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[RockRaven]

1. Get ready for a lot of conflations and mixing up of categories in the replies...

[malaise]

4. Yah think.

[Cha]

14. Get Ready for those who Disagree with the OP.

[SoFlaBro]

2. There is no other fucking friendly Democracy in the ENTIRE Middle East.

[Duppers]

11. Turkey?

If not, briefly enlighten me. Thanks.

[Happy Hoosier]

15. I'm not sure I'd call Turkey...

a middle-eastern country.

[radicalleft]

23. I was stationed at Incirlik AB

I can assure you they are a Muslim country that borders Syria

[sarisataka]

3. Would an ultraconservative

Islamic theocracy be an improvement?

[TreasonousBastard]

13. No, but a more liberal democracy might be.

[Elessar Zappa]

5. They're the only democracy in the Middle Esst

and they’re an important ally. And most of all, it’s a place that the Jewish people can call home. And yes, they’re current government sucks.

[no_hypocrisy]

7. A democracy without a Constitution and a Judiciary about to be owned

by religious fundamentalists. Prime Minister controlled by same demographic.

Sounds more like a democracy-in-name-only.

[Demovictory9]

8. The people of Israel fought like heck against the prime minister actions

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

6. For a few reasons

They are the only westernized, mostly secular democracy in the area. Their gov is the least corrupt in the area. They are in a strategic location. And they are a nuclear power.

[SoFlaBro]

9. gets it 100%

[JI7]

10. We can say the same about the US based on those standards

But it's another case of Israel isn't perfect means it's same as places that lack total freedom and run by terrorists

[edhopper]

12. Their leader

Is a right wing autocrat. But their elections are every bit as democratic as ours.

I don't understand those who want us to abandon the only real ally we have in the region?

[mcar]

16. I see much more fetishization of Hamas

than Israel. See all the protests calling for Jewish genocide and cheering on Hamas. How is that not fetishization, to say the least?

[LymphocyteLover]

17. Not sure what you mean by fetishization and who you are referring to. Their history for the Jewish people

is important.

Rightwingers fetishize them over stupid end-times crap and the Bible.

Democrats might "fetishize" them over Jewish people being an important constituency.

[DZC]

18. Israel Don't Understand,

I just do not understand why so much of the world hate the Jews.

Why?

[WarGamer]

21. You'd have to study 3000 years of history to get a grip on it...

[Srkdqltr]

19. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Absolutely no winners here.

The ones trying to break it up usually get the worst of it.

[dsc]

20. Israel is the only country in the middle east

where LGBT people aren't at risk for jail or worse. It is also one of the few where women have close to equal rights. It is also the only democracy.

[Cha]

22. Mahalo, dsc.. that seems to be Conveniently

forgotten by those Bashing Israel.

TY for the Reminder. :

[Mosby]

24. The anti-Israel folks are obsessed

And are the ones who fetishize Israel. There are conflicts all around the world that no one pays attention to including the UN.

Israel has had a robust democracy since it's inception, and yet you compare them with dictatorships like Russia. Why do you do that? Are you willing to admit your wrong? If not, why?

Israel had the 27th highest GDP and yet you claim that the US "props" them up. How do they do that? Can you be specific? And why does that matter to you?

[PCIntern]

25. Yeah...

So the Israelis are just going to roll over and cede their land and homes to whoever the UN decides to put in their place?

Yup…that’s how it works…in a FAIRY TALE.