'Killers of the Flower Moon", Scorcese's latest. If you have not

[niyad]

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seen it yet, GO NOW! Intense, epic, deeply disturbing, and LONG. . .3 & 1/2 hours, no intermission.

Taken from David Grann's meticulously researched "Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the Modern F. B.I."

[leftstreet]

1. Will those of us who read the book be disappointed?

(if you've read the book)

[niyad]

5. I did read the book, and I do not think that you will be

disappointed, even though it had to be greatly condensed. The timeline of the federal investigation was shortened, and j. edgar not in at all. I will be getting the dvd as soon as it comes out, because I want to take my time going through, and honouring, all involved.

I have watched several interviews and documentaries about the film, about the Reign of Terror, and how much Scorsese involved the Osage Nation in the filming.

The sheer evil of the murders takes one's breath away, all based on greed, and contempt and hatred.

One interesting note was the reference to the Tulsa Race Massacre (I had not realized that it was covered before being buried and deliberately ignored), which happened within the limited timeframe that the film covered. Same hatred, same resentments, same ugliness and evil.

[malaise]

19. I'll have to see this now

Thanks

[niyad]

20. You are most welcome. Please let me know what you think

of it afterwards.

[cilla4progress]

29. One of many reasons I believe

America's karma is biting us in the butt rn.

[niyad]

30. True.

[Butterflylady]

39. Oh, is it ever.

[robbob]

40. I had never heard about Tulsa (mind you, I'm Canadian)

until I saw the Watchmen television mini series, which opens with a depiction of that event. It was so horrific I paused the episode one right there and had to look it up. How does this kind of history get buried? Oh right, never mind; Republicans. It’s “unpatriotic” and “anti American” to study actual historical events.

America needs its own truth and reconciliation commission. We did that here in Canada in relation to the residential school tragedy. Doesn’t make everything better, but it’s a start. And people who vehemently and violently oppose looking openly and frankly at the crimes of the past are a big part of the problem, and most often the ones who want to continue the tradition of systemic racism and hatred.

[Dorian Gray]

12. I had not read the book but my husband did

we both loved it, and he filled me in on a lot of background info that was cut. There were liberties taken. He didn't seem to mind them.

[niyad]

16. The credits did acknowledge that liberties were taken, but,

like your husband, I did not mind.

Too bad that it could not have been done like Spielberg's "Into the West", as a ten-part miniseries.

[Dorian Gray]

18. A miniseries

or limited series television show would have been fascinating and compelling. But that's not Scorcese's style!

From what it sounds like the cuts and additions added to the narrative quite well. Scorcese is a masterful storyteller. (One of the things my husband missed from the book was how well the FBI infiltrated the community. They showed it with the one character, but it was so brief.)

[niyad]

21. The only scorsese film I had seen before now was "Alice

Doesn't Live Here Anymore", as I tend to avoid "scorsese red" (a throw-away line in "The Holiday&quot , but this was incredibly well-done. The FBI investigation had to be condensed, of course, but done well.

[kairos12]

25. I read it.

The movie brought into great relief the amount of evil that was done.

Horrifying on a personal and grand level.

[niyad]

31. Exactly.

[MagickMuffin]

2. I'm friends with a wise Osage woman

She told me stories long before the book was written. She is well known in the community.

[niyad]

13. What does she think of the film?

[tirebiter]

3. No, this needed to be out the most people possible. I'd like to hear the radio show, too btw.

[niyad]

15. It does need to be seen by as many as possible.

[msfiddlestix]

23. Is there a radio show?

does it stream on line?

[niyad]

32. The radio show referenced one done at the time. And the

movie will apparently be streamed by Apple+ at some point later.

[msfiddlestix]

37. thanks!

[TlalocW]

4. I have to go see it

One of my best friends from high school that I'm still buds with has a less than 10 seconds part in it behind a counter selling cigars.

[niyad]

14. I will have to pay attention to that scene when I watch it again!

[maxsolomon]

6. It's coming to streaming around Thxgvg

I'll probably watch it over multiple nights.

[niyad]

9. I could not find a date for the streaming release (Apple+), but

it was mentioned that, due to its length, it might take a bit longer than usual to get to streaming.

I definitely want to watch it again.

[Chautauquas]

7. I cant sit in a theater that long

so I'll have to wait for streaming.

[niyad]

8. It will be on Apple+ when it does go to streaming.

Fortunately, the theater where I watched it has those reclining lounge chairs, otherwise I could not sit that long, either.

[Xavier Breath]

26. That's the single thing holding me back.

I'd love to see it on the big screen, but I'd be climbing the walls at that length, so I'll just have to wait to see it later at home. Back in the famed "day" they used to insert intermissions into long films, which was a really good idea. I guess today they just see that as time when the screen isn't earning revenue.

[niyad]

27. No, I think in this cas it was a matter of not breaking the buildup.

There really was not a point where one could logically break. The concession stands make the money, after all.

[Xavier Breath]

33. But it isn't unique to this film

they've done away with intermissions for all long films. My pet peeve, YMMV.

[BlueTsunami2018]

10. I've been meaning to go.

Just haven’t had an opportunity yet.

[niyad]

11. I hope that you will have that opportunity soon. Well worth it.

[JoseBalow]

17. Speaking of streaming

I'd rather see it on a big screen. Since there is no intermission, at what point after an hour or so would you suggest making run to the "concession stand"? Is there a scene I could afford to miss around half way through?

[niyad]

22. Actually, I would suggest getting it all beforehand. As to the

other trip, I really could not say.

[msfiddlestix]

24. This is the first I'm hearing of it.. thanks for the notification

Seems like something I'd rather stream to take the breaks I'll need, cuz I can't sit that long.

I do n't do apple plus, but I do Amazon Prime, they tend to stream new film releases. Hoping I can pick it up there?

[niyad]

28. From what I could see, Apple+, as they helped finance the film.

And, you are most welcome. Read the book if you get the chance, it was an incredible piece of research. And there are a number of documentaries online about that Reign of Terror, an absolutely shameful, horrific part of this country's treatment of the Indigenous.

[Ninga]

34. Just saw it. A stunning work of story telling.

The 3 1/2 hrs was no problem because the compelling narrative and performances kept me so engaged I did not check my watch once.
I did think ahead and made sure to sit in an aisle seat.
Every creative element worked beautifully.
Maybe Martin Scorsese’s best ever.

[niyad]

35. Absolutely agree!

I usually cannot sit for long periods, but had no trouble sitting through this incredible film. Of course, the lounge chair/recliner seating helps. And I made certain to get seating in the first row above handicap seating, so nothing in front of me.

Worth every moment.

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

36. A Martin Scorsese film

more than anything else. It is too long but the time goes by fast. However, the films focus is on two white guys. Scorsese is still exploring and critiquing the archetypal Hollywood protagonist, esp. the "good bad guy" and the "bad good guy" as they used to describe characters in westerns. For me it was a personal disappointment. There are enough films about the white savior that we don't need to see another film that's main focus is on DeNiro (who is too old for the role) and DeCaprio. There are many independent films directed by Native Americans that never get the recognition that they deserve.

[Ninga]

38. I did not see it as white savior at all. Isn't the

story the story? The FBI were hardly saviors, although some served time.