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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYouTube cares less for your privacy than its revenues
YouTube wants its pound of flesh. Disable your ad blocker or pay for Premium, warns a new message being shown to an unsuspecting test audience, with the barely hidden subtext of "you freeloading scum." Trouble is, its ad blocker detecting mechanism doesn't exactly comply with EU law, say privacy activists. Ask for user permission or taste regulatory boot. All good clean fun.
Only it isn't. It's profoundly depressing. The battleground between ad tech and ad blockers has been around so long that in the internet's time span it's practically medieval. In 2010, Ars Technica started blocking ad blockers; in under a day, the ad blocker blocker was itself blocked by the ad blockers. The editor then wrote an impassioned plea saying that ad blockers were killing online journalism. As the editor ruefully notes, people weren't using blockers because they didn't care about the good sites, it was because so much else of the internet was filled with ad tech horrors.
Nothing much has changed. If your search hit ends up with an "ERROR: Ad blocker detected. Disable it to access this content" then it's browser back button and next hit down, all day, every day. It's like running an app that asks you to disable your firewall; that app is never run again. Please disable my ad blocker? Sure, if you stop pushing turds through my digital letterbox.
The reason YouTube has been dabbling with its own "Unblock Or Eff Off" strategy instead of bringing down the universal banhammer is that it knows how much it will upset the balance of the ecosystem. That it's had to pry deep enough into viewers' browsers to trigger privacy laws shows just how delicate that balance is. It's unstable because it's built on bad ideas.
In that ecosystem of advertisers, content consumers, ad networks, and content distributors, ad blockers aren't the disease, they're the symptom. Trying to neutralize a symptom alone leaves the disease thriving while the host just gets sicker. In this case, the disease isn't cynical freeloading by users, it's the basic dishonesty of online advertising. It promises things to advertisers that it cannot deliver, while blocking better ways of working. It promises revenue to content providers while keeping them teetering on the brink of unviability, while maximizing its own returns. Google has revenues in the hundreds of billions of dollars, while publishers struggle to survive, and users have to wear a metaphorical hazmat suit to stay sane. None of this is healthy.
Only it isn't. It's profoundly depressing. The battleground between ad tech and ad blockers has been around so long that in the internet's time span it's practically medieval. In 2010, Ars Technica started blocking ad blockers; in under a day, the ad blocker blocker was itself blocked by the ad blockers. The editor then wrote an impassioned plea saying that ad blockers were killing online journalism. As the editor ruefully notes, people weren't using blockers because they didn't care about the good sites, it was because so much else of the internet was filled with ad tech horrors.
Nothing much has changed. If your search hit ends up with an "ERROR: Ad blocker detected. Disable it to access this content" then it's browser back button and next hit down, all day, every day. It's like running an app that asks you to disable your firewall; that app is never run again. Please disable my ad blocker? Sure, if you stop pushing turds through my digital letterbox.
The reason YouTube has been dabbling with its own "Unblock Or Eff Off" strategy instead of bringing down the universal banhammer is that it knows how much it will upset the balance of the ecosystem. That it's had to pry deep enough into viewers' browsers to trigger privacy laws shows just how delicate that balance is. It's unstable because it's built on bad ideas.
In that ecosystem of advertisers, content consumers, ad networks, and content distributors, ad blockers aren't the disease, they're the symptom. Trying to neutralize a symptom alone leaves the disease thriving while the host just gets sicker. In this case, the disease isn't cynical freeloading by users, it's the basic dishonesty of online advertising. It promises things to advertisers that it cannot deliver, while blocking better ways of working. It promises revenue to content providers while keeping them teetering on the brink of unviability, while maximizing its own returns. Google has revenues in the hundreds of billions of dollars, while publishers struggle to survive, and users have to wear a metaphorical hazmat suit to stay sane. None of this is healthy.
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YouTube cares less for your privacy than its revenues (Original Post)
justaprogressive
Nov 2023
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50 Shades Of Blue
(11,503 posts)1. One word. Ghostery.
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brooklynite
(96,882 posts)2. If you don't like YouTube you should demand your money back.....
I pay nothing to look at YouTube (n : part of Google) and dont object to ads.
YouTube provides a useful service. We must pay for that in some form. Being "forced" to watch ads is a very small price to pay.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)4. This is
surprising how?
TxGuitar
(4,360 posts)6. That's what I was thinking
Why would anyone think otherwise?
usonian
(26,593 posts)7. This is a hot topic.
https://www.androidauthority.com/youtube-ad-block-installs-3382289/
YouTube's plan backfires, people are installing better ad blockers
People are scrambling to find a better ad blocking alternative.
Tons of discussion, mostly technical, at Hacker News. And lots of workarounds.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38137917
This sums it up for me:
WTF. Same with news subscriptions. Pay and you still get ads.
YouTube's plan backfires, people are installing better ad blockers
People are scrambling to find a better ad blocking alternative.
TL;DR
YouTubes crackdown on ad blockers is causing users to uninstall the software in record numbers.
However, an even higher number of users are instead turning to better ad blockers that wont trigger YouTubes warning.
Some users are even going as far as to switch to a new browser.
Tons of discussion, mostly technical, at Hacker News. And lots of workarounds.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38137917
This sums it up for me:
Even if you were to pay for premium and thus "get rid of ads", there are still ads that show up. YouTube shopping widgets still appear, as do creator posted ads.
WTF. Same with news subscriptions. Pay and you still get ads.
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