Atheism and anarchy didn't kill Jesus, Mike Johnson

[orangecrush]

People like you did.


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[calimary]

1. BOOM!!!

[everyonematters]

2. That's called religious Tierany.

[lame54]

3. I thought it was a good thing Jesus was killed...

Isn't that the whole point?

[Mosby]

5. I don't understand that either.

Didn't Jesus "die" so people could be free of sin? But he didn't really die.

[spike jones]

6. That is correct, and Judas paid a great price for doing God's will. n/t

[Warpy]

8. If he was a god, it was suicide by cop

If he was a man, it was what the bluenoses always try to do to the rest of us who don't quite fit their narrow and pinched idea of what other people should be like so the bluenoses won't be tempted to sin by the rest of us.

In any case, the Romans did the actual deed because they were sick of constantly dealing with the bluenoses and their complaints about the guy.

None of it made any sense at all to me and I was deeply unimpressed by the "it's a mystery, you need to have faith" argument of last resort. So I left.

[patphil]

4. We have far too many people on this planet that have decided that their will IS God's will.

And so they can do whatever they want to whomever they want.

[Chainfire]

7. When people believe they know things that they really don't they become a danger to us all.

[NowISeetheLight]

9. Quote

Beware those who can not tell God's will from their own

That pretty much sums up the whole Christian Taliban RepubQcan Nationalist party

[KS Toronado]

10. Beware of those who claim God talked to them on their cell-phone.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

13. It describes a lot more than that

Before those people existed, Susan B Anthony made this observation:

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

11. Fundamentalist Christians tend to ignore these facts.

It's about as bad as saying the Roman Empire fell because of immorality. Christianity had become the state religion by the time the (western) Roman Empire fell.

[EX500rider]

12. "Atheism and anarchy didn't kill Jesus"

No, the Religio Romana and Roman Centurions killed him. Actual cause of death I assume would be from blood loss.

[orangecrush]

14. I think

Perhaps you missed the spirit of the op, but point (not of spear) taken!

[Model35mech]

15. Are you saying Caiaphus was a Religio Romana?

I thought he was a High Priest for the Temple in Jerusalem

[EX500rider]

16. Well Joseph ben Caiaphas was the Jewish high priest during the years of Jesus' ministry,

...and presided over the Sanhedrin trial of Jesus.
(the accusations: violating the Sabbath law (by healing on the Sabbath); threatening to destroy the Jewish Temple; practicing sorcery, exorcising people by the power of demons; and claiming to be the Messiah)

But prior to the trial before Pontius Pilate.

[localroger]

17. Yes, while the Crucifiction was staged by soldiers and functionaries of the Roman state...

...in Jesus' case they were doing it largely as a courtesy to the local officials under aegis of their own (in this case mostly religious) laws. This is why the Jews rather than the Romans got the blame for being Christ-killers.

[Act_of_Reparation]

20. Yeah, this comes with a big asterix.

That's the story as told by the later Gospels.

The reality of the matter is there two major Jewish revolts against the Roman Empire in the first and second centuries, and the early Christians kinda sorta sided with Rome.

[yagotme]

18. The act of crucifixion denies the body the ability to breathe properly.

Being suspended, with your arms out, and your feet nailed to the post, it doesn't allow the body to take a deep breath. You have to lift yourself up slightly to breathe, and after awhile, you tire, and you get less and less air, until you pass out, and die of asphyxiation. The breaking of the legs (on the other 2) was to speed up the process, because of the strange events that were occurring. The spear was to ensure death had occurred. Or so I've been told in the past.

[Martin Eden]

19. Great Quote

The only things that separate Mike Johnson and his ilk from the Taliban in Afghanistan are wealth and privilege.

Don't doubt they will use violence to enforce their rule if they sieze enough power.