Kamala Harris - 2028.

[OAITW r.2.0]

I want an intelligent person with 8 years of a serious WH internship to lead our Country in 2028.

[LymphocyteLover]

1. I would be THRILLED if she was POTUS for 8 years.

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I still don't understand the endless criticism of her unless it is outright racism, which infuriates me.

[dchill]

3. Racism, sure, but never underestimate...

... misogyny. It has a huge following, too.

[LymphocyteLover]

46. Yes, I believe the term is "misogynoir"

[Bettie]

4. It's misogyny too

the two combined are a toxic stew.

I don't believe we'll ever have a woman as president...at least in my lifetime and I'm only in my 50's.

[LymphocyteLover]

44. A depressing thought. I still have hope!

[Polybius]

50. In my case it isn't, nor is it because she's a woman

I loved Obama, and loved Hillary even more. I prefer Newsom in 2028.

[brooklynite]

2. I'm not defaulting to Kamala Harris. She'll have to prove her ability to win like everyone else.

[OAITW r.2.0]

7. Doesn't surprise me. You may be a Democrat, but every election is a transactional financial

opportunity to back a newly marketed "winner". Your job, as you have told us, is bundling money for Democratic candidates. 2028 is probably the big payoff year for you. That's the way I read you.....but I bet you have a lot of fellow Democrats that would shred my opinion, Oh well, I'll soldier on, supporting the only sane Party that is viable.

[brooklynite]

25. Absolutely wrong.

Bearing in mind that, for President I have to make a personal choice that I'll actually be voting for, my "transactional" model throws out safe "winners" as quickly as it throws out hopeless "losers". I'm looking for the most competitive candidates, to maximize the number of Democrats who'll get elected. However, there's a baseline threshold of political competence. As I said, Harris didn't do particulate well in 2020, and we'll have a number of new candidates in 2028 who've shown an ability to compete in battleground States.

[brooklynite]

26. Are you suggesting that some of us "fellow Democrats" wouldn't support the Democratic Party under other circumstances?

[Think. Again.]

27. Yes...

....just like how we waited for Biden to prove his ability as the Vice President to an extremely successful President for 2 terms.

So, that means Harris is well on her way!

[LymphocyteLover]

45. what does that mean?

[brooklynite]

53. I need to know that the candidate I pick has bother the competence to govern and the political skills to win.

[LymphocyteLover]

61. I assume you mean "both" (not bother)

I mean Kamala Harris would most likely have to compete in a field of other candidates in 2028. Do you have some concern that she wouldn't be competitive?

[brooklynite]

62. .She wasn't competitive in 2020....

...and there will likely be new candidates like Governor's Whitmer and Newsom, in addition to experienced campaigners like Secretary Buttigieg.

[LymphocyteLover]

63. Obviously she will be in a very different place in 2028 as former VP

[brooklynite]

64. Not so far, from my perspective...

Other than "being" Vice-President, there isn't a break-out issue that she's becoming know for.

[beaglelover]

51. Agree.

[getagrip_already]

5. Strong intelligent woman of color....

Everything the right hates in one person.

[calguy]

6. I've always been a big fan of hers

But I don't think she'll ever be our party's nominee. And it has nothing to do with misogyny or racism. It has everything to do with her lack of national appeal. She couldn't even keep her 2016 campaign going long enough to be in the first primary.

[OAITW r.2.0]

8. Joe and Kamala started with a health crisis that Trump fucked up. At least 500K died needlessly because of

Trump/RW disinformation.

More climate events competently handled. . Russia's move to take over an independent and democratic Ukraine. Stopped. Strong regional support for Taiwan, the Philippines, SK, and Japan. Smart. labor intensive Energy policies. Healthcare (everyone's), US mass murder, the rise of Christianists in Congress / the rise of Neo-nazi Fascism in this Congress should concern all of us/US.

I'll take an 8 year partner with Joe, that has proven her capability and should earn our support in 2028.

[calguy]

11. If you can get a majority of Dems to agree with you...

she's on her way.

[LymphocyteLover]

47. why WOULDN'T we get a majority of Dems to agree? Is there something blocking people from seeing her accomplishments?

[edisdead]

23. Man she was my pick early in the run up to 2020.

Her announcement speech was fantastic.

Love her and would have my vote, time and contributions instantly.

[Walleye]

32. It has nothing to do with misogyny? I can't believe that

[progressoid]

35. I chose Warren over Harris (and Klobuchar, Gillibrand, Gabbard) 4 years ago.

It's possible to not select her and still not be misogyny.

If Hillary had been elected, I would feel the same way about Tim Kaine running for president....meh.

[Walleye]

36. Well I'm certainly not accusing you of misogyny, but look around, it's a way of life here

[calguy]

37. You can believe or disbelieve anything you want

But the fact remains that for all her strong points, she lacks what it takes to make a serious presidential run.
She was a terrific Senator, and I think she'd do well running for California Governor,but pitted against our potential candidates like Newsome, Whitmer and Buttigieg, she won't fair well at all.

[LymphocyteLover]

48. "she lacks what it takes to make a serious presidential run." Gee, what on earth could that be?

WTF!!?!?!?

[jaxexpat]

40. You have something there but I think alot of the public's dismissal of her is a product of the media's presentation.

I remember how the media was all about Clinton's "failed" presidency before he was even sworn in. Dave Barry did a humor feature article about it, condemning the media's frenzy to condemn him. Humorous because it was true.

[Fiendish Thingy]

9. Getting a little ahead of oneself, aren't we?

Let’s win 2024, then we can prepare for the Whitmer 2028 campaign…

[Takket]

16. +1

I mean... shouldn't we at least let Kamala... you know... actually declare her interest in being president before we throw our support behind her?

I get tired of saying this but 2024 will be the most important election of our lives. I know we said that in 2020 but the gop are hell bent on bringing an end to legitimate elections so they can destroy the country. I'll worry about 2028 in 5 years!

[AntiFascist]

20. Watching the 60 Minutes feature of her, and she seems....powerful. n/t

[edisdead]

24. Think the OP was being a bit tongue in cheek there

By stating she woukd have 8 years experience I think the OP was voicing their enthusiasm for Biden as well.

[Celerity]

10. I will likely not be supporting her in the primaries, as she may well not win the key swing states in the general

racism + sexism are embedded deep

plus she ran a poor campaign in 2020

[kwolf68]

12. If we don't win in 2024

There may not even be an election in 2028. Lets focus on next year first.

[question everything]

13. History shows that sitting V.P.s do not win. See Nixon, Gore

All of a sudden they have to distinguish their own platforms from the current administration.

Only papa Bush won because too many loved Reagan and wanted a third term and he lasted only one term. OK, with the help of Perot. And he had 90% approval ratings after the first Gulf War.

[Polybius]

18. Poppy also went down to an approval rating of about 28%

Which is odd, because he wasn't polarizing enough to go that low, but he did.

[H2O Man]

21. I'd add

Humphrey and Mondale to the list.

At the beginning of the 2020 primaries, I thought VP Harris might prove the best at stopping the defendent. But her campaign lost strength fairly early on. Now, there are people who will not vote for any woman, especially a non-white woman. They are not Democrats. They never vote for our candidates.They do not matter as much as the 2020 primaries. And the thing we need to focus on in the 2024 elections. For those elections count.

Perhaps in 2028, VP Harris will be overwhelmingly popular among the party. And she is more likely to gain support if she creates some excitement as VP in the next four years. A lot can happen in relatively short times. I like her addressing women's health care rights.

By concentrating on the presidential, House, and Senate campaigns of 2024, we can make all future things possible. If we fail to do that, the door may close tightly.

[uponit7771]

28. Truman? Gore did win without SC tilting scale

[brooklynite]

31. No, he didn't

Gore ;lost 10 States won by Clinton -- including his home State. Winning any of the other nine would have made Florida irrelevant.

[uponit7771]

42. In real life, Florida was relevant and USSC tipped scales to bush. That's reality. End of story

[Polybius]

55. Oddly enough, all of the polls before the election showed Bush winning Florida

Seems like they expected it to be in the bag. Democrats came out strong in that state in 2000.

[questionseverything]

58. You are correct

After bush was appointed the ap went back and hand counted the entire state of Florida

There were over 175,000 overvotes for gore that were not counted ( votes where gore’s name was punched but also written in)

While the machines wouldn’t count those votes the hand count clearly showed the voter’s intent

[NNadir]

57. The "laws" of history are not quite the laws of physics, and even if they were, the sample size is small.

[Maru Kitteh]

14. I've been impressed with her for some time now.

[betsuni]

22. She's intelligent, charismatic, attractive, fun.

Could be a star but probably won't because of things out of her control. Students who saw her on her recent tour and we know, she's a star.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

15. Someone Else - 2028

I don't think she would make an above average candidate.
I'm hoping for someone that captures the hearts of as many types of people as Obama did.

[uponit7771]

29. Expecting an Obama more than once in a lifetime is asking for disappointment

[Think. Again.]

33. But if we don't strive...

...for the best possible outcome, and work toward ever-increasing progress, we're just lowering our own standards.

Edit to add:

And I DO believe Harris could meet that challenge.

[uponit7771]

41. Too many people are allowing perfect and good to be the enemy of adequate, of course we want perfect ...

... and the best candidate in a majority of categories, but we're dealing with humans here .

Perfect and best in majority of categories is the exception when it comes to humans, not the rule.

I'm sick of defensively voting also, but that's what we're going to have for the next two to five years until anti-democracy in America is diminished.

[Think. Again.]

43. I agree...

...my hope is that we get very strong in our defensive voting to the point where the BS that we're dealing with now is no longer an obstacle to us making consistently better progress with every voting cycle.

[Polybius]

56. Well, we've had it twice so far (depending on your age, I'm assuming you are over 30)

Bill Clinton was highly charismatic.

[uponit7771]

65. I've liked all the Democratic part presidents in my voting lifetime, I think Biden is more progressive than Clinton ...

... which is a surprise for me

I don't think we'll EVER get another GOP president that is anywhere near progressive in my lifetime.

Eisenhower reps died with Eisenhower

[Polybius]

66. I was talking about charisma

Obama and Clinton were extremely charismatic. Very few can surpass them in that.

[A HERETIC I AM]

34. Jeff Jackson (D) NC

He's perfect.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

39. I'm not familiar with him but I'm getting kind of a John Edwards vibe.

[Celerity]

49. He should have ran for the US Senate in 2020. Unfortunately he is now going to likely lose his US

House seat in NC due to the MAGAts crazy new gerrymandered US House map that targets him and 3 other Dems (so a net 6 to 8 seat swing gain to the Rethugs, from 7 D/7 R at present to either 10 R/4 D or 11 R/ 3 D post 2024 elections)

[brooklynite]

54. He's running for NC Attorney General.

[Celerity]

60. good career move due to the new maps

[Polybius]

17. She wouldn't be my first choice (nor second or third or even fourth)

I'm going Gavin in '28.

[hydrolastic]

19. I like her, She has it all

I think Biden is going to hand off his voters to her in the last month.

[Think. Again.]

30. I've been patiently waiting...

...for the Biden aministration to let her shine when the time is right.

I completely respect the appropriately quiet way she serves as Vice President, but I believe there's a tiger under there and I would love to see the administration give her some more high-profile roles to take the lead on.

[Happy Hoosier]

38. I like her, and she was my first choice in 2020...

but I am no longer convinced she can win. We'll see.

[OLDMDDEM]

52. Gavin Newsom

[tritsofme]

59. There are so many potential candidates I like a lot more than Harris.

I don’t plan on supporting her in the primaries.

[pinkstarburst]

67. I'd prefer Buttigieg, Gavin Newsom, or I'd still

love Elizabeth Warren, who was my choice in the 2020 primary, but age may be a factor by that point.

With Harris, it's not that I don't think she doesn't have the intelligence or capability to do the job--she does. It's that she has never proven that she can win over voters. She didn't do very well in the 2020 primary. First she would need to win over DEMOCRATS (which she has never successfully done) and then she would have the much more daunting task of winning over the rest of the country in a general election, where she would face the same sexism Hillary faced in 2016--the most qualified person ever to run for president, running against a buffoon, and this country still wouldn't elect her--and Kamala Harris would have to face that same sexism, plus racism as many will not wish to elect a black woman president.