Likud Finally Admits They Want A Buffer Zone In Gaza

[T_A]

When the IDF was telling Palestinians to go to the South, where they would be "safe" and "out of harm's way", which was a LIE, they also told them they could return to their homes after the military operations were over, which was another LIE.

Instead, the Likud intends to construct a 'buffer zone' in Northern Gaza, which means millions of Palestinians will never be able to go back home.

Mark Regev, senior adviser to the Israeli prime minister, and a member of the War Cabinet:

Yes, I believe there will be a buffer zone. There needs to be, after what we have been through, yes.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/israel-has-no-desire-to-govern-gaza-but-will-create-buffer-zone-netanyahu-adviser-says

[Chi67]

1. Ugh

I was afraid of this. And it's not a good look.

[elias7]

2. Cyprus has a double wall between the north and the south, UN patrols within about a 20 foot wide track.

You could split the border so the zone occupies same amount of on either side of the border

[hlthe2b]

3. To be honest...

I think Israelis need a (permanent metaphorical) buffer FROM LIKUDISTS... The far RW extremists that have backed Netanyahu (and his corruption) have created a situation that is devastating for the majority of Israelis and puts their entire future at risk. And that doesn't even touch on the current situation or future in Gaza.

Netanyahu and his most extreme supporters have betrayed Israel, IMHO.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

4. At what point in that interview did he say that no one would be allowed back in Northern Gaza?

And why would they need a buffer zone if the intent is to kill all Palestinians?

[enid602]

5. Paranoia

Paranoia will make you do that.

[T_A]

6. I'm Afraid You're Confused

At what point in that interview did he say that no one would be allowed back in Northern Gaza?

Apparently you don't comprehend what comprises a 'buffer zone'.

And why would they need a buffer zone if the intent is to kill all Palestinians?

You'd have to ask the Likud.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

7. You made the assertion that no one would be allowed back

Now back it up. You posted the article. Point to the statement that says that.
Or did you hear this on live radio so you can't actually provide any proof?

[T_A]

9. Sure

You made the assertion that no one would be allowed back

Correct. By definition, a 'buffer zone' is a NO-GO DMZ that keeps people out.

Now back it up

Just did.

Point to the statement that says that.

YOU point to where I posted there was such a statement in that article.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

11. So why post the article if you are going to make up facts?

You could've just used your old "It was live radio, I don't have a link!" or "I don't do research for you" canards, but you actually posted a link that doesn't actually say what you are saying.
You claimed that millions of Palestinians (aka, all of Gaza) will not be allowed back into Northern Gaza because it will all be turned into a DMZ.
Nowhere is that claim backed by the article. You are just ginning outrage with fake news, as per usual.
Why would someone make up so much fake news about Israeli genocide?

[T_A]

14. Yikes

So why post the article if you are going to make up facts?

I posted the interview because Netanyahu's top advisor finally admitted the Likud intends to set-up a "buffer zone".

I didn't make up any facts.

You claimed that millions of Palestinians (aka, all of Gaza) will not be allowed back into Northern Gaza because it will all be turned into a DMZ. Nowhere is that claim backed by the article.

WHO claimed it was?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

16. This you?

“Instead, the Likud intends to construct a 'buffer zone' in Northern Gaza, which means millions of Palestinians will never be able to go back home.”

Just so you know, posts that you write are readable by others on this site. Maybe think of that when you pretend you didn’t make up a load of horseshit.

[angrychair]

54. How exactly would you describe it?

A northern Gaza buffer zone means exactly how it sounds. By definition it would be to create a space between what will remain of Gaza and Israel.
My personal conjecture, based on my knowledge and experience, would be they intend to stage a forward military outpost there to respond more quickly in the case of future attacks as well as limit future access to the remaining tunnels in northern Gaza.
I had predicted this from the beginning and was aggressively berated by some. I had zero doubts that was the intention for pushing them further south. I imagine, in some circles of the Israeli government, they would have pushed them straight into Egypt and dissolved Gaza completely but it appears, at least for now, cooler and wiser heads are prevailing and they still might on this as well.
I would suspect that if they go through with seizing half of Gaza as a buffer zone, it will likely have significant implications to Israel, both militarily and economically, as most nations, especially in the ME, will see that has a step to far.

[Disaffected]

69. Methinks you may be wasting your time debating

a troll-bot (I had a similar run-in with him/her/it previously).

[AZSkiffyGeek]

70. I figure as much

Or a sockpuppet. From the “nuh-unh” and “I know what you are but what am I” responses. Not to mention the pro Hamas talking points that started spamming the board a couple days after 10/7.

[maxsolomon]

8. Likud rep didn't say what you said he did.

you extrapolated a lot here:

the Likud intends to construct a 'buffer zone' in Northern Gaza, which means millions of Palestinians will never be able to go back home.

but he didn't give the location or size of this "buffer zone". the total population is 2.3 million, so when you say "millions" won't be able to go back home, you're saying what, all of Gaza City will be the buffer zone? are you speculating?

wouldn't a 'buffer zone' be more an expanded protective perimeter around Gaza?

[T_A]

10. Eh

but he didn't give the location or size of this "buffer zone"

Did I claim that he did?

wouldn't a 'buffer zone' be more an expanded protective perimeter around Gaza?

No.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

12. Lolololol I made an assertion I can't back up, so now it's on you to prove me wrong!

Par for the course.

[EX500rider]

13. He said nothing of the sort

He did not mention N Gaza

Just to confirm, you are not talking about any kind of governance offering Gaza. You are only talking about a security presence. Could that include a buffer zone?

Mark Regev:

Yes, I believe there will be a buffer zone. There needs to be, after what we have been through, yes.

Any reasonable person would assume that to be a buffer zone around gaza, ie a larger security zone

[T_A]

15. Actually

anyone paying attention would assume something quite different.

Notice that the IDF has been quite adamant about Palestinians moving South, BELOW the 'Wadi Gaza'. That made me suspicious that somebody was drawing a line on a map for a very specific reason.

[EX500rider]

18. Because they are engaging in land warfare in the N if you haven't noticed

They want the civilian's out of the way for their own safety

[T_A]

20. No

They want the civilian's out of the way for their own safety

As I've documented, that is a LIE.

They are bombing and launching airstrikes in the North and the South. But they want the Palestinians out of the North and in the South, below the 'Wadi Gaza'.

[EX500rider]

23. You haven't documented anything

Perhaps you passed along info that Hamas issued and Lord knows we trust their press statements.

Of course they're striking some Hamas targets in the South but the vast majority of their combat is north of the line they said people to go south of

[T_A]

32. Wrong Again

You haven't documented anything

Of course I have. You just can't handle the truth.

Perhaps you passed along info that Hamas issued and Lord knows we trust their press statements.

Nope. Wrong again.

Of course they're striking some Hamas targets in the South but the vast majority of their combat is north of the line they said people to go south of...

'Wadi Gaza'.

Rather revealing that the IDF wants them all South of the 'Wadi Gaza'.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

39. It's so cute when someone learns a new term

It's like a five year old who just read about dinosaurs for the first time and won't stop talking about them. I guess at this point all we can do is pat you on the head and say, good boy, you heard all about Wadi Gaza.

[Torchlight]

50. Sounds serious.

Good luck.

[PCIntern]

17. Well, you're just gonna have to wait and see what the Israelis do

Because Six Day War, because Entebbe, because Adolph Eichmann, because they’re really smart and clever. And because they’re running things over there and you are posting on a message board from the safety of your den.

[T_A]

19. We Already Know What They're Gonna Do

Regev already admitted it. We just don't know the specifics yet, but the Likud is not very subtle, and they tend to give away their coming actions.

[PCIntern]

21. No you don't...

When the Egyptian tanks rolled toward Israel in 1973 they thought that they were nearly invincible. The Israelis invented an anti tank weapon that consisted of a high velocity needle which penetrated the turret, shredded the troops inside, but left the tank operable for the Israelis. No one had conceived of this before.

[T_A]

22. Eh

Non sequitur.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

25. Smilies and cliches are all you have left

Since reading comprehension is out the window.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

66. So Israelis are going to find a way to kill Palestinians and keep infrastructure for themselves?

Is that what your little analogy teaches us? I'm confused?

[PCIntern]

71. No I'm saying that they're way ahead of everyone else.

[yagotme]

75. Hamas has also admitted what they want to do.

Thus, the need for a buffer zone.

[CincyDem]

26. Don't forget Munich '72. They fixed that issue in their own too. n/t

[PCIntern]

27. True fact

Little known fact: the terrorists castrated at least one of the captive wrestlers while he was alive and conscious.

This is whom they’re dealing with.

[CincyDem]

29. yeah - that's a word picture I won't soon forget.

The graphic stories that are coming out from survivors of the 10/7 attack are sickening. It continues to amaze me that so many rush to defend hamas when those same people would want jail time for anyone who tortured and killed a dog in the street the way Hamas killed those Israelis.

Just wtf.

[PCIntern]

30. You are absitively correct.

But it’s Jews so there’s always an excuse.

[SoFlaBro]

62. Mmm...that hurt. I cannot disagree nor find a flaw in the statement.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

67. Those terrorists from 1972 are still alive and active now?

Because otherwise, I don't think you can say that this is all Palestinians. I mean, you can't say that even if they are alive.

[ripcord]

24. Of course they are, it only makes sense

It is the same reason they kept the Golan Heights, they have a legitimate security concern. Every time the Arab lunatics attacked Israel it started with artillery shelling from the Golan. Now after this latest attack they are putting space between them and the Hamas terrorists. If the UN and the rest of the world doesn't like it fuck them, let them come deal with Hamas.

[Takket]

28. I would understand "buffer zone" to mean an area of some width between inhabited areas

of Gaza and Israel, not a total annexation of Northern Gaza. What Israel will want is a guarantee Hamas can't ever pull off a terrorist attack in the same manner again

[AZSkiffyGeek]

31. Logic there...

Why put a buffer zone in only one direction?
See Maginot Line.

[Chainfire]

61. Pushing more people off their lands. In my world if I want to build a fence, I can't do it 10 yards on my

neighbors property because we would have a fight on our hands. The next qustion will be just how long after the current residents are pushed out will the new settlers arrive?

[tritsofme]

33. At first blush, given the horrific Hamas attacks that were waged on 10/7

Such a buffer seems eminently reasonable.

[T_A]

34. Hmmmm

Given that the Likud had the IDF slaughter more than 10,000 civilians, 70% women and children, then a buffer South of Jerusalem would seem "eminently reasonable", eh?

[tritsofme]

35. Are those the numbers originating from Hamas?

[T_A]

36. No

they're from the Health Ministry, and 'BBC Verify' and 'Human Rights Watch' are both independently tracking and corroborating the Gaza death numbers released by them, which they say are accurate.

UNICEF also reports their numbers closely match those of the Health Ministry:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unicef-defends-accuracy-of-gaza-death-toll-as-horror-unfolds-in-ravaged-enclave/ar-AA1jzMpH

[tritsofme]

37. The "Health Ministry" which is of course a Hamas run organization.

[T_A]

38. Which Has What To Do With My Post?

Non Sequitur.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

40. You keep using that term

It's clear you don't know what it means.

[T_A]

42. Nothing

seems to be "clear" to you.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

46. Oh there are a couple things that are VERY clear

Keep it up, you'll get there eventually. Your slip is showing.

[PCIntern]

72. You may want to stop using that phrase

Because you are using it inappropriately.

[T_A]

73. Sez You

[PCIntern]

74. Ooohhh...

Your profundity is overwhelming. I surrender to your intellect.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

41. That's not what UNICEF said in the article

Do you just pull random links out that have nothing to do with your assertions?
Because that would be a non-sequitur.

[T_A]

44. Wrong AGAIN

That's not what UNICEF said in the article

Of course it is.

UNICEF spokesperson has defended the death toll being reported out of Gaza, saying the organization’s figures had historically matched those of the Hamas-controlled Gazan health ministry.

“Our numbers were within a couple of percent of that, almost identical. We don’t have that concern based on past history.”

You keep getting everything WRONG. Are you OK?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

45. Your quote does not say that UNICEF confirmed the current numbers

It says they lined up HISTORICALLY. Then it says they believe Hamas, not that they confirmed the numbers. In fact, you left out the quote that says the numbers can't be confirmed.
But keep trying - maybe you'll figure this Internet thing out and learn how to properly cite sources.

[T_A]

48. Of Course

That's their point.

Plus, you ignored that 'BBC Verify' and 'Human Rights Watch' are both corroborating CURRENT numbers.

You just keep getting it wrong.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

49. I don't see any links about Human Rights Watch or BBC

I only see a poster who refuses to back up his claims with any sort of actual research, then plays coy when called on it. Probably because they aren't actually interested in providing accurate information, just parroting terrorist talking points.

[T_A]

64. There It Is!

the hoop makes it's entrance, once again.

Sorry, I ain't jumpin'. That's OLD NEWS, and you're on your own.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

65. Spouting nonsense now instead of supporting your Hamas talking points

Got it

[T_A]

68. False Accusations Is All You Ever Got

[lapucelle]

76. At least he didn't call you "kemosabe".

[David__77]

43. Likud is a fascist and racist organization.

[multigraincracker]

52. That is pretty much the whole deal

on both sides. Neither side represents every one so labeled. BiBi, The Likud and the Right wing Settlers are in deep trouble with the Secular population. According to reports 78% of Israelis do not support BiBi and there is a good chance his coalition of Right wing groups may not have long.
Same situation on the other side. Most of the other side do not agree with the Right Wing Hamas.
All of those that lump either side all together are wrong. Nothing is black and white, every thing is gray.
Perhaps those with strong feelings could go over there and sign up to fight for their mistaken beliefs.
Sorry, I just get tired of both sides.

[Jedi Guy]

47. You're making a lot of big assumptions here.

Regev said there would be "a buffer zone" and from that you're leaping to the conclusion that it'll be as far south as Wadi Gaza. That's just an assumption, though.

"A buffer zone" could very easily mean a no man's land style strip between an interior fence in Gaza and a fence on the Israeli side of the border, something akin to the Berlin Wall.

It's hard to blame them for taking this approach after 10/7. A buffer zone/no man's land between two fences, with IDF monitoring and patrolling the Israeli side, is what I'm guessing they're envisioning here to prevent another incursion.

But if you want to continue assuming Israel's going to turn half of the Gaza Strip into this buffer zone, I certainly can't stop you.

[patphil]

51. Israel takes a little bit at of time.

They do it on the West Bank, now it looks like they are going to take Gaza land. And of course the Golan Heights in 1967.
Engulf and consume is the Likud government strategy to eventually taking all Palestine land.

[maxsolomon]

55. Israel withdrew their settlers from Gaza 16 years ago.

Nothing in "buffer zone" explicitly says that the IDF will seize territory in Gaza. It could easily be taken out of Israeli agricultural land on the perimeter. It only needs to be so wide.

[patphil]

57. The Golan Heights isn't exactly a good place to settle, but they still do own it.

And, I'm pretty sure Israel will use Gaza land for their buffer zone.

[maxsolomon]

58. "Pretty sure" at least allows for possibility that they won't.

I'll take it.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

63. It's also not Palestinian land

But don’t let those facts get in the way…

[lees1975]

53. Seriously?

Gaza is just a few miles wide. How is a buffer zone going to prevent another attack, if it only moves the boundaries the length of a football field.

[maxsolomon]

56. Maybe it would be wider than 100 yards?

10 football fields? 1100 yards is a half mile.

Confirming a reporter's suggestion isn't a blueprint; I'd imagine the size of a buffer is still under consideration - if it's under consideration at all and not just smoke.

[NickB79]

60. Israel is investing heavily in autonomous weapon platforms

A buffer zone 100 yd deep, guarded by autonomous machine gun drones, seems like a likely scenario for the future of Israeli security.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-unveils-armed-robotic-vehicle-for-forward-reconnaissance-missions/

[NickB79]

59. Every time the Arab world has attacked Israel with the goal of wiping them out

They've lost territory, going back to 1948.

Maybe they'll learn someday, but not today, it seems.

A buffer zone 100 yd wide seems perfectly reasonable IMO.