguration). Harris becomes President (and I think she’d do a good job). But then 2028 arrives. If Harris runs for a second (first?) term, can she win?

[calguy]

11. I fully support the Biden/Harris ticket for 2024

As far as Harris herself? I'm a fan of hers, but she'll never be the nominee for president. That was pretty much sealed when she couldn't garner enough support in 2016 to even make it to the first primary.

I think Gavin Newsome and Michigan Gov Whitmer are my early favorites to compete in 2020. Harris would be wise to run for California governor, in my opinion.

[JustAnotherGen]

21. 2020 - she ran

And I'm for a Harris Buttigieg ticket in 2024.

She's getting Global experience - and Pete would be an amazing VP.

I'd pick them over Newsom / Whitmer. Neither has foreign/International experience.

[4lbs]

12. I once threw spaghetti at a wall to try to get something to stick.

I just wound up with a stained wall and a bunch of no-longer-useful spaghetti.

[msongs]

16. yes but did any of it stick? hmmm nt

[unweird]

32. The trick

Is throw pasta BEFORE saucing, not after.

Another trick is not wallpapering the kitchen. Sanitary tile is a better wall covering in the kitchen. Especially when forgetting to sauce the noodle after the doneness against the wall testing.

[GP6971]

14. Really? n/t

[SCantiGOP]

39. Worse than that

He said he would ban people who didn’t “like our religion.”
I had thought the Founding Fathers were pretty explicit that this country didn’t have a religion, as far as the government and its leaders were concerned.

[MyNameIsJonas]

19. Biden will be the nominee in 2024.

[JohnSJ]

74. damn right, and he will get my vote without hesitation.

[JustAnotherGen]

20. Is this

A serious question?

[AntiFascist]

24. Maybe, maybe not? n/t

[herding cats]

23. Umm.

You do know she's also behind Israel, right? Or, do you not keep up with her actual, trips, speeches and stances?

She's a busy woman out there saying things too many people seem to not be hearing.

Until my death her actions and words being ignored will be in the forefront of my mind. Even after we pass this stigma, eventually. This shouldn't be a normal thing.

[AntiFascist]

31. I'm not suggesting that she not be behind Israel!! I'm not one of those who support Hamas...

My concern is for the future of Israel. I had high hopes that Biden could have some influence with Netanyahu, in helping to rein in the collective rage, and work toward a more intelligent and surgical way of removing Hamas, without harming Israel's global reputation.

[herding cats]

45. Ultimately, that's on Netanyahu and the Israelis who let him come to power again.

It's not Biden, nor Americas fault. Netanyahu exists on borrowed time in Israel now. He believed he was the end power and Hamas was a tool to keep people afraid to his ultimate end, and quash a two state solution. He miscalculated in a way where both Israeli innocents and Palestinians innocents will suffer. Deeply and painfully.

History is not going to be his friend, but he is not Israel any more than Trump is the USA. We as a nation still relied on our alliances even when Trump was defunding the defense of Ukraine and selling us out to Putin, for example.

It's all extremely complicated.

[AntiFascist]

47. Best counter I've seen so far, thank you! n/t

[J_William_Ryan]

25. This is what Republicans want.

Dissent among Democrats.

We stand with President Biden.

[herding cats]

27. Harris is 100% behind President Biden.

Don't buy into this BS. It's not real.

[womanofthehills]

56. A Republican friend told me - same thing is happening with Republicans

He said everyone is divided over the war on Republican sites too

[Polybius]

26. Hell no

Not even if he dropped out of the race.

[Fichefinder]

30. An integrated society without the need for American involvement..

...would be my first choice. A perpetual state of conflict is unsustainable. Esp as climate change may make the region uninhabitable in your lifetimes.

[SCantiGOP]

33. I guess this OP was alerted several times

It obviously passed, but it does seem at least counter-productive to be in a forum based on supporting and promoting Democrats.

[AntiFascist]

41. As an "Underground" forum I find it sometimes necessary to bring up questions...

I've already stated that I support Biden and his support of Israel, but I am disappointed with his influence over his friend Bibi.

[betsuni]

43. Yes.

[stopdiggin]

46. at the very least

clearly critical of Biden (as per poster's own description). As for intent? It looks like thread bearing out that posters are quickly forming suspicions.

[womanofthehills]

62. Having a love fest but ignoring the division

Is putting reality on a back burner. I just wish Biden would put more restraints on Netanyahu and tell the American people he is doing it.

[Mossfern]

38. I feel like I've

gone down a rabbit hole.

[GuppyGal]

40. If she was so suitable she would of won the Democratic Primary.

[CentralMass]

53. No.

[Fiendish Thingy]

55. You canceled your Saturday night plans for this?

[Permanut]

66. I rec'd this based on good points and arguments raised in the replies.

[Raine]

72. Absolutely NO. nt

[usonian]

77. Bidenomics is a tectonic change to the broken economic system that has benefitted the top 1 percent.

It won't be apparent immediately to most, though it is here.
Stick with it.
Joe Biden is gaining ground on FDR in terms of positive impact.

I'll go to Oakland and secretly rename The Potomac to the Bidenomic.

Don't tell the docents, please.

[betsuni]

78. And FDR had Democratic majorities in Congress, wasn't it 80% at its peak? Why do people forget this?

Or ignore it. Or think it doesn't make a difference. And the Republican Party wasn't 100% obstructionist extremist nuts, the people demanded the government do something and they'd be voted out if they didn't. Amazing what Biden got done.

[akbacchus_BC]

79. Something must be wrong with you if you are wondering about the VP of the USA.

[dchill]

80. Well, don't.