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WhiskeyGrinder

(27,227 posts)
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 06:15 PM Nov 2023

Settler violence is erasing Palestinian communities in the West Bank

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/09/west-bank-israel-settlers-violence/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjk5NTA2MDAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzAwODg4Mzk5LCJpYXQiOjE2OTk1MDYwMDAsImp0aSI6ImZkNTY5OWU2LTA3OGQtNDJmNS05YTg4LWY3ZWNhMDVkNzY5NSIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS93b3JsZC8yMDIzLzExLzA5L3dlc3QtYmFuay1pc3JhZWwtc2V0dGxlcnMtdmlvbGVuY2UvIn0.6NmvMS3JT-XvC-5xs9V5P2IotbCU1OvpW6dVj2EY1i4

In the Palestinian village of Umm al-Kheir, residents described masked men in army uniforms overrunning their community last week. The men smashed residents’ cellphones so no one could document the beatings that followed.

In nearby Susiya, five men in similar dress beat Ahmed Nawaja, 38, underneath his olive tree. His daughters cried, he said, as the attackers slammed their rifle butts down on his body.

Violence by Israeli settlers, long aimed at depopulating rural Palestinian parts of the occupied West Bank, had grown common in the months since Prime Minister President Benjamin Netanyahu returned to power in late December — at the head of a coalition that included far-right settler activists who have been convicted of anti-Arab incitement and have advocated for the annexation of the West Bank.

Since Hamas militants killed more than 1,400 people and plunged Israel into war on Oct. 7, the pace of the assaults has more than doubled, as the radical settler movement exploits the crisis to hasten demographic change across the territory. At least 11 Palestinian communities have been completely abandoned since the beginning of the year, including six since Oct. 7, according to the West Bank Protection Consortium, a group of nongovernmental organizations funded by the European Union.
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Settler violence is erasing Palestinian communities in the West Bank (Original Post) WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 OP
Hmmmmmm malaise Nov 2023 #1
Damn... settlers acting just like 10/7 terrorists? WarGamer Nov 2023 #2
Seems like the youths today don't call them "settlers" redqueen Nov 2023 #3
My psychiatrist Goddessartist Nov 2023 #21
This is a form of terrorism sarisataka Nov 2023 #4
Wholly agreed Sympthsical Nov 2023 #7
The problem is that Netanyahu absolutely supports the expansion of the illegal settlements, in part due to his base Celerity Nov 2023 #13
Yeah, he's not a good guy Sympthsical Nov 2023 #15
Yes, it is terrorism and it dramatically hurts Bibi and Israel's claim to a "just war" against terrorism. Wonder Why Nov 2023 #11
"Depopulating". There's a buzzword that Netanyahu doesn't want spread around. EarnestPutz Nov 2023 #5
I have little doubt Netanyahu is getting an earful on this from Blinken and Biden. maxsolomon Nov 2023 #6
He probably is getting that earful. Even still BaronChocula Nov 2023 #14
Aka Bibi's base BeyondGeography Nov 2023 #8
DURec leftstreet Nov 2023 #9
Very disturbing. This type of action will ensure another 1000 years of bloodshed. nt Evolve Dammit Nov 2023 #10
"But Hamas" is a distraction from this effort to erase people living there IronLionZion Nov 2023 #12
If the two state solution is not accepted edisdead Nov 2023 #16
if there's one state, it shouldn't be an apartheid state WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #19
A pox upon them! Mossfern Nov 2023 #17
These settlers will be forcefully removed one day JI7 Nov 2023 #18
Okay, when I said, and have said this before, that there is an ulterior motive for the whole Israel-Hamas thing tornado34jh Nov 2023 #20

WarGamer

(18,859 posts)
2. Damn... settlers acting just like 10/7 terrorists?
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 06:19 PM
Nov 2023
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/19/middleeast/west-bank-settler-attacks-israel-cmd-intl/index.html

CNN

Ibrahim Wadi, 62, and his son Ahmad, 24, were on their way to a funeral for four Palestinians shot dead by Israeli settlers in their occupied West Bank community, when their car came under attack.

The father and son were driving through the small village of Qusra, just south of Nablus, which has become a focal point of violence over recent days, when they themselves were fired upon by armed settlers on Thursday. Family members told CNN that the men were transferred to a nearby hospital and died of their wounds soon after.

They are among at least 61 people, including children, to be killed in the occupied West Bank since October 7, when Hamas launched its unprecedented, surprise assault on Israel, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health there. More than 1,250 have been injured.

Goddessartist

(2,176 posts)
21. My psychiatrist
Fri Nov 10, 2023, 12:40 PM
Nov 2023

visits Israel quite often. She says they call themselves 'pilgrims' as well.

She witnessed many of the Israelis spitting on the Muslim shopkeepers. This was in Jerusalem. Nothing was done or is ever done about it.

sarisataka

(22,835 posts)
4. This is a form of terrorism
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 06:23 PM
Nov 2023

While it may not rise to the inhuman brutality of Hamas, it cannot be tolerated.

Israel has a responsibility to control its own people.

Sympthsical

(11,114 posts)
7. Wholly agreed
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 06:37 PM
Nov 2023

This behavior cannot be tolerated. If the U.S. needs to put a foot down, be that funding or support until they see some action on it, so be it.

No matter what's going on in Gaza, there's no excuse for this.

Celerity

(54,864 posts)
13. The problem is that Netanyahu absolutely supports the expansion of the illegal settlements, in part due to his base
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 07:49 PM
Nov 2023

being majority composed of radical expansionists, including a lot of racist, tribalist supremacists, many of whom revere mass murderers like Baruch Goldstein .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein



Baruch Kopel Goldstein (Hebrew: ברוך קופל גולדשטיין; born Benjamin Carl Goldstein; December 9, 1956 – February 25, 1994) was an Israeli-American mass murderer, religious extremist, and physician who perpetrated the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in Hebron in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, an incident of Jewish terrorism. Goldstein was a supporter of the Kach, a religious Zionist party that the United States, the European Union and other countries designate as a terrorist organization. On February 25, 1994, Goldstein, a resident of the illegal Israeli settlement of Kiryat Arba near Hebron, entered a room in the Cave of the Patriarchs that was serving as a mosque. Dressed in Israeli military uniform, he opened fire on the 800 Palestinian Muslim worshippers praying during the month of Ramadan, killing 29 and wounding 125 worshippers, until he was beaten to death by survivors.

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Veneration by extremists

While mainstream Jewish religious leaders, including the chief rabbis of Israel, rejected the suggestion that killing Palestinians was authorized by the Torah, some extremist religious Jews have defended Goldstein's actions. At Goldstein's funeral, Rabbi Yaacov Perrin claimed that even one million Arabs are "not worth a Jewish fingernail". Samuel Hacohen, a teacher at a Jerusalem college, declared Goldstein the "greatest Jew alive, not in one way, but in every way", and said that he was "the only one who could do it, the only one who was 100 percent perfect". Rabbi Dov Lior of Kiryat Arba declared that Goldstein was "holier than all the martyrs of the Holocaust".

In the weeks following the massacre, hundreds of Israelis traveled to Goldstein's grave to celebrate Goldstein's actions. Some Hasidim danced and sang around his grave. According to one visitor to the gravesite in the wake of the attacks, "If [Goldstein] stopped these so-called peace talks, then he is truly holy because this is not real peace." Some visitors declared Goldstein a "saint" and "hero of Israel". The phenomenon of the veneration of Goldstein's tomb persisted for years. Even after the dismantling of Goldstein's shrine in 1999, radical Jewish settlers continued to celebrate the anniversary of the massacre in the West Bank, sometimes even dressing up themselves or their children to look like Goldstein.

In 2010, Jewish settlers sang songs in praise of Baruch Goldstein's massacre demonstratively in front of their Arab neighbours, during celebrations of Purim. A phrase from one song reads, "Dr. Goldstein, there is none other like you in the world. Dr. Goldstein, we all love you ... He aimed at terrorists' heads, squeezed the trigger hard, and shot bullets, and shot, and shot." Prior to entering the Knesset, Otzma Yehudit party leader and current Israeli Minister for National Security Itamar Ben-Gvir displayed a portrait of Goldstein in his living room. It was removed when Ben-Gvir entered politics.

Sympthsical

(11,114 posts)
15. Yeah, he's not a good guy
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 08:32 PM
Nov 2023

I've never thought so. I have problems with Likud and the ethnonationalist right-wing there. Setting aside the immorality of the behavior in the West Bank, it's completely counterproductive to a two state solution. Israelis are going to have to make some choices about what they want the end game to be and the path forward to achieve it. Netanyahu needs to go, and that was being recognized before October 7th by many Israelis. If the polls are to be believed, they recognize it after as well.

I agree with you about the right-wing there. But it doesn't change my opinion about Gaza. I can hold both thoughts in my head at the same time without dissonance.

Wonder Why

(7,232 posts)
11. Yes, it is terrorism and it dramatically hurts Bibi and Israel's claim to a "just war" against terrorism.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 07:28 PM
Nov 2023

Israeli settlers have been a big cause of Palestinian resentment for years and the Israeli government has done little to stop them or address complaints against them. It's the "Manifest Destiny" practiced in this country 150 years ago and has always violated the Geneva Convention which prohibits a country from taking over another in war. Similar to the Russian occupation of parts of Ukraine prior to their invasion.

maxsolomon

(39,120 posts)
6. I have little doubt Netanyahu is getting an earful on this from Blinken and Biden.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 06:35 PM
Nov 2023

The Settlers are just turning the heat up on the pressure cooker. They explicitly intend to drive Palestinians out of the West Bank - they're not shy about their project.

At this point, I'm not sure Likud could control these zealots if they tried. Everyone's trying to bring on the apocalypse.

BaronChocula

(4,739 posts)
14. He probably is getting that earful. Even still
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 08:31 PM
Nov 2023

Boo Boo has been thumbing his nose at U.S. admonishments of settlement expansion for years. Yeah. That's made Israel more safe.

IronLionZion

(51,550 posts)
12. "But Hamas" is a distraction from this effort to erase people living there
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 07:38 PM
Nov 2023

This is why a 2 state solution is needed sooner, not later. It's a blatant land grab by using violence and intimidation against civilians to get them to leave. It's like KKK type stuff in the US.

edisdead

(3,396 posts)
16. If the two state solution is not accepted
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 08:49 PM
Nov 2023

If the two state solution is not accepted by either party….
There will be one state.

Sucks but what else is going to happen.

Mossfern

(4,773 posts)
17. A pox upon them!
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 08:52 PM
Nov 2023

I've always spoke out against the West Bank settlements. They're bigoted zealots - tied to Likud and the right wing. The settlements need to be dismantled. The longer they're allowed to remain, the worse it will be.
Those who are perpetrating these deeds need to be made accountable for their actions.

I totally condemn the actions of those harassing, harming and killing Palestinians who live in the West Bank.
This turns my stomach.

Netanyahu needs to be removed.
He's a criminal.

JI7

(93,900 posts)
18. These settlers will be forcefully removed one day
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 08:59 PM
Nov 2023

The US and other supporters of Israel will have to pressure the Israelis to stay out in certain areas even without a 2 state solution.

They need to get rid of Netanhayu and get someone that actually cares about the future of Israel more than their personal agendas.

tornado34jh

(1,532 posts)
20. Okay, when I said, and have said this before, that there is an ulterior motive for the whole Israel-Hamas thing
Fri Nov 10, 2023, 01:30 AM
Nov 2023

I knew that as a byproduct, they want to eliminate the Palestinians from Gaza and the West bank so that they can occupy it. Who do you think the settlers voted for? The bastards of the far-right Likud party. I have said this many times, it is not just about Hamas, it's about them wanting to take over Palestine. I will bet you a lot of the IDF voted for that party. I am not giving Israel sympathy if they are trying to eliminate Palestinians, and I will bet you that even if Hamas didn't exist, and the Palestinians didn't vote for them, they still would want to take all of Palestine. Screw the Likud party and their bastard supporters! The Israel government's policies are a big reason for why this is all occurring.

I'm not saying that the Palestinian Authority isn't blameless for this conflict, but Israel is no saint in this conflict, but people act like they are. Both sides are at fault for this conflict, but I am sick and tired of people thinking that Israel should not be criticized for its policies and that if you do they whine, "Oh you criticize Israel, you are antisemitic" Shut the fucking storm up! No country is immune from criticism! I criticize the US for many things, does that make me anti-American? By the way, the Christian Nationalists only support Israel not because they actually do, but more for their "Second coming of Jesus". I will say it again, just to be clear, I do not support Hamas or their deadly attack, but this to me shows it is not just about Hamas. Hamas doesn't even control the West Bank. So if it was just about Hamas, why are their putting more settlers into the West Bank? That's why I think there is an ulterior motive.

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