The NRA has a new customer base.

[MOMFUDSKI]

The Jews are packing.

[yagotme]

1. Well, the Nazi's did try to wipe the Jews off the map.

A revolt in the Warsaw ghetto, started with a handful of weapons, kept a whole lot of German soldiers busy for quite a while. Imagine if the Jews had fought back like that from the very beginning? (See: German Gun Control Act of 1938.)

[Aristus]

2. Right now, I'm just trying to imagine people not engaging in 'blame the victim' attacks against

victims of the Holocaust. I'm not succeeding...

[yagotme]

3. Is that what you think I'm saying?

It's not. The Holocaust was an unparallelled atrocity, prior to, or after. In 1938-1940, the Jews had no idea what was coming down the road. The point I was trying to make, is that if they had fought back immediately (like they have in this recent attack), history would have been different (looking at it as an experimental thought project, not "blaming&quot . The 1938 Gun Control Act kept arms out of their hands, leaving them defenseless. People TODAY are saying Israel should "cool it", or they're bombing too much, etc. They've been on the receiving end of the shitty part of the stick for a few thousand years, and I don't blame them for tearing up a government that wants them dead, especially after a brutal surprise attack. I apologize if you think I was "victim blaming", but I assure you, I was not. My post was to originally point out that it was a lack of access to firearms in the 1940's, that was a leading factor in the initial lead up to the Holocaust, along with a lack of knowledge of what was really in store for them. By the time the word of the "final solution" came out, the Jews (and the other "undesirables&quot , were in a poor position to resist.

[Aristus]

5. I apologize.

"If the Jews had just had guns, the Holocaust would never have happened" is a pretty common refrain among gunfucks to justify a nation in which active shooter drills are a thing, and playgrounds strewn with the bodies of dead, mutilated children are shrugged off as the "price for freedom".

The 1938 Gun Control Act is even cited (over and over and over again) as evidence that any government that tries to restrict access to weapons of mass murder is "tyrannical", and has Holocausts in mind.

I'm not Jewish, but I tend to be sensitive to anything that sounds like blame-the-victim.

[Paladin]

6. Well said. (nt)

[yagotme]

10. GW University is a gunfuck?

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/154043

ETA: Columbian College of Arts & Sciences, GW Univ.

[Aristus]

11. It matters less who is saying than why they are saying it, and what they hope to accomplish by

doing so.

[yagotme]

13. So, is GW Univ. pro or anti gun?

Your comment left me a little confused. From the article:

By fall of 1938, the Nazis were ratcheting up measures to expropriate the assets of Jews. To ensure that they had no means of resistance, the Jews were ordered to surrender their firearms.

Alfred Flatow walked into a Berlin police station to comply with the command and was arrested on the spot, as were other Jews standing in line. The arrest report confirmed that his pistols were duly registered, which was how the police knew he had them. While no law prohibited a Jew from owning guns, the report recited the Nazi mantra: “Jews in possession of weapons are a danger to the German people.” Despite his compliance, Flatow was turned over to the Gestapo.

Sounds like gun registration led to confiscation to me.

[TeamProg]

4. More guns sales is never good news. nt

[sarisataka]

7. So what are you saying?

Is it bad that the Jews are packing?
Are the Jews joining the NRA?
Are the Jews going to be a problem if either or both of those are true?

It seems there is more...

[stopdiggin]

28. nah. it's about what you suspected. -(nt)-

[edhopper]

8. I doubt any of the Jewish people

who are buying guns because of the reasonable fear they now have, are opposed to any proposed gun laws.

So no, the NRA has no new customers.

[yagotme]

12. Well, unless they live in a state with an "assault weapon" ban.

are opposed to any proposed gun laws

[edhopper]

15. they are buying handguns

not assault weapons

[yagotme]

19. Handguns aren't assault weapons?

Please tell that to the State of IL.

(C) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to
accept a detachable magazine or that may be readily
modified to accept a detachable magazine, if the firearm
has one or more of the following:
(i) a threaded barrel;
(ii) a second pistol grip or another feature
capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can
be held by the non-trigger hand;
(iii) a shroud attached to the barrel or that
partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing
the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger
hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that
encloses the barrel;
(iv) a flash suppressor;
(v) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine
at some location outside of the pistol grip; or
(vi) a buffer tube, arm brace, or other part that
protrudes horizontally behind the pistol grip and is
designed or redesigned to allow or facilitate a
firearm to be fired from the shoulder.
(D) A semiautomatic pistol that has a fixed magazine
with the capacity to accept more than 15 rounds

Why not say "assault rifles" then?

[edhopper]

20. And they are not buying those

and again, do not support the NRA

You are being disingenuous. And I am done here.

[yagotme]

23. Where did I say "Support The NRA"?

I'm supporting US citizens the right to lawfully purchase firearms in accordance with the 2d Amendment. Just like I support others to have opposing viewpoints to mine, per the 1st Amendment. And, I haven't seen any cites anywhere in this thread on exactly WHAT the Jews are buying. All I have seen so far is "The Jews are packing", and "They are buying handguns". Nothing specific. So, if you're truly done, perhaps others can read this thread, and come to their own conclusion.

ETA: Post #14 states a news source, no linky.

[Straw Man]

29. See my post below.

they are buying handguns

Six to twelve-month wait for a handgun permit in NY State, and then they won't be able to carry it anywhere except home, their own vehicle, or a public street/highway.

[yardwork]

17. What states are those?

[yagotme]

22. One I snipped from is the new IL one.

Have to check on others, CA and NY come to mind as candidates.

[Straw Man]

26. Reality check.

I doubt any of the Jewish people

who are buying guns because of the reasonable fear they now have, are opposed to any proposed gun laws.

So no, the NRA has no new customers.

If said Jewish people live in New York, which quite a few of them do, then they face a wait time of six to twelve months for a handgun permit. They will also need a permit for a semi-automatic rifle -- any semi-automatic rifle. "Assault rifles" per se are banned in NY State.

Deer rifles and pump shotguns are available with a simple background check, but they are sub-optimal for self-defense, and certainly can't be carried.

Additionally, even when they receive their new pistol permits, they will be barred from carrying their pistols anywhere except at home, on a public street, or in their personal vehicles, unless and until the courts rule that the new "Concealed Carry Improvement Act" is unconstitutional.

I think some prospective new gun owners in NY are in for a rude shock.

[happy feet]

9. Evidence?

[MOMFUDSKI]

14. Story on MSNBC about a gun-training place

tripling their customers that just bought a gun for their own protection. Group of Jewish people that never had a gun until now. Said they never expected to own a gun but the antisemitism in the US has scared them.

[LexVegas]

16. Most gun owners are not members of the NRA. nt

[LightBright]

18. Historically they have had some of the lowest gun ownership numbers.

They also have their own "NRA" in the US.

https://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/about.htm

Here is that groups founder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_S._Zelman

[MistakenLamb]

21. there are liberal gun orgs too

[SickOfTheOnePct]

24. Maybe it's just me

And if so, that’s fine…but there is just something about using “The Jews” v “Jews” or “Jewish people”

It’s cringey to me

Again, maybe it’s just me.

[TheRealNorth]

27. This is something I have thought about too

I don't know if "the Jews" is akin to saying something like "the Blacks" or not. Look forward to what Jewish folks here on DU have to say about it.

[TheRealNorth]

25. Can't say I don't blame them.