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Zmarmy

(34 posts)
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 10:42 AM Nov 2023

Biden leads Trump by 7+ in national matchup (Susquehanna)

Let’s see what the media excuse will be to ignore this one.
There was extensive coverage of a Washington Post /ABC outlier that found Trump ahead by 10% last month or so.

So let’s be fair and spread this one too:

POTUS Matchup: Biden Leads Trump and the Kennedy “Spoiler” Effect
In a hypothetical match up between President Biden and former President Donald J. Trump, Biden leads Trump by a
47:40 margin; 6% prefer “GOP-friendly” candidate Robert Kennedy, Jr. who announced his intention to run as an
Independent, while 3% prefer another candidate. Four (4) percent are undecided. Kennedy appears to be pulling
critical support from Republicans that would presumably go to D. Trump. Among Republicans, Trump leads Biden 74:16,
but 6% of GOP voters prefer Kennedy, Jr. Among Democrats, Biden leads Trump 82:12 with only 2% of Democrats
voting for Kennedy, Jr. Independent polls show Kennedy is more popular with Republican voters [than Democrats] due
to his fervent anti-vaccine rhetoric and his support for GOP-friendly policies on COVID-19, including public criticism of
former NIAID Director Anthony Fauci and the CDC. Among Independents and unaffiliated voters, Biden leads Trump
43:31 with 10% going to Kennedy, Jr.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/20231103_US_Susquehanna.pdf
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Biden leads Trump by 7+ in national matchup (Susquehanna) (Original Post) Zmarmy Nov 2023 OP
"GOP-friendly" TwilightZone Nov 2023 #1
The thing is TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #4
RFK Jr was always more likely to draw Rs this cycle TwilightZone Nov 2023 #6
Poll rso Nov 2023 #2
Biden is leading... TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #5
Don't believe any polls . JI7 Nov 2023 #3
Poll rso Nov 2023 #7
Exactly. Which is why the DNC has some states as high priority. LiberalFighter Nov 2023 #14
The main problem is that a national poll doesn't reflect electoral college reality. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2023 #8
Clearly this is good news for Donald Trump gratuitous Nov 2023 #9
I get a kick out of people decrying polls they don't like saying polls aren't reliable ripcord Nov 2023 #10
I have to wonder whether Israel is affecting the race. Qutzupalotl Nov 2023 #11
DON'T SAY THAT usonian Nov 2023 #12
The pollster (Susquehanna) is rated B+ by 538 johnnyplankton Nov 2023 #13
Robert Kennedy Smooth155 Nov 2023 #15
YAY!!!! Sogo Nov 2023 #16
TOO EARLY! elleng Nov 2023 #17
nope. only polls that show drumpf winning are worthy of national attention Takket Nov 2023 #18
National polls are meaningless. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2023 #19

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
4. The thing is
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 11:02 AM
Nov 2023

Biden's lead grew with the inclusion of RFK in that poll if I remember correctly. I saw a clip by David Pakman where he covered the poll. The Biden-Trump head-to-head was Biden +1, with a lot of undecideds. With the the inclusion of Cornell West and RFK, it was also Biden +1.

Of course, it's only one poll and it doesn't mean things will stay that way.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
6. RFK Jr was always more likely to draw Rs this cycle
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 11:14 AM
Nov 2023

That's why I haven't been too concerned about his candidacy. There's little evidence that Democrats are going to be drawn by his stances on the issues. The only question was if people would pay enough attention to learn what his stances actually are and look beyond his family legacy.

I think as more people learn more about him, his support is going to drop into the low single digits, with that being almost entirely drawn from anti-Trump Rs and some right-leaning independents.

rso

(2,673 posts)
2. Poll
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 11:00 AM
Nov 2023

Bet the msm will not run this extensively like they do with any poll favorable to Donnie.

rso

(2,673 posts)
7. Poll
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 11:19 AM
Nov 2023

Agree, especially National polls which are not very pertinent given our EC system.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
8. The main problem is that a national poll doesn't reflect electoral college reality.
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 11:20 AM
Nov 2023

It's going to be close because of the traditional swing states.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
10. I get a kick out of people decrying polls they don't like saying polls aren't reliable
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 11:24 AM
Nov 2023

But when a poll supports their position they rush to post it.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
11. I have to wonder whether Israel is affecting the race.
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 11:48 AM
Nov 2023

The thought of an unstable person in the presidency in this light must be giving people pause.

Takket

(23,715 posts)
18. nope. only polls that show drumpf winning are worthy of national attention
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 01:26 PM
Nov 2023

because the media knows those freak people out and help them drive clicks.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,989 posts)
19. National polls are meaningless.
Fri Nov 3, 2023, 03:08 PM
Nov 2023

Because of the antiquated Electoral College, only the battleground state polls matter.

And even then, who knows? You can’t really trust any poll.

Always campaign as if you’re down by ten.

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