If Trump wins, more voters foresee better finances, staying out of war -- CBS News poll

[brooklynite]

Americans have long described financial setbacks because of inflation and interest rates. Those who feel they're worse off financially are backing Trump. And this isn't just punitive toward Mr. Biden — those voters overwhelmingly think they will be financially better off if Trump wins.

And voters continue to believe the wealthy are favored over the middle and working class in America today, and Mr. Biden has not persuaded them this would change during a second term, nor does he have any meaningful advantage over Trump in being seen as helping the middle and working class.

As foreign policy dominates the news, it isn't the central vote driver here (it rarely is in presidential politics) but then again, it isn't helping Mr. Biden either:

It's Trump more than Mr. Biden who is more widely viewed as decreasing the chance of the U.S. being in a war, and also more seen as able to increase peace and stability in the world. These are tough numbers for a president trying to inspire confidence in a time of international crisis.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-vs-biden-poll-2024-presidential-election-year-out/

[Demobrat]

1. It's like Covid never happened.

Trump let hundreds of thousands of people suffer and die rather than admit the pandemic was even happening. And people are fine with that.

[brooklynite]

3. I don't think COVID has anything to do with it.

I'll observe that folks here complained about establishment Democrats engaging in "endless wars". No reason to think other voters wouldn't feel the same.

[Demobrat]

25. It doesn't. But it should.

[thucythucy]

26. Who was it who invaded Iraq

looking for "weapons of mass destruction?"

Talk about an "endless war."

And are these the same folks who howled when President Biden pulled us out of Afghanistan? Another "endless war" started by Republicans?

The lack of valid information out there about history and politics is astounding, and depresses me no end.

One example: the other day I ran into someone who seriously didn't know which side the Germans were on during World War II. Also didn't know what years the war was fought. Had a vague notion that there was something called D-Day, but only because she'd heard from some friends about "Saving Private Ryan."

For decades the GOP has been on the rampage against public education in all its forms. As Trump told us, they "love uneducated voters."

[FHRRK]

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[Silent Type]

8. We barely beat the POS while Covid was still going on. Now, economy and war are issues.

I think Biden is handling both very well. But I can see how some might think the economy sucks and we are mired in two wars, with China a growing concern.

People really do have a short memory. The fact he has more than 10% support is appalling.

What’s worse is that there’s a chance trump might not be the GOPer nominee. A new comer, won’t have that trump baggage.

Still think Biden will prevail, but I’m getting my Xanax refilled.

[Wingus Dingus]

18. We aren't mired in any war.

This is our problem--even people here on DU read the news about a war, and think WE'RE IN IT.

[Silent Type]

35. I appreciate your opinion. Mine is different.

[Wingus Dingus]

37. Whether or not we are fighting a war is not a matter of opinion.

It's not "your truth" vs. "my truth". We have not declared war. We are not fighting a war. Our military is not fighting a war. Our troops aren't mobilizing and training and shipping out to fight another nation's military.

[Silent Type]

39. Sorry, if we are increasing our military budget significantly to fund arms, hurting other programs, we are at war.

Don't care how you try to rationalize it or define it.

Besides you don't have to convince me, I'm voting for Biden. Independent voters likely won't appreciate arguing nomenclature.

[Wingus Dingus]

40. That's not war--that's money being spent in ways you don't like.

[Silent Type]

43. Tell it to typical voter who has seen enough war. If military situation is like this next year, it will be an issue.

[Wingus Dingus]

46. What situation is our military in?

[Silent Type]

48. Was trying to avoid word "war(s)" which seems to upset you. Voters don't like uncertainty,

again trying to avoid word “war.”

[Wingus Dingus]

49. I'm not upset, just genuinely baffled. Either way, no hard feelings, just friendly disagreement.

Have a good night.

[Silent Type]

50. I'm baffled too.

[brush]

83. Since you're voting for Biden pls stop repeating republican talking points...

as they may cause some voters to stay home on election day because they'll thing "what's the use", trump is going to win.

And as far as backing Ukraine in a war, It's been this nation's leadership of our allies to help western democracies survive since we took on that most important role since helping to defeat the axis powers in WWll. As a US citizen I'm proud of that and glad Biden has taken on that respondibility that has long been the role of the US president.

[womanofthehills]

60. My friends 20 yr old son who is in the army

Called his mom from plane yesterday - “Mom - we are being flown somewhere- we don’t know where - they won’t tell us.” She is beyond freaked out.

My take - they are sending troops to protect our bases.

We are very involved in two wars when we are supplying most all the weapons.

[GP6971]

64. Welcome to DU!!

[Lucky Luciano]

68. The term is "proxy war," but you knew that.

[edisdead]

66. Your opinion is wrong

Biden got us OUT of a war.

[DemocraticPatriot]

74. As usual, Democrats get the blame when things go wrong,

and Republican Nazis get the credit when things go right....

usually right after Democrats cleaned up the GQP mess---

but it takes one or two years for political policies to effect the economy....


(THANK YOU, "LIBERAL MAINSTREAM MEDIA", who are desperately trying to prove that they don't favor Democrats, but completely ignore the nazi-ward slide of the GQP at this time...)

[Zmarmy]

2. The problem is voters. They think we're at war

We’re not at war with any country.
And voters are too gullible to realize that Trump will send tons of money to Israel the same as Biden.

[Wingus Dingus]

4. Of course! Trump letting Putin have his brutal way in the world while the US stands on the sidelines

losing influence will surely lead to a lasting world peace. Good thinking, average voter!

[Blue Owl]

5. What fresh fucking hell is this now?

Oh looky — more fabricated, fuckery-framed polls!

[lees1975]

6. Once again, Democrats are not in control of the narrative and aren't getting out their message.

That's what this poll, if it is accurate, is saying.

It's also saying that traditional media sources are no longer reaching as many voters as they once did. People respond to polls with replies that contradict reality.

So here is a wake up call to the Democratic party, and to those who are putting together Biden's re-election campaign. No delay. This has to be dealt with effectively, or we are going to lose the country.

[brooklynite]

10. The Biden campaign has told me that traditional media are no longer the places where people get their news...

It's digital platforms, primarily news platforms and apps chosen by the user.

[Poiuyt]

79. Well the Biden campaign better figure out REAL fast how to reach these people

[KPN]

52. Well, who owns the media? What else would you expect?

For whatever reason, self-interest driven manipulators aren’t attracted to the Democratic Party. Well, the reason is actually pretty clear : self-interest … above all else always.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

86. Why do people always blame Democrats for

'not getting the message out' or 'controlling the narrative?'

The can only get the message out if they're giving the platform to do that. Good luck on that with the traitor media.

I've actually been there when they refused to cover my Democratic reps when they had things to say about events and issues. I've seen them *willfully* walk right by them to talk to a traitor thug. I don't know of a single Democrat who isn't available to go on any show to talk about issues of current events. I don't know a single one who doesn't put out Tweets and Facebook posts and press releases about those things.

Have you even bothered to look at how they *do* try to engage with the public--only for our traitor SCUM media to ignore them over and over and over and over and over and over and over again? Because I've seen that play out every bloody day for decades now.

And yet Democrats persist, because, if they get very very very very lucky, maybe they'll get a short blurb in a meaningless print article or five seconds of mention on the idiot box.

While their traitorous fascist colleagues across the aisle get whole column inches and entire shows to spew their anti-American venom.

[betsuni]

87. +1

[Farmer-Rick]

7. There are some very stupid people in that poll

Past performance is an indicator of future performance.....

Trump hugely increased the budget deficit. He gave away billions in tax cuts and forgiven PPP loans to the filthy-rich. And everyone was out of work during COVID. Our finances were horrible because we couldn't work. Thanks to Trump's stupidity.

There was so much instability in the world with his stupid and deadly COVID response. Millions of Americans died thanks to him pretending COVID was no big deal and pretending masks were of no use. He killed more Americans by ignoring COVID than died on W's watch with 9/11 and Katrina put together.

Trump would start a war in a heartbeat if Putin tells him to. Anyone who doubts that is a cult follower.

That poll has over a 4.4 to 4.8 percentage point margin of error. That is not a good poll.

[anciano]

9. Interesting numbers 🤔...

but two thoughts here. First, the election is still a year away, and in politics that can be an eternity. Secondly, the only "poll" that ever matters is the one on election day (eg Harry Truman).

[brooklynite]

12. "I'll take cliches for $100...."

Yes, the election is a year away. But how people feel NOW is an indicator of how they MAY choose to vote, and is worth knowing to plan how to respond.

[anciano]

17. Have a nice evening 😊

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. No weighting for party affiliation, only past vote

I’ve seen this in many recent polls, and it smells fishy to me.

It would seem to leave out first time young voters,

[peachpit24]

13. Polls

People complained when Biden got us out of Afghanistan, now complaining we are supporting Ukraine and Israel. We are not in a war. So far no combat soldiers. We're a country of complainers.

[Rizen]

14. People are dumb as shit.

[Wingus Dingus]

20. This post--

elegant in its simplicity and truth.

[betsuni]

57. Yes.

[sakabatou]

15. Sample size: 2,636

[former9thward]

29. Which is an excellent number for a statistical national sample.

Actually higher than most. Polls use scientific statistical formulas to determine sample sizes.

[brooklynite]

31. Too many people seem to feel "if I wasn't surveyed, it can't be accurate"

[T_A]

16. How?

those voters overwhelmingly think they will be financially better off if Trump wins

What planet are they living on?

During Donnie's term, GDP was slower, job growth was not only slower, it was the worst of any modern presidential term BEFORE the pandemic.

Not to mention that just as Donnie drove his casinos, hotels, and his airline into the dirt, he drove the national economy into the dirt PRIOR to the pandemic, before anyone ever heard of Covid-19.

Who with a sound mind would want to return to that?

[Polybius]

22. Because of Covid

The people in this poll are likely giving a Covid exception, as growth obviously was bound to slow down with a global pandemic. Pre-Covid, he got very high marks on economic issues, even though the boom was the result of Obama.

[betsuni]

58. National religious-like myth that Republicans are better for the economy, has nothing to do with reality.

Delusional.

[Initech]

19. Better finances? What are they smoking?

These are the people who vote for the people that have been making our lives miserable economically day in and day out for the last 45 years . And it's all because of partisan rhetoric and religious bullshit.

[Polybius]

24. Many people's finances were better from 2017 to early 2020

Mine, in fact, were far better. However, I believe they were better as a result of Obama's policies, and got worse because of the dumb things we did during Covid. The average voter doesn't think like that.

[Initech]

32. I think that right wing brainwashing has a lot to do with it.

Like if inflation were high under Trump, you can bet that Fox News would have been blaming Obama 24 hours a day. But because it's happening under Biden, they get to blame him directly 24 hours a day. Right wing propaganda is out of control in this country.

[vercetti2021]

21. Crack is whack

These people obviously took a hard bump if they believe Trump wouldn't start WW3 or would help their fucking bank accounts

[kimbutgar]

23. Sorry this is a bs poll to make people think differently

You minorities are gong to vote for the guy who has raised racism in this country to new levels! . The party that wants to do away with social security and Medicare and guns, guns everywhere. And screw the environment profits mean more than destroying our environment,


I don’t think so.

[sheshe2]

81. Thank you!

[DFW]

27. Gotta ask where and by whom at CBS?

Where was this poll taken? Pocatello? Enid? Harper‘s Ferry?

I was in the USA last summer, eastern MA, western PA, northern TX, and parts of VA, as well as DC, and didn‘t meet ONE person who would have checked off the red boxes in those polls, including die-hard Republicans.

I know they‘re out there, don‘t get me wrong, But I remain skeptical that Trump enjoys those kinds of numbers.

[BannonsLiver]

51. Props for the Enid reference.

[oldsoftie]

28. Once agin, MOST voters are NOT like DU members. This shows that.

They dont pay a lot of attention to the news.
They dont follow trumps numerous scandals

And they will vote based on how they're doing and how things look. Gas prices, the border; both are HUGE issues.
Then there are the ones we're not allowed to talk about.

And also once again, I want to see polls in the battleground states. The only polls that matter.

[The_Casual_Observer]

30. Trump makes promises about this shit. Nobody else

Including Biden wants to lie. That's the difference.
The public: " I know you are blowing cool smoke up my ass but it feels good!"

Trump knows this.

[elleng]

33. 'more voters' is idiots.

[ColinC]

34. Biden is going to have to make some dramatic shifts in strategy it seems

If this one poll is correct. And if he doesn’t -and this one poll is correct, he may need to heed the suggestions of some higher profile political pundits.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

36. "MR. Biden"?

Nope. Not biased at all.

[budkin]

38. More bullshit polling

That’s a lot of bullshit for one day!

[EnergizedLib]

41. Do not believe the polls

Who remembers the red wave polls in 2022 and people screaming red wave?

Trump showed in 2020 he cannot handle a crisis, given his awful COVID response.

Furthermore, he showed not only can he not handle a crisis, he can create a crisis with the 2020 election denial and trying to overturn democracy.

That's far worse than if the economy is not-so-ideal.

Furthermore, we have no boots on the ground in Ukraine or in the Middle East. I'd say President Biden's support of Ukraine is preventing Putin from worse atrocities.

[LeftInTX]

42. They figure Trump will drop an atomic bomb on Gaza and it will be over.

[Takket]

44. excuse me, i wish i could be a little more intellectual in what i'm about to say but...

WHAT THE FUCK????????????????????

Does anyone in this fucking country pay attention to ANYTHING???????????????? Even if you don't like Biden, FINE, almost NOBODY actually likes and politicians, but how in the name of FUCK can ANYONE thing drumpf is the solution to any of their problems???????????

I'll admit, polls this early are really silly, no one is really paying attention yet but....... i'd at least hope for a lot more "i don't know" answers than drumpf. i would love to sit down with any of these people and ask them if it is the crack or the meth that makes them think this way

[betsuni]

59. WTF is right.

[kelly1mm]

45. The last graphic is scary and deserves more analysis and thought. Less than 30%

of AA and less than 20% of Hispanics think President Biden's policies will make them better off financially? Even scarier is that 45%, AGAIN 45%, of Hispanics think President Bidens policies will make them WORSE off?!?

So much for (at least the perception of) Bidenomics .....

[FarPoint]

47. Such a load of crap....

[Prairie Gates]

53. It's always nice to see people enjoying themselves

[Hotler]

54. I don't see peace and prosperity coming from the hand of a fascist dictator.

I see the death of Democracy, the suspending of the Constitution, protest outlawed and put down by force, martial law declared, world markets tank, food and gas shortages, political enemy's arrested.

[keithbvadu2]

55. Better finances?

Better finances?

Trump lost around 40 million jobs (got some back).
Wound up with a negative jobs record, first Prez in many terms to have net jobs loss overall.

His financial gain was due to debt, not good governance or policies.

[Celerity]

70. proof of that 40m claim (although his net loss over 4 years was 2.9m)

US job losses pass 40m as coronavirus crisis sees claims rise 2.1m in a week

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/28/us-job-losses-unemployment-coronavirus

Trump’s Final Numbers

Statistical indicators of President Trump's four years in office.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/

The statistics for the entirety of Donald Trump’s time in office are nearly all compiled. As we did for his predecessor four years ago, we present a final look at the numbers.

The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.

Paychecks grew faster than inflation. Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 8.7% after inflation.

After-tax corporate profits went up, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 67.8%.

The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.

The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.

The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.

Home prices rose 27.5%, and the homeownership rate increased 2.1 percentage points to 65.8%.

Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.

Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 16.7%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.5%.

Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.

The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.

Trump filled one-third of the Supreme Court, nearly 30% of the appellate court seats and a quarter of District Court seats.

[walkingman]

56. I refuse to believe Americans are that dumb.

[sheshe2]

62. It is sad that you would even post this article and polling.

C effing BS can’t even get President Joe Biden’s title correct. Throughout the article they called him Mr Biden. Mr Biden! I call bs to the article and bs to the poll. Why are you doing this? It is almost as if you……….never mind.

Just stop! He is President Joseph Biden and he deserves respect for the office he holds.

[peggysue2]

71. Thank you, sheshe!

[sheshe2]

73. Back at you, Peggy sue.

[peggysue2]

75. I'm with you, sister!

Hang tough!

[Ligyron]

85. Thank you!

There’s no way.
The last election but a few weeks ago doesn’t validate any of this.

Women are pissed as are more than a few men and everywhere anti-abortion was on the ballot, it went down in flames.

With some clever framing, this issue alone is about all that’s needed to sink the GQP this next go round.

[IAmReynaldo]

65. Economic Concerns

There have been a lot of interesting changes that we need to observe, and I hope that the financial situation improves, but I don't foresee significant changes. Curious to see how these dynamics evolve as the election approaches. Thanks for sharing!

[DemocraticPatriot]

67. Supposedly American voters have a "short memory"-- but they seem

to be remembering 2019 but have forgotten 2020...
and the economy wasn't all that great in 2019, but it wasn't 2020....

[Joinfortmill]

69. It's the Twilight Zone.

[lees1975]

72. I have to ask

what planet these people have been living on?

Or what country has been interfering with the polls. And that's probably the best question to ask.

[DemocraticPatriot]

76. THANK YOU for bringing more bad news to us,

regardless of the flawed logic therein.....

[sheshe2]

82. 👍🥲😛😛

[JT45242]

77. Omfg voters in these polls are moronic

A republican hasn't made things better for the middle class since Eisenhower...

The trump era tax cuts are hurting middle and lower class to help the top 5%.

This is of course, one reason that rethugs wanted to not have social studies as part of No child left behind, they need uneducated voters to vote against their own economic self interest.

[EarthFirst]

78. Right. Operating TFG's immigration Gestapo won't cost the federal government billions...

…meanwhile there certainly will be no economic impact to consumer prices on consumable items.

The racist xenophobia is strong with these numbers…

[brush]

80. A lot of idiocy out there. Guess the trump supporters forgot...

how he botched the covid pandemic response, which is why many were out of work for long periods and inflation set in during the long recovery.

They also seem to forget Biden's jobs gains has unemployment at it's lowest in 50 years

And there is trump's bragging about finally getting Roe v Wade killed. Did they ask any women about that? Did they see the election results earlier this week, or the failures of every attempt by magats to defeat pro-abortion bills in every state they dared putting it on the ballot.

Polls can be manipulated by pollsters to get the results their clients want. Who do they think they're fooling?

[Qutzupalotl]

84. They should've asked about the likelihood of ending up

in a fascist reeducation camp. Wonder how that would go.

[FloridaBlues]

88. There is hundreds of right wing news, radio,podcast and tv than

Liberal or mainstream media out there. That feeds them lies and misinformation. Hard to break through.

[Emile]

89. As soon as Trump started talking about tariffs I

started losing money. His handling of COVID didn't help either. I don't fucking get why people think he is better than President Biden on the economy.

[honest.abe]

90. Good grief. This is so backward and wrong.

We have to do something to change this mindset or Trump is going to win this thing.