'We will repeat October 7 again and again' - Hamas official

[TheProle]

Link to tweet

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"Israel is a country that has no place on our land," Hamas official Ghazi Hamad told Lebanese news outlet LBCI news this week, according to a report and translation from the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) released on Wednesday.

"We must remove that country," he continued.

https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-771199

[ripcord]

1. And this is exactly why Israel is continuing the ground war

After 75 years of attempted genocide, terror and rocket attacks Israel is done giving the Palestinians chances. Their responsibility is to the people of Israel not the Palestinians.

[claudette]

7. Even if

international law is violated and innocents are slaughtered? I just don't understand this.

[ripcord]

11. Israel is not part of the ICC

So international law is irrelevant and it is also protecting terrorists at this point. Hamas has repeatedly violated international law but nothing has happened to them now has it?

[claudette]

15. Oh, okay then

you're saying they have the right to kill civilians because they are not part of the ICC and because Hamas violates international law, it's ok for Israel to do it. Got it.

[ripcord]

21. They have a right to defend themselves

They are not the ones using human shields. What are they supposed to do as rockets still fall on Israel and Hamas is threatening continued terror attacks? Stopping and going back to the status quo is not an option this time.

[atreides1]

34. Only one thing left to do

The only way to rid the world of Hamas, is to eradicate the Palestinians and raze Gaza to the ground!

Which I think is what of the some posters on DU are trying to say without saying it directly!

I myself do not advocate for this ultimate solution, but I would prefer honesty from those who do!

[ripcord]

39. So you don't have a solution? Guess what after decades neither does anyone else

Hamas made this situation and is throwing gasoline on it by threaten that the terror attacks will continue, this is what they always do because they don't want peace. Standing by and accepting it isn't an option no matter how much some people want that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. Not a Netanyahu fan. He's Israel's Trump.

Thar being said he hasn't called for genocide like the gentleman in the video.

[wnylib]

59. And you are Kreskin, the great mind reader?

You mysteriously "know" that people who believe that Hamas must be defeated are secretly in favor of razing Gaza and eradicate Palestinians. Such hyperbole.

[revmclaren]

18. Then you didnt listen to the

Hamas official in the video above.

The terrorist animals will continue with attacking Israeli civilians forever unless stopped. How many Israeli civilian deaths are enough to warrant attacks on Hamas?

1000...5000...10000...all of them?

The fighting will end when Hamas is purged from Gaza. This is on Hamas.

I stand with Israel protecting it's people from eternal attacks.

[claudette]

22. It's useless

to continue this with you. I stand with Israel to protect itself and for Gazans to protect themselves. The attacks don't have to be "eternal" if both sides would talk and not kill each other. That's one Hamas official's statement and killing innocent Palestinians will only inflame the rest of them instead of leading to peace. Revenge has already been exacted many times over.

[revmclaren]

28. This is not revenge for the October massacre

of innocent children, women, and men...this is to keep the same inhuman act being repeated over and over again.

But you are right...this interaction is over.

If you reply to any posts I make from now on I will respond with

[BannonsLiver]

64. Having read your posts since this started its pretty clear you don't "stand with Israel"

[revmclaren]

70. They have made their stance and support

obviously clear.

And it definitely is not Israel.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

89. "if both sides would talk and not kill each other."

In an ideal world, yes. In reality, some people simply cannot be negotiated with. They don't want peace. They don't want to compromise. Unfortunately, violence is sometimes the only solution, especially when dealing with religious or nationalist zealots.

[yardwork]

121. Are you only recently learning about the I/P situation?

The reason I ask is because you seem surprised that Hamas made this statement, when in fact this is what they've been saying for decades, as have others before them, going back to 1948 and well before. It's not new at all. It's the context under which Israel was created and exists. (Also, you seem to think that Israel grabbed Palestinian land in 1948, and that's not correct either.)

I am not Jewish, and I have disagreements with things Israel has done, but it's not at all helpful to portray them as one-dimensional bad guys vs. innocent oppressed Arabs. The truth is extremely complex - and yes, the whole world wishes that the fighting and suffering would end, but not at the cost of annihilating either side. Unfortunately, one side has consistently called for the annihilation of Israel - and all Jews - for decades. That's the facts.

[Chainfire]

112. I wonder, in this context, if the term "Hamas" is not a euphemism for all Palestinians.

[Mossfern]

29. ....and the innocent Israelis slaughtered?

Hamas gets a pass from International law?

[claudette]

35. No

but that doesn't mean that just because Hamas breaks the law that Israel should.

[Mossfern]

42. Israel is defending itself

Hamas has sworn to continue incursions and murders.
It doesn't work to just ask nicely to stop to people whose mission is to annihilate you.

Certainly you've read all the posts and articles showing that Hamas embeds its combatants
in civilian neighborhoods and facilities. Do you think that fact is somehow an Israeli lie?

[claudette]

54. Except that

INNOCENT Palestinians are not the ones harming Israel. Nuttyahoo is punishing them for existing and not conquering Hamas (as if they ever could!). It's the Zionist government that aims to annihilate Hamas and is including innocent Palestinians in their quest to do it. Sad and disgusting.

[Mossfern]

73. Netanyahu is protecting his peope

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against Hamas who hide amongst Gaza citizens.
How many times do you need to be told this.
Civilian citizens and babies are being killed by Hamas.

Palestinians do harm Israel - Hamas is the government of Gaza.. Just as Netanyahu is the leader of Israel.
Purposely misspelling his name makes you seem childish. If you're going to argue serious subjects about life and death, silly spellings make you appear insincere. (just a bit of advice)

[WalkerinSC]

81. The same could be said for Germany and Japan 80 years ago

Civilians get caught up in the fighting. Hamas is the leadership of Gaza. The civilians living there seem to support for all intents and purposes. They were pretty celebratory after the latest incursion. We didn't stop until we used atomics on Japan and broke the back of all resistance. There were no 'humanitarian' pauses. I don't know what the number is but at a certain point the people there will reach a limit and throw Hamas out. Or there won't be any left. By that point i expect it to be a wider war, with full NBC use and with the US, Russia, China, and Europe trying their level best to stay out of it.

[FBaggins]

82. It isn't that Hamas' violation of the laws of war excuses the same from Israel...

… it’s that they are not violations of war in the first place because of Hamas’ actions. It is NOT a war crime to bomb a legitimate military target and end up killing civilians (even if you know that civilians are there) if you first declare war, warn the civilians multiple times that you’re coming… and the defending forces do nothing to remove innocent civilians from the conflict area.

Indeed… Hamas failing to do so is itself a war crime. Much more so when they put them there intentionally

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

91. This, i think people are having a hard time grasping this.

Some seem to believe that every civilian death is a war crime and that simply is not the case. If that were, plenty of US soldiers would be guilty of it(myself included unfortunately). Civilians deaths cannot always be avoided. Its an unfortunate reality when fighting in urban areas.

[GuppyGal]

110. They don't care to grasp it ...it's really not that hard.

[Happy Hoosier]

40. How does one fight an enemy like Hamas?

I'm trying to understand your midset. I believe you are acting in what you see as a compassionate way.

Do you believe civilian casualties are EVER justified? If not, then Hamas's strategy works for you. They can keep doing Oct 7 over and over again and face no consequences by simply embedding themselves in the civilian poplulation and infrastructure.

Do you think that's sustainable? Do you believe they can be negotiated with? These are people saying they will deliberately target and murder Israeli citizens over and over and over again. Is that acceptable to you?

[claudette]

46. Well

as I have stated many times, Israel's intelligence abilities are supposed to be terrific, so WHY can't they FIND the Hamas leaders who plan the attacks and imprison them, or worse. Or, if Israel believes Iran or Lebanon is behind them, then use the intelligence gathered to fight the LEADERS of the groups.

However, Nuttyahoo leads a Zionist government that has NO intention of ending the war until thousands upon thousands of innocents are killed along with what he says are Hamas militants. This is just insane. If Israel would call a ceasefire, then maybe the hostages can be released alive. Nuttayhoo and the officials in that Zionist government do not want that. They want more deaths, as I see it.

[Happy Hoosier]

57. OKay, let's address that....

Hamas' leadership is largely in foreign countries, like Qatar. And while Israel could probably assinate them in those countries, it would come with a high political cost and individual leaders can be replaced. ISIL and A-Queada played that game for years. It's like wack-a-mole.

Likewise with local military commanders. It's useful to kill them during an engagement, as it offers a short-loived tactical advantage, but if the basic militant infrastructure remains in tact, there is essentuially no chage to the conditions... just a new dude calling the shots.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

The mitigate thew threat, the actual militant infrastructure must be degraded. If the militant infrastructure is destroyed, it doesn;t matter who the boss is, they have nothing to use. It's like guns... sure criminal will always exist, but a criminal without a gun is far less dangerous than a crminal WITH a gun.

But that's what's so hard here. They have deliberately embedded their militant infrastructure in a densely populated area because they KNOW all of the above. They KNOW that as long as they can retain the militant infrastructure, who the boss is doesn't really matter. Crunch all you want, we'll make more.

Now what? I'm all ears.

I have no love for NutandYahoo, but I do notice your use of the term "Zionist" which I want to ask you about. To me, that term just means someone who advocattes for Israel to exist. What does it mean to you.

I am really trying to understand your point of view instead of just yelling at each other.

[hedda_foil]

65. Israel has a far right government. Zionism used in this context tars an entire nation.

Netanyahu and his government are MAGA types. A majority of Israeli citizens voted against his Likud party in the past five or six elections. Several times he was unable to form a government and the country repeatedly went back to the polls to vote against Likud. He finally teamed up with several even fringier right wing parties to form a parliamentary majority and has been trying to tie the hands of their supreme court ever since (to keep him out of jail). Israelis were protesting en masse every week since and Hamas used that period of time to plan a massacre of civilians. BTW, Israelis who live in kibbutzes, such as those attacked on October 7, tend to vote against Likud.

Zionism refers to a 19th-early 20th Century left-wing European Jewish movement to leave the countries where they were often subject to antisemitic pogroms (which were similar in execution to the 10/7 attacks) to found a state in the traditional land of Israel.

Attacking so-called Zionists as the evil enemy is profoundly anti-Semitic. Period. It lumps all Jews who believe Israel has a right to exist into an evil "other."

I believe the choices of the Likud government of Israel are making in trapping and bombing the people of Gaza are horrifyingly wrong. But you have -- knowingly or not -- placed their reaction in a highly antisemitic and inflammatory context.

[EndlessWire]

77. You indicate that Netanyahu will

apparently label just anyone as Hamas according to his preference. This is just a supposition on your part.

I think that you are naive on the matter that a simple ceasefire and brisk talking will end this war. Be prepared for all the rest of the hostages to disappear into history, as my supposition is that Hamas is using them in attempts to gain advantage in the war. A ceasefire to negotiate for hostage release is not going to happen, as that is not the intent of Hamas. Here they are actually trying to fan the flames of war. Here it is always the other guy that dies, not them. They are ready to sacrifice not only the noncombatants, but their own soldiers just as long as they keep the hostilities burning.

Your overall post smacks of antisemitism, although that is a popular dig and I don't think you meant it. I think that what Hamas did is beyond just breaking international law. It was a crime against humanity, which Hamas just indicated they will repeat. You have to ask yourself why would Hamas publicly voice their hatred like this? They want to keep the war going with their dedication to Israel's destruction, so better to scream a war cry to their fellow Arabs, without which their annihilistic dream will never happen.

They're getting their own asses kicked. There was no justification for what they did, and certainly none for what they are saying. No, Israel will not get rid of all of Hamas. But they can take control of Gaza back, and give it to the Palestinians, who I think will think twice or thrice before they reelect those hideous monsters. If they do reelect Hamas, then the next time Hamas decides to butcher humans, they will be nothing but a parking lot, regardless. As steep as the price is, Hamas has got to go. And, they won't go voluntarily.

In the grand scheme of things, it's good to care deeply about other humans and what happens to them. But sometimes you have to suck it up and do what you have to do.

[wnylib]

49. I don't like it, either. But Hamas makes it impossible to defeat them

any other way due to their own fighting tactics. To them, dead civilians are a plus, to use for propaganda, so they set up situations where civilians will be killed when Hamas is attacked. The civilians are caught between the fighting from both sides.

Yet, Hamas has to be defeated.

[BannonsLiver]

63. Your understanding is not required.

[Cha]

120. Rec.. not required.

[agingdem]

66. you're correct... international law only applies to Israel but not Hamas,

a terrorist organization that is determined to massacre/annihilate every Jewish man, woman, and child... international law only applies to Israel when Hamas beheads Jewish babies, dismembers Jewish children, rapes Jewish women, sets fire to Jewish elderly, slaughters Jewish music festival attendees, kidnaps and tortures children...how dare Israel retaliate when attacked!...but OMG think of the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza...the same poor Palestinians that allowed Hamas to oust the Palestinian Authority and line their pockets with stolen humanitarian aid while they live in poverty..and think of the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza who look the other way as Hamas stockpiles weapons in tunnels under their homes/schools/hospitals/mosques...

fuck "international law"!!!

[Jedi Guy]

79. So what would you have Israel do, then?

Their choices are either defending themselves even though doing so will result in Gazan civilians being killed, or doing nothing and allow the attacks from Hamas to continue and escalate, exactly as Hamas has promised to do.

In the former, Israel continues to exist and suffers the slings and arrows (some of) the world's disapproval. In the latter, Israel ceases to exist after suffering the slings and arrows (and bullets and bombs and missiles and etc.) of Hamas.

So to reiterate: what would you have Israel do? Not what they shouldn't do, but what they should do.

[brush]

90. The air strikes have to stop immediately as IMO they are as inhumane as what Hamas did...

because it's well known innocent civilians are dying in the air strikes...one unbelievably on a refugee camp. That is absolutely insane.

To get Hamas is has to be ground forces fighting urban warfare. It's not easy, it'll be a long, hard slop and many will be lost on both sides but at lease the civilian deaths can be minimized much more effectively than the indiscriminate bombings of civilian occupied housing, I don't care in Hamas operations are suspected.

Urban warfare is hard but it's the way to ferret out Hamas from the buildings and tunnels.

The air strikes are inhumane and and must stop immediately.

[Jedi Guy]

93. While I appreciate that it's a suggestion on what Israel should do rather than what they shouldn't...

The ground incursion is going to be as bloody or worse for the civilians, I think. House-to-house urban warfare is brutal for all involved, but especially so for the civilians since Hamas doesn't wear uniforms and will continue to use civilians as human shields.

It wouldn't surprise me if Hamas fighters masqueraded as civilians before attacking IDF troops. There's no low to which they will not stoop, and doing so will increase the paranoia of IDF troops and encourage their commanders to loosen the rules of engagement.

If you take away nothing else from my reply, please remember this: Hamas does not care about civilian casualties and in fact welcomes them. They will do everything they possibly can to increase the body count.

Please keep that in mind when the ground incursion begins in earnest. It will be a meat grinder.

[brush]

97. I absolutely disagree that the urban warfare will be worse for the civilians...

especially in the tunnels where Hamas has a good part of it's operations, and civilians are not down there in them.

And the civilians above ground can be warned to move to refugee camps, hoping the IDF doesn't BOMB THEM ANYMORE. If they don't move then it's their choice and it's on them if they want to stay in an endangered area. That IMO is certainly better than continued air strikes on civilian occupied building where Hama operations might be suspected.

So let me get this straight, you're actually advocating continued air strikes on civilian housing, and refugee camps too.

Unbelievable.

[Jedi Guy]

100. I hope you are correct, but I fear you will not be.

I don't foresee the IDF sending troops down into the tunnels to fight Hamas unless they have strong evidence that a hostage might be in there. Even if a hostage were down there, odds are good Hamas would kill them rather than allow them to be rescued. The tunnels are almost certain to be booby-trapped, possibly with charges designed to bring them down on everyone inside. That's just how Hamas rolls.

As for the refugee camps, where do you think these tunnels are? Because many of them are directly below the refugee camps or other civilian areas, like hospitals. To reach them, IDF will have to go into those areas, which are full of civilians. Hamas is not going to just sit there and let IDF do that. They'll attack as soon as IDF arrives, civilians or no, and they'll probably do their best to blend in with the civilians.

Please reread my post. I didn't advocate one approach over the other. I said a full ground incursion will likely not be better, and may be worse, in terms of civilian casualties. Those aren't the same thing.

From the view of an IDF commander, though, airstrikes are preferable to a ground incursion. IDF is under no obligation to place its troops at unnecessary risk. One way to minimize that risk is to use airstrikes before launching the ground incursion. Why do you think they've been doing exactly that?

[Jedi Guy]

105. "So you're in favor of bombing civilian housing? Unbelievable."

That's twice now you've tried to put words in my mouth. I can't help but wonder why you're doing that, but regardless of your reasons, I'd ask that you stop, please.

What I said was that from the perspective of an IDF commander, airstrikes ahead of a ground incursion is preferable to a ground incursion alone. That's the tactically sound thing to do to avoid putting your troops at undue risk. IDF commanders' first duty is to the citizens of Israel, including the troops they command.

Secondly, a ground incursion would involve potentially days or more to reach locations deeper inside Gaza, if Hamas puts up a lot of resistance. So rocket launch sites can continue to operate, killing Israelis, until troops reach and destroy them. Or IDF can just destroy the launch sites from the air without having to fight their way to them inch by inch.

As for how IDF approaches the tunnels, keep in mind that there are only two things in the tunnels they might care about: hostages and intelligence about other Hamas assets. That's it. If they don't have reason to believe one or the other is down there, why send in troops and put them at risk? Collapse the tunnels and move on.

I'm not in favor of anyone being bombed. I'd prefer to live in a world where such things didn't happen and weren't necessary.

I also recognize that by placing their assets in civilian areas, Hamas leaves Israel no choice in the matter and makes it necessary. They either strike those assets and potentially kill civilians, or hold back and allow those assets to potentially kill Israeli civilians.

It's Sophie's choice. There is no good option. I'm not sure what else there is to say here.

[brush]

107. You finally said you're not in favor of continued bombings. That's all you had to say.

Bombing civilian areas and refugee camps...PLEASE. That's war crimes-adjacent, if not that. Why do you think Putin can't travel to certain countries? He's afraid of being arrested and taken to the Hague for Russia bombing civilian housing in Ukraine.

And have a little more faith in Mossad an the IDF ground forces.

[PCIntern]

106. You're sitting in a comfy domicile

And deciding how best to conduct warfare in an environment of which you have no concept. Another highly qualified individual reporting for duty. I’ll phone the IDF and let them know you’re available.

[brush]

108. You're doing the same thing. See post 107.

[agingdem]

118. and the air strikes are not random...

Hamas stockpiles their weapons in tunnels under Palestinian homes/schools/hospitals/mosques and anywhere Palestinians congregate...to Israel's credit they give notice encouraging the Palestinians to leave prior to a strike...

this is a war triggered by a terrorist group committed to annihilating Jews everywhere...and in retaliation for the wholesale slaughter of innocent Israeli Jews living their everyday lives, the Palestinians of Gaza will die, neighborhoods will be leveled...Hamas started this war, Israel intends to finish it ...

[Jedi Guy]

119. "Hamas started this war, Israel intends to finish it."

Pretty much, yeah. They've already had reason to say, "Never again." They're not looking for any more reasons to say it.

If Hamas cared half as much for their own people as they hate the Israelis...

[agingdem]

125. nothing says "We Care" like Hamas using their

own people as human shields...

[Zeitghost]

109. Innocents die in war

The blame for which lies solely on those who instigated that war.

When Germans died as we ended the Nazi stranglehold on Europe, we didn't blame the Allied powers dropping those bombs.

Now here we are 80 years later with another evil entity intent on slaughtering Jews and wiping them from the face of the planet and you and others decide to blame those same Jews for refusing to let it happen again. Curious position to take...

When Israel said "Never Again", they meant it.

[agingdem]

126. "Never Again" will Jews everywhere trust the global community to

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to condemn the slaughter of Jews...when.a Jewish soldier goes to war to defend Israel's right to exist, he/she carries the memories the 6 million dead...

[Cha]

113. GD Hamas "Slaughtered" Innocent Jewish People on Oct 7

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When there was a Ceasefire in Place on Oct 6, 2023.. That was Mediated by Egypt on May 13, 2023.

Hamas snuck into Israel and Broke the Agreement By Butchering Babies with their Fucking Bloodthirsty bare hands.

Hamas doesn't want a Ceasefire.. and Israel is Not going to give them a chance to get their Fucking hands on their Babies AGAIN.

[Initech]

2. Fuck Hamas! They are the ones who need to be annihilated.

[MyNameIsJonas]

3. This is why a ceasefire is not realistic.

And people who advocate for a ceasefire either are naive enough to believe Hamas will actually adhere to it - or just want Israel to abide by it, even after Hamas breaks any superficial agreement.

[JustAnotherGen]

4. They are straight up

Bringing this upon Gaza themselves.

[claudette]

9. They want their

land back. If it were anyone but the Zionist Nuttyahoo in power, a ceasefire might be possible to get the hostages back alive and to talk about a peaceful solution.

[Calculating]

20. Are you seriously taking the side of those monsters?

Hamas is totally in the wrong here, and what they did was an unjustified act of war.

[Mossfern]

36. I believe so

[claudette]

38. Are you

seriously accusing me of that? I am NOT "taking sides." Hamas was wrong to attack Israel. As I keep saying, Israel has exacted their revenge many times over and in trying to destroy Hamas, they are inflicting pain and suffering on ALL Palestinians. There has to be another way. Don't accuse me of taking the side of a terrorist group just because you can't accept that Israel is not perfect.

[Happy Hoosier]

43. This isn't just about revenge.

I'm sure there is revenge in the hearts of the Israelis. But the most important thing for Israel is that they not just waiting for the next Oct 7 to happen. So long as Hamas remains in power, another Oct 7 is not just possible, but inevitiable.

[JustAnotherGen]

129. There's a great way

The Arab League can demand that Hamas be removed from Leadership, lay down their arms, and give up every single Israel hostage. It's that simple.

What's the problem with that?

Also - anyone who raped a woman has to be put through criminal court in Israel. Its fair.

Those women want their dignity back.

[Arazi]

33. Nah, Hamas will continue whether it's Netanyahu or someone else

Their entire reason for existing is to wipe Israel and Israelis off the face of the earth.

That’s it.

That’s their mission statement and it has nothing to do with the folks in power on either side

[calguy]

45. Exactly... You can't negotiate with terrorists who are hellbent to destroy you.

As Hillary Clinton said, those who advocate for a ceasefire do not understand Hamas. A ceasefire would only allow them to regroup and strengthen their positions to further their only goal, which is to annihilate the Jewish people from the face of the earth.

[Happy Hoosier]

41. What land? Land in Israel? Do you think that's a realistic expectation? NT

[Fozzledick]

5. THIS is why no ceasefire is possible, and why Gaza is as it is.

Not that there's really any doubt.

[claudette]

6. And the

revenge will be seen from their side now. More hatred has been built. When will it end? The world should try to get them to have a ceasefire, negotiate to get the hostages returned alive and then talk about a two-state solution.

[edisdead]

8. they are literally telling you "No cease fire"

[claudette]

12. Maybe if

Israel called for the ceasefire they could get the hostages returned alive. Unlike the present Israeli government, the inhabitants of Gaza don't believe that a "god" gave Palestine to Israel alone.

[edisdead]

48. Maybe

But what in the quote above tells you that they have any intention of listening to Israel?

[claudette]

51. That's just one

official's statement. I'm thinking (and hoping) there are many other Hamas members who think differently.

[Wingus Dingus]

56. Yeah. I was always wondering why the reasonable, moderate Al Qaeda and ISIS guys didn't

speak up more, too, when they had a chance.

[The Magistrate]

69. Thank You For The Gift Of Laughter, Ma'am: The Stuff's In Short Supply Nowadays

[Jedi Guy]

85. "I'm thinking (and hoping) there are many other Hamas members who think differently."

This is satire, right? You had us going for a while. Good show. But this is where you laugh and say, "Ha, I was joking, Hamas really are the worst and they need to go."

...right?

[JoseBalow]

92. This made me laugh out loud

[sarisataka]

115. Please,

PLEASE tell me that you are making a joke

[Wingus Dingus]

14. I think Hamas needs to be severely hobbled first.

Then, negotiations.

[calguy]

50. Hamas needs to be completely destroyed first

Then Bibi needs to be removed from office. Only then can talks about a two state be considered.

[Wingus Dingus]

55. Well, I have lower expectations of how much they CAN be destroyed, considering

that they have outside support and sheltering and funding to keep doing what they're doing. But yeah, complete destruction works for me.

[calguy]

127. I have the same reservations that you do

But one can hope.

[sarisataka]

16. Why is it so difficult to understand

"Israel is a country that has no place on our land,"

There is no "Israel" in Hamas world.

[claudette]

19. I take that to mean

that they believe Gaza is THEIR land and they should be able to govern themselves as a free state. If Israel had not taken that land by force, there would be both an Israel and a Palestine. Why is THAT so difficult to understand?

[ripcord]

26. They have already joined the Arab nations in five genocide attempts

They don't deserve that land and btw Israel didn't take Gaza from the Palestinians they took it from Egypt.

[revmclaren]

30. Dont you hate people who dont even

know the history of the country they are posting about.

Aggravating as hell.

[sarisataka]

31. If you read the Hamas Covenant

You would see that is incorrect. When they say Palestine they mean all of it.
Some excerpts (again)-

The Land of Palestine
2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

The position toward Occupation and political solutions

18. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.
19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.

There is no place for "the Zionist entity" (Israel)

[EllieBC]

74. Oh stop spinning it to suit your needs.

Take people at what they say. They aren’t using flowery speech.

Maybe you don’t want them to mean “no Israel and no Jews” but it’s clear as day.

[EndlessWire]

95. Looks good on paper

but Hamas does not want a ceasefire. They apparently are currently trying to gin up support for their war against Israel. It isn't about stopping the fighting. It's about what the ratfuckers hiding in Qatar want, which is total annihilation of Israel. The US Congressional troubles are probably a factor in the timing.

I think that the UN should open a discussion of a possible new country in the General Assembly. It should be started NOW, without waiting for the outcome of the war or the disposition of the hostages. It would change the atmosphere of the war. You know, Hamas looks at Israel like Israel is their territory, the same as Israel looks at Hamas like Gaza is their territory. The only people that count here are the Palestinians. If you think that they are suffering now, wait until Hamas manages to start WW3.

[PatSeg]

10. There has been so much support worldwide

for Palestinians and then this idiot goes and says something like that. There will be no chance for peace in the Middle East as long as people like him and Netanyahu are making the decisions. This is absolute madness.

[claudette]

13. He really did ruin it

for those who are aiming for a peaceful two-state solution. Idiots all around.

[JohnSJ]

44. That is the way it always is. Extremists sabotaged OSLO, the closest we came to an actual

two state solution.

Rabin was killed by an extremist Israeli, and Sadat was killed by extremists from the Muslim Brotherhood

[sarisataka]

27. Hamas has been saying this all along

Since the day they came into existence.

Pro-Palestinian protesters have said it around the world.

People are just refusing to believe what "From the river to the sea" means

[Freethinker65]

37. This. +100

[Farmer-Rick]

61. This constant verbal attacks by leaders

Serves only themselves. Hamas is awful and Netanyahu is awful.

They both only inflame the problems.

Did we ever find out what Netanyahu knew about the attacks by Hamas inside Israel's borders? It just seems so strange that he didn't know something was coming for Israel.

[yardwork]

80. Um, the actions on 10/7 speak for themselves

This is who Hamas is. This is what they do. If anyone is unclear on their intentions, it's not because Hamas has been ambiguous.

[dalton99a]

17. All Palestinians must go to heaven to glorify Hamas

[Calculating]

23. He wants his own people to die while he sits in luxury

Absolutely vile

[Justice matters.]

67. he 'wants' his 72 virgins...

extremists religions....

[revmclaren]

24. Mosad needs to put this murderous asswipe

out of our misery, the sooner the better.

[GuppyGal]

47. Well he should start with himself then.....

[WalkerinSC]

84. Is he one of the cowards

sending other to 'martyrdom' while he lives an easy life Qatar? Amazing how these guys become millionaires extolling the virtues of dying as suicide bombers or jihadis yet not a single one of them seems to die like that.

[CanonRay]

25. That does not sound like a path to a cease fire.

let alone peace.

[rollin74]

32. exactly why Hamas can't be reasoned or negotiated with

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they only seek the destruction of Israel and Jews.

I wish the IDF success in destroying Hamas ASAP

[Ray Bruns]

88. Agreed. How do negotiate with someone who doesn't recognize your right to exist.

[Army Brat]

52. Both side engaging in too much of this rhetoric

Not helpful.

[revmclaren]

60. You watched the video

and you still use 'both-sidisms'?

[ColinC]

62. Perhaps they mean on Gaza

As far as I’m concerned Israel and Hamas are together orchestrating the largest mass murder of civilians we have seen in a long time.

[Sympthsical]

68. Did they not see the signs about the ceasefire?

They must not have seen the signs.

Guys? More signs? More signs, please! No, they didn't see them. Crazy, right? No more marker. Paint only from this point on. We need to make sure they saw our signs!

[ChicagoComrade]

71. It's crazy that people in a ghetto get desperate

And start acting like terrorist. What are they thinking?

[keithbvadu2]

72. When, exactly, would Hamas agree to a true ceasefire?

Here, we have a Hamas official tell, in no uncertain terms, that they will continue to kill innocent civilians and children.

[EllieBC]

75. Did they not get the ceasefire memo from the squad or the dsa?

They should make sure to check their email again. Junk folders too.

[Joinfortmill]

76. This is the problem...

They don't care if their own people die.

[yardwork]

78. Well, that seems pretty clear.

[sarisataka]

94. Not clear enough

For some...

[yardwork]

122. Yes, I see.

[Ziggysmom]

83. Hamas's 1988 founding charter calls for the destruction of Israel. That is still

their goal. They waste all their money that could help their people on weapons and tunnels. They will never stop fighting. They refuse to recognize Israel, and violently opposed the Oslo peace accords negotiated between Israel and the PLO. I see no end in sight, unfortunately.

[yardwork]

86. Apparently, a lot of folks commenting on this never heard of Hamas until last week.

[perdita9]

87. Anyone who thinks Israel is being unreasonable needs to watch this

You cannot strike a deal with crazy.

Hamas needs to be seen as the enemy to both Israel and the Palestinians.

[flashman13]

96. I took the time to read all of the replies to Hamad's post. It simply reinforces

my conclusion that the Israeli/Palestinian is insoluble. There is simply too much bad blood and bad faith on both sides to find a solution.

I also conclude that the vast majority of commenters know next to nothing about the history of this conflict. For most, the history starts with October 7, 2023. However, this current outbreak of violence is just one more episode in a fight/war that has been ongoing for roughly 100 years.

Don't ask me what my solution to the situation is. I don't have a solution. The one thing I do know is that this conflict could completely spin out of control and turn into a truly horrific conflagration.

I will now don my flak jacket in anticipation of incoming outrage.

[radicalleft]

98. No outrage from me

You are absolutely right.

[sarisataka]

99. Q: "Does that mean the annihilation of Israel? "

A: "Yes, of course."
@0:55

Can the be any question?

[former9thward]

101. When someone tells you what they are going to do, believe them.

And act accordingly.

[mathematic]

103. Boy is he going to be surprised when he finds out all those protesters negotiated a ceasefire.

But not really, since using the term "ceasefire" as a bludgeon to get Israel to unilaterally stop military action against Hamas is an important part of Hamas propaganda.

[GuppyGal]

114. Ding Ding Ding hit it right on the head

[GuppyGal]

116. It's funny that most of the Israel haters stay far away from this thread

Hmmmmm now why is that?

[TheProle]

123. Hard to spin Hamas intent

when they are so plainly stating it.

[honest.abe]

117. They will not be able to do another Oct 7.

Israel was completely caught off-guard. It will be near impossible to do now anything like they did then.

This talk is to provoke Israel to attack more which will garner more international criticism and hatred of Israel.

Clearly this situation is a horrific mess which could easily spiral out of control where no one wins and everyone loses.

[Maru Kitteh]

124. WHEN PEOPLE TELL YOU WHO THEY ARE - BELIEVE THEM.

Palestinians will have no peace until Hamas is eradicated.

[DFW]

130. When people like that tell you their intentions, believe them, too.

I take this guy at his word, at least as far as his intentions go.

[Patton French]

128. Yet some will continue to attack Israel for defending itself.

Imagine living a few miles from people who unabashedly call for and try to cause your total annihilation.

[JCMach1]

131. As long as they get that sweet oil money to help spike prices,

They will keep it up...