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TheProle

(3,863 posts)
Sun Oct 29, 2023, 02:40 PM Oct 2023

For reference: The UN definition of genocide.

Definition

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

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For reference: The UN definition of genocide. (Original Post) TheProle Oct 2023 OP
Sounds like what Hamas was mzmolly Oct 2023 #1
Yes... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #2
That is so broad as to be almost nonsensical dumbcat Oct 2023 #3
Case in point, our past efforts against the Taliban and ISIS could be a genocide under that definition. Lancero Oct 2023 #5
I think the key may be the part about intent. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #4

dumbcat

(2,156 posts)
3. That is so broad as to be almost nonsensical
Sun Oct 29, 2023, 04:28 PM
Oct 2023

By that definition pretty much ANY act of war is genocide. Killing any members of a National Group is genocide?

Another term made meaningless.

Lancero

(3,257 posts)
5. Case in point, our past efforts against the Taliban and ISIS could be a genocide under that definition.
Sun Oct 29, 2023, 04:44 PM
Oct 2023

Hell, as broad of a definition this is their could even be a argument made that our sanctions against Russia are genocidal. Ruin their economy, make the people rise up, have them overthrow their government... Death of the Russian national identity, even if only because the people decide to rename their country.

And lets not forget that these broad sanctions are also a form of collective punishment against all Russians.

ShazzieB

(22,101 posts)
4. I think the key may be the part about intent.
Sun Oct 29, 2023, 04:41 PM
Oct 2023
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group...

Note the portion I underlined. Of course, that raises the question if how to judge whether an act has been "committed with intent to destroy," etc.

So yeah, this statement could definitely use some strengthening, greater clarity, etc.!
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