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President Barack Obama on the violence in Gaza. Full interview out Tuesday. (Original Post) demmiblue Nov 2023 OP
He is absolutely right! claudette Nov 2023 #1
Hamas isn't firing SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #4
I don't know claudette Nov 2023 #6
I'm assuming that you're joking n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #7
No, I'm not joking claudette Nov 2023 #13
Hamas has fired more SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #14
plenty of rockets launched at Israel in the past few hours rollin74 Nov 2023 #9
Hamas continues to hold over 240 hostages... Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #2
And claudette Nov 2023 #5
Hamas could release them right now. Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #8
So, you honestly believe claudette Nov 2023 #11
I think Israel SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #16
Let me put it this way... Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #17
I am very sorry claudette Mossfern Nov 2023 #15
The "Thinking Mans President"... best POTUS EVER. WarGamer Nov 2023 #3
Nobody's hands are clean malaise Nov 2023 #10
Me, too claudette Nov 2023 #12
 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
1. He is absolutely right!
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 04:34 PM
Nov 2023

He expresses it a heck of a lot better than I do, but that is exactly what I think! Both are true. What Hamas did on 10/7 was horrific, and the occupation and suffering of Palestinians in Gaza are unbearable.

Besides, Hamas is now fighting the Israeli military and NOT killing or attacking civilians the way the Israeli government is.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
13. No, I'm not joking
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:02 PM
Nov 2023

I haven't heard of any casualties. Is Iran supplying them with the same deadly weapons that we are supplying to the Israeli government to attack and kill thousands in Gaza?

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
14. Hamas has fired more
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:08 PM
Nov 2023

than 8000 rockets & missiles into Israel since Oct 7, and more than 250, 000 Israelis have evacuated away from borders. How many are killed by the attacks isn’t really relevant - what’s relevant is that Hamas continues to attack Israel, yet some people are calling for what amounts to a unilateral ceasefire.

And am I understanding you correctly with the regards to the missiles used by Hamas? Are you actually implying that it’s not a fair fight? I seem to recall that you made a similar statement previously.

Happy Hoosier

(9,622 posts)
2. Hamas continues to hold over 240 hostages...
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 04:43 PM
Nov 2023

Most of them civilians and some of them children. They continue to commit their crime.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
5. And
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 04:52 PM
Nov 2023

Nuttyahoo refuses to allow a ceasefire to get them out. He continues to put them in danger because he won't trade them for the 1000's of Palestinians held in Israel.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435

"....JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel is holding over 1,200 detainees — nearly all of them Palestinians — without charge or trial, the highest number in over three decades, an Israeli human rights group said Tuesday.

The detainees, 99% of whom are Palestinians, are held under Israel’s policy of “administrative detention,” without trial and under allegations that Israeli authorities keep secret.

The detentions can range from a few months to years — and authorities often extend them for unknown reasons, according to Jessica Montell, the executive director of Hamoked, the rights group that published the figures.

Hamoked said this makes it nearly impossible for detainees or their lawyers to mount a proper defense.

“The overall figure is outrageous,” Montell said. “This is a patently illegal practice. These people should be given a fair trial or released.”

Israeli authorities can renew administrative detentions indefinitely. While detention orders are usually set for periods of three or six months, Montell said administrative detainees in Israel spend a year in detention on average.

Israel says the controversial tactic is necessary to contain dangerous militants and avoid divulging incriminating material for security reasons. But Palestinians and rights groups say the system denies due process and is widely abused...."

Happy Hoosier

(9,622 posts)
8. Hamas could release them right now.
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 04:55 PM
Nov 2023

They don’t need a cease fire to do it, and doing so would add support to calls for a ceasefire.

There should be no ceasefire without an explicit commitment to an an immediate release of those hostages.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
11. So, you honestly believe
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 04:59 PM
Nov 2023

the Israeli government will stop bombing Gaza if the hostages are released?

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
16. I think Israel
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:11 PM
Nov 2023

would stop bombing long enough to get the hostages out, but that’s only part of the equation.

If Hamas wants the bombing to stop, they need to release the hostages and surrender.

Happy Hoosier

(9,622 posts)
17. Let me put it this way...
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:11 PM
Nov 2023

They won’t stop if they aren’t released. And holding the civilian hostages is despicable. Hamas has no moral leg to stand on. They do not give a shit about civilians, Palestinian or Israeli. It’s all blood sacrificed to their blood-soaked cause.

Mossfern

(4,774 posts)
15. I am very sorry claudette
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:10 PM
Nov 2023

but as long as you insist in the immature misspelling of Netanyahu, I cannot take anything you say seriously.
This is a very complicated and grave issue, and the silly use of "nicknames" adds no gravitas to your assertions. If you want to be taken seriously, then please speak like an adult. You may have some very valid points, but they are lost in perceived naivety and immaturity.

This is a life or death issue.

malaise

(297,936 posts)
10. Nobody's hands are clean
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 04:58 PM
Nov 2023

Admit the whole truth

Looking forward to the full interview

Thanks

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
12. Me, too
Sat Nov 4, 2023, 05:00 PM
Nov 2023

When he speaks, it makes me feel less afraid of what this country is becoming. I wish he could run for a third term! LOL! I ❤️ him!

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