Netanyahu rejected ceasefire-for-hostages deal in Gaza, sources say

[Nevilledog]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/09/netanyahu-rejected-ceasefire-for-hostages-deal-in-gaza-sources-say

Benjamin Netanyahu rejected a deal for a five-day ceasefire with Palestinian militant groups in Gaza in return for the release of some of the hostages held in the territory, according to sources familiar with the negotiations.

The sources said the Israeli prime minister rejected the deal outright in early negotiations after militants from Hamas staged an unprecedented incursion into Israeli territory on 7 October, killing an estimated 1,400 people.

Negotiations resumed after the launch of the Israeli ground offensive on 27 October, but the same sources said Netanyahu has continued to take a tough line on proposals involving ceasefires of different durations in exchange for a varying number of hostages.

Others indicated that negotiations which took place prior to the ground invasion involved a far larger number of hostages, with Hamas proposing the release of dozens of foreign nationals captive in Gaza.

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[disablegamer]

1. Israel cares about the hostages though

Hamas took hostages. They bombed the gaza because of wait nope no hostages here.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

3. Why does Hamas need a ceasefire to release the hostages?

Are they not able to just release them?
Seems like that would be a show of good faith. Or is taking hostages considered acceptable by the anti-Israel crowd now?

[Chainfire]

5. Hamas probably need a break from all the dying.

Israel doen't want to stop the killing. So, there you go.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

8. So you support Hamas keeping hostages?

[Chainfire]

10. That doesn't deserve a response, at least not one the complies with the rules of the forum.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

12. But saying Israel just wants to kill Palestinians is okay by you

I got it.

[Chainfire]

13. Well, seeing as how they have killed about ten thousand of them and are still bombing, what conclusion

am I supposed to draw? You have to call 'em like you see 'em.

[Cha]

39. HAMAS is Killing their Own People..

Link to tweet

[Beastly Boy]

9. How much of a break does Hamas need before they start killing again?

Just enough to reload their guns and sharpen their knives?

[BlueCheeseAgain]

15. Just to clarify...

Whose dying is Hamas trying to stop? Their own, or those of Palestinians?

I feel like Hamas could stop Palestinians dying by giving up all the hostages and surrendering.

[Chainfire]

18. That is a myopic view of the situation.

It is hard for me to believe that so many "progressives" are perfectly to accept all of the killing and put all blame for the problems of the last 50 years on just one side. I will never accept the deaths of thosands of chidren in a pissing contest between Hamas and Israel.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

19. I'm just trying to figure out what you meant when you said Hamas wanted to stop the dying.

Whose dying did you mean?

[Chainfire]

23. I wan't all of the dying to stop.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

25. #AllLivesMatter

[BlueCheeseAgain]

36. Respectfully, that doesn't answer the question.

You said Hamas wants the dying to stop. I asked whose dying Hamas wants to stop.

[Happy Hoosier]

28. I hope Hamas is dying in droves. NT

[ripcord]

2. They need to release all the hostages

Regardless of what Hamas thinks they aren't pawns to be dribbled out for their benefit.

[TheProle]

11. Thank you.

[Chainfire]

14. And Israel needs to stop the damn bombing.

[yagotme]

20. You forgot the part about Hamas stopping missile launches. nt

[AZSkiffyGeek]

21. So keeping hostages is acceptable as long as the bombing continues?

[Chainfire]

22. Such perverted logic.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

26. It is pretty perverted to respond to terrorism

With “but Israel!”

[Chainfire]

32. Do you think that I am obligate to answer insulting and silly questions? Think again.

What my problem is is that I find Palestinian lives to be as valuable as Israeli lives.

[Ferryboat]

35. Palestinian lives matter as do Israel's

Today's morning news has a mention of Hamas locating their command headquarters underground beneath a HOSPITAL!

Doesn't seem they are all that concerned about the collateral damage of the general population left above ground. Hard to have sympathy for those who started this shitshow, than run and hide.

That being said, past Israeli policies led to this situation.

[leftstreet]

4. DURec

[edisdead]

6. RELEASE THE FUCKING HOSTAGES.

Start there.

[Chainfire]

33. Stop the fucking bombing

start there.

Enough people have died and it is time to talk. You can't talk when bombs are falling.

[edisdead]

37. They came in and took hostages.

The bombing will not stop.

You and I cannot stop that from happening.

What can and should happen os the returning of the hostages.

[Beastly Boy]

7. What was the deal?

[onenote]

16. It sounds like Hamas wasn't offering to release Israeli hostages

From the article, it sounds like Hamas was offering only to release "foreign nationals". There is no way Netanyahu can accept a deal that leaves Israelis being held hostage.

[pinkstarburst]

17. Hamas needs to release the hostages. Period

I do not blame Israel for not trusting Hamas to keep their word. I do not blame them for thinking Hamas will drag things out and want to exchange 2 hostages here, 3 hostages a few weeks later, all while Hamas uses breaks in fighting to regroup and resupply. Hamas needs to release the hostages. The people of Gaza are only getting hungrier, thirstier and more desperate. If Hamas isn't serious about releasing hostages, like releasing 100 of them for a temporary ceasefire, then it only makes sense for Israel to keep going with their offensive and get into the tunnels and take Hamas out. Delaying things only hurts the innocent civilians of Gaza, who need food, water, and hospital access, and Hamas is counting on that and wants the PR machine to turn on Israel and so of course thier strategy is to drag this process out as much as possible. Israel is smart to just go in and take them out.

[Nanjeanne]

24. If this information is true I wonder how the families of children, elderly and women feel about

the possibility of some of their family being freed. I wonder if they think a ceasefire would be the right way to continue negotiations for the rest of the hostages and begin working towards a real solution for Israelis and Palestinians.

[Happy Hoosier]

30. Hamas was not offering to release any Israelis...

… just foreign nationals.

[Nanjeanne]

31. Do those people not have families?

[Bettie]

27. Once the war is over

his problems come back. He might be deposed for a short time and people might start caring about his criminality again.

Has his takeover of the courts been completed? If not, he needs it all to continue until he's ready to leave office.

[gulliver]

34. Hamas made a huge mistake

They are sub-animals. Anyone supporting Hamas is a waste of food. The Palestinians should have a state, but that state can't harbor terrorists.

Hamas has helped expose evil. They showed us who should be removed from Earth (them). They showed us who should be stripped of citizenship in any country opposed to terrorism and deported or imprisoned (their supporters).

[Chainfire]

38. Hamas is a terrorist organization; what they did was horrible.

In return Israel attacks all of the Palestinian people and that is no better than Hamas. The equivalent would be if someone in your neighborhood committed, murder then the police come and destroy the whole neighborhood; men women and children to make sure to get the killer and then call it "justice."

[maxsolomon]

40. Limited hostage release, allows Hamas to keep leveraging

Hasn't Hamas already said that 60 of the hostages are "missing"?