Fighting in Gaza has taken a very bad turn

[RainWalker]

This is the Palestinian Red Crescent (if you don't know who Red Crescent is they're Red Cross) tweeting this so the source is solid. They are saying that Israel is targeting Al-Quds hospital intentionally and even using snipers.

This breaks my heart so much.
I'm sharing pictures so everyone can see.

[Oopsie Daisy]

1. Horrific pictures coming out of Gaza right now.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218444889

Link to tweet

Horrific pictures coming out of Gaza right now.
Civilians are trying to leave the northern zone and go south.
However, Hamas opened fire on them to stop their attempt. They want human shields to protect them.

[RainWalker]

2. Innocent people are caught in between

I think at this time the international community has to become involved.

[claudette]

54. Does

the report of 11,000 dead innocents sound like they were "caught between?" What exactly is Nuttyahoo targeting?

[Cha]

38. Ty I was going to post that.

Hamas shooting their own people.for trying to get to Safety during the ceasefire.

[Celerity]

48. Visegrad 24 is a very problematic RW source of info (I have seen it posted many times here)

Polish Misinformation Using a Hungarian Recipe: The Curious Case of Visegrád 24

The popular Visegrád 24 Twitter account pretends to be a news agency, but just repackages material with a conservative spin

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218339695

[onecaliberal]

3. Their skin is brown so everyone will stand and watch.

[maxsolomon]

8. You expect what, US intervention on the ground to stop the IDF?

There aren't any options besides "stand and watch".

The IDF isn't attacking because Arab skin is "brown".

[agingdem]

36. The IDF attacks are not random.. Hamas stockpiles

weapons in tunnels under homes/schools/hospitals/mosques...they use those tunnels as "highways" into Israel to slaughter Jews....

[malaise]

9. Stand, watch and make excuses

justifying this genocide.

[sarisataka]

11. We keep hearing that Palestinians are also Semitic

So wouldn't Israelis also be as brown as Palestinians?

[leftstreet]

15. and fund n/t

[sarisataka]

4. Calling the person killed a martyr tells me all i need to know

And yes, I know very well what the Red Crescent is.

[COL Mustard]

28. Words matter

Language is loaded, and word choices matter.

[Arazi]

5. The language here is biased - "martyrs" "occupation" etc

I’d urge you to read Hamas leadership saying today, that they want civilians to be killed and are hoping to create a state of permanent war with Israel.

This is 100% on Hamas

[RainWalker]

6. I think that's perhaps a cultural difference?

I've noticed that whenever someone dies in a war the word "martyr" seems to be used. It happens on a regular basis from what I've seen from people who are Muslim hence my thinking it could be cultural.

[LeftInTX]

27. No. Martyr means someone who "sacrifices their life" for their cause. Not innocent bystanders.

They called the 911 conspirators, "martyrs"

[malaise]

10. Gaza is occupied

That is all

[claudette]

56. It always was

and if Nuttyahoo has his way, it always will be until he adds it to the nation of Israel.

[malaise]

63. If that criminal defendant has his way

There will be no Palestinians there

[Cha]

40. Yes Pesky Horrific Facts from

Hanas.

[T_A]

7. No Surprise

An IDF representative was asked about these specific charges by the BBC, and he denied everything. No attack near the hospital, and snipers, what snipers?

GEEZ.

[madaboutharry]

12. The Palestine Red Crescent in Gaza is run by Hamas.

It is not the Red Cross. It is not a solid source.
These tweets from PRCS are Hamas propaganda.

[PCIntern]

13. I was going to say the same:

Trump learned how to lie from these people. They will say anything at all and certain people will take it as truth.

[RainWalker]

14. Hmm it seems they are part of the Red Cross

And I don't believe they're run by Hamas.

https://www.palestinercs.org/en]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Red_Crescent_Society]

[madaboutharry]

16. They are not to be likened to the Red Cross as we understand the Red Cross in the U.S.

Hamas controls every entity in Gaza.

Hamas rules Gaza with ruthless tyranny. That includes everything within Gaza’s health care infrastructure.

Here is another fact: Red Crescent ambulances are used to transit Hamas terrorists and smuggle weapons throughout Gaza.

You are being manipulated by propaganda. I’m not saying this to be mean. I’m trying to explain that the PRCS is run by Hamas and their statements are not to be accepted at face value.

[RainWalker]

17. Sorry but I'm going to disagree

Yes they are part of the Red Cross and here is what the British Red Cross says about them. If you have the time I hope you will read it.

https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/disasters-and-emergencies/world/palestine-red-crescent-and-magen-david-adom-explained]

The Magen David Adom in Israel, and the Palestine Red Crescent Society, are part of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement.

The Movement is made up of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) and 191 National Societies across the world. The MDA and the PRCS are both formally recognised National Societies.

All Societies within the Movement provide humanitarian assistance in accordance with our shared Fundamental Principles. This includes Magen David Adom and the Palestine Red Crescent Society.

As a part of the neutral, impartial and independent humanitarian Movement, all National Societies respond solely based on need and without discrimination. 

[madaboutharry]

20. You are free to believe whatever fits your narrative.

Every entity in Gaza, regardless of origin or purpose, is under the complete and absolute control of Hamas.
Statements from the British Red Cross do not change that fact.

[RainWalker]

22. Ok well thanks for the reply

[Butterflylady]

78. Save your sanity, the answer is always the same.

[RainWalker]

79. I'm beginning to learn that

[Nanjeanne]

24. Please tell that to Cindy McCain whose Foundation is currently working with Red Crescent in

order to get supplies into Gaza..

You can view her saying so in my post that contains her interview.

I’m sure she’ll appreciate your well researched and authoritative input.

[lapucelle]

68. Cindy McCain is working with the Egyptian Red Crescent, not the Palestinian Red Cresent.

It appears that the Palestinian Red Crescent has violated one of the the seven fundamental principles of the ICRC/IFRC by breaking neutrality.

[Nanjeanne]

74. I know. As I said I don't believe Red Crescent Palestine is being run by Hamas. I can't speak to their

Communications person using those words. Perhaps the head of the ICRC can speak to that.

[moniss]

52. So since the UN has functioning groups in Gaza

your assertion is that the UN groups are run by Hamas? There have been independent peace groups functioning in Gaza. Are you asserting they are also controlled and run by Hamas? Doctors Without Borders has been functioning in Gaza are you claiming they are run by Hamas? The BBC is functioning in Gaza. Are you claiming the BBC reporters/producers are run by Hamas?

[keopeli]

25. Good propaganda contains a veneer of authenticity and truth.

Imagine, if you will, if the Nazis had the "Broken Cross" humanitarian society. It affiliated with international humanitarian societies. It publicized their humanitarian endeavors within Germany, maybe even helping Jews/Gays/Gypsies when they're sick or injured, to stay in good-standing with the Red Cross.

Would you believe they were not run by the Nazis and only did unbiased humanitarian work? Would you criticize allies when Goebels printed pictures of how Allies bombed a hospital serving Jews/Gays/Gypsies?

Personally, knowing Hamas and their terrorist behavior in my lifetime and knowing they gladly risk Palestinian lives to cover their terrorist activities and reacting to words used like 'martyr', I am inclined to disregard much of the Hamas-run Red Crescent information without much more credible sourcing.

That's how I look at it, anyway.

Peace.

[RainWalker]

35. Well it seems Cindy McCain is working with them

So you'll have to excuse my doubting of they're run by Hamas.

[lapucelle]

69. Cindy McCain is not working with the Palestinian Red Cresent. She is working with the Egyptian Red Crescent.

https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-makes-urgent-plea-safe-expanded-humanitarian-access-gaza-food-runs-out

[RainWalker]

71. See here and thanks for the reply

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18445841]

[lapucelle]

72. Cindy McCain is working with the Egyptian Red Crescent, not the Palestinian Red Crescent.

See here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218445382#post67

[lapucelle]

37. The International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement is apolitical and doesn't take sides in conflicts.

The Palestine Red Crescent Society
The Palestinian branch of the movement was founded in 1968 by Fathi Arafat, Yasser Arafat's brother. It provides hospitals, emergency medicine and ambulance services, and primary health care centers in the Palestinian territories. Its headquarters are in Ramallah, near Jerusalem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Red_Crescent_Society

[flashman13]

43. And your source for your diatribe is what? Is it from an organization that we

might recognize that has some sort of credibility? Or is it just your opinion based on Palestinians bad and Israelis good? Sounds like it could be - wait for - propaganda.

[lapucelle]

30. What language is that translated from?

[Nanjeanne]

21. That is simply not true. And so easily disproved why would you say something so false?

https://www.icrc.org/en/who-we-are/movement]

The International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement is a global humanitarian network of 80 million people that helps those facing disaster, conflict and health and social problems. It consists of the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies and the 192 National Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.

Francesco Rocca. The President of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) is Mr Francesco Rocca. He was first elected at the 21st IFRC General Assembly in 2017 and then re-elected at the 23rd IFRC General Assembly in 2022. He is based in Geneva.

Current head of Palestine Red Crescent is Dr. Younis Al-Khatib.

Of course, if you don’t believe me, you can ask Cindy McCain- since her Foundation works with them. She references them in this recent interview about the devastating situation in Gaza. Or perhaps she less informed than you.

https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/world-food-program-calls-for-expanded-humanitarian-access-to-gaza-197148741729]

[lapucelle]

70. Cindy McCain is working with the Egyptian Red Crescent, not the Palestinian Red Crescent.

Didn't Ali Velshi make that clear?

https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-makes-urgent-plea-safe-expanded-humanitarian-access-gaza-food-runs-out

[Nanjeanne]

73. I know. This was about the Red Crescent Palestine organization being Hamas run. I disagree.

[Nanjeanne]

75. Yes and I don't believe the Palestinian RC is run by Hamas. Their communications manager may get a reprimand

from the head of the international organization. I can’t speak to the translation. This is about working with an organization that I don’t believe is Hamas run.

Lapucelle - I’m tired of writing this so many times. You are t telling me something I already know so can we just agree to disagree. You say the organization is Hamas run. I say not. I say the international organization would know if it was. You say they are fooled.

It’s all good. Let’s not have to type so much.

[lapucelle]

76. The point is that Cindy McCain is not working with the Palestinian Red Crescent,

and that Red Crescent member organizations have a duty to remain neutral as one of seven guiding principles. Those are two simple facts.

At this point, the Palestinian Red Crescent is disseminating political messages and using politically charged language on social media. It's fair to infer that the Palestinian Red Crescent has been co-opted by Hamas.

But to be clear, Cindy McCain is not working with the Palestinian Red Crescent.

[BannonsLiver]

26. + 1

Imagine taking this at face value. 🤦‍♂️

[claudette]

55. Dear Lord

What will it take for people to believe the atrocities being committed in Gaza?

[Warpy]

18. That probably means Hamas fighters are there making some sort of stand

thinking a hospital will be a perfect shield. They don't care about the people inside.

Neither does the IDF, who want to get rid of Hamas at all costs.

There was no way this was going to be anything but one long war crime by both sides.

[Chainfire]

19. Any information that is unfavorable to Israel comes from Hamas. I thought you all knew that.

[KatK]

29. Are you serious? One can support Israel's right to exist AND critique AND call for change of direction n/t

[Chainfire]

31. No KatK, I am in full agreement with you; it was sarcasm.

However, if you have been following threads about the war, you will know where I am coming from. For some here the only valid news is news showing Israel in a good light.

[keopeli]

33. The opposite seems to be true as well.

[KatK]

57. Thanks for your kind reply, Chainfire

Some of the views expressed lately on this topic have been extraordinarily painful for me, and I've walked away and wept a few times. It's just been so upsetting to me that quite a few people here have views that are so shocking to me. Since I've been partly away, I don't know who believes what.

Usually I'm very quiet here but this forum is important to me, and so I've wanted to say SOMETHING but I've seen others get trounced in what I interpret as a mean-spirited way.

So I'm so grateful that you responded in a way that helped me to understand your views. And that you weren't impatient with me. I'm just so unbelievably sensitive on this issue.

It's been tricky for me even with my local friends. Some of them mostly follow the mainstream press, and if that's all the news you get, then one's views could be quite different than mine.

The situation itself is unfathomably horrible, and it's been so hard on me that people in my orbit are not appalled and taking whatever action they can.

So now in addition to thanking you for your kind reply, I want to thank you for reading this. I feel a little better having expressed all this

May there be peace.

[Chainfire]

65. That was a very sweet reply. Thank you, you have made my day!

[LexVegas]

23. Al-Quds Barracks. nt

[Think. Again.]

32. Is the hospital itself...

...an asset of the the Red Crescent Society?

There seems to be a large Red Crescent symbol on the building...

[Happy Hoosier]

39. Don't think so...

Perhaps the red crescent is similar to the red cross in that is used as generic symbol indicating medical care.

But we know that Hamas has located military assets in and under such facilities, so it’s bound to get ugly.

[Nanjeanne]

34. Imagine Cindy McCain who is now the Exec Dir of World Food Programme not knowing she is

working with Hamas?

She is coordinating with the Red Crescent to get food and supplies into Gaza. But of course she doesn’t have the detailed fully researched information that posters on DU have that her colleagues are actually Hamas.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

42. Jose Andres

and World Central Kitchen is feeding people there, as well.

[Nanjeanne]

50. Yes he's trying very hard. I've supported his org for years. But I must say I had no idea what Cindy McCain was

doing and as someone who was never a fan, I was extremely surprised to listen to her interview. Came away very impressed.

If you aren’t a supporter of WCK you might want to be. And you’ll get a lot of information about the reality of what’s happening in Gaza.

[lapucelle]

45. I would imagine that there are many people unaware that they are being used by Hamas.

The International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement is apolitical and doesn't take sides in conflicts. One of its fundamental principles is impartiality.

Using words like "occupying" and "martyrs" is counterproductive to its mission. It's an odd thing for the PRCS to do.

[Nanjeanne]

51. Well I certainly didn't get the impression from her interview that she was fooled into thinking she

was working with Hamas. Perhaps she struck you otherwise. The World Food Bank has been part of the UN since 1961 and is the largest world food program in the world providing assistance in 120 countries. I trust them to know who they are working with in Gaza.

If there is a messaging failure on RC’s part that’s something above my pay grade. But the idea that they are run by Hamas is just ridiculous and that’s what I’m responding to. If you think it’s an organization run by Hamas well have to agree to disagree. The idea is ridiculous to me that many organizations working in partnership with them are fooled but some posters on DU know the truth is also preposterous to me.

But not surprising given how people instinctively respond to things. It’s our nature and emotions run high.

[lapucelle]

67. I didn't mean Cindy McCain. Besides, she met with the Egyptian Red Crescent

in her leadership capacity with the World Food Program, not with the Palestinian Red Crescent.

McCain is concluding a two-day visit to Egypt, during which she met with Egypt's President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, senior government officials, and visited the Egyptian Red Crescent's humanitarian staging hub in Al Arish. She also inspected the rapid expansion of logistical operations and monitoring systems at the Rafah border crossing, which are crucial for providing vital assistance to people within Gaza.

"We appreciate all efforts to facilitate a steady flow of humanitarian supplies through its border with Gaza, and the work of the Egyptian Red Crescent is remarkable. We need to continue to work together to get safe and sustained access to Gaza at a scale that aligns with the catastrophic conditions facing families there,” McCain noted.

During her visit, McCain explored opportunities for WFP to leverage its extensive expertise in logistics during emergencies to further strengthen collaboration with partners such as the Egyptian Red Crescent to scale up the delivery of humanitarian aid into Gaza. She applauded the efforts of their volunteers who have worked tirelessly to get lifesaving assistance to their neighbours.

https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-makes-urgent-plea-safe-expanded-humanitarian-access-gaza-food-runs-out

[NickB79]

41. When Hamas uses hospitals as bases of operations, this is what happens

There are only 3 options:

-Air strikes
-Boots on the ground, backed by armor
-Do nothing and let Hamas keep operating

We've seen the condemnation from air strikes

We've seen the terrorism and slaughter of innocent Israelis that occurs from letting Hamas fighters live.

So that leaves a ground invasion.

[Mountainguy]

44. Every organization in Gaza

is controlled by Hamas. That included PRCS.

Enough people in this thread have pointed out the language used.

[TexasDem69]

47. I don't understand the so-called liberals

Who are questioning Israel’s right to defend itself from Hamas terrorists, or condemning the way Israel does so. There is no “genocide” and there is no “mass murder,” there is simply war resulting from Hamas’ murder—murder—of over 1,000 Israeli citizens. Those citizens were intentionally targeted by Hamas, who celebrated those murders, along with many Palestinians, including the mothers of Hamas murderers. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/idf-hamas-footage_n_6545662ee4b0e3ecaf897336/amp

[womanofthehills]

58. Tedros - IDF keeps bombing hospitals

We are extremely disturbed by reports of airstrikes in the vicinity of Al-Shifa hospital in #Gaza. Man

y health workers we were in contact with have been forced to leave the hospital in search of safety. Others report being unable to move due to grave insecurity. Many of the thousands sheltering at the hospital are forced to evacuate due to security risks, while many still remain there.

Since the 7th of October, @WHO has verified over 250 attacks on health care in Gaza and the West Bank.

Last week, WHO documented 5 attacks on 5 hospitals in one day in Gaza.

In the past 48 hours alone, 4 hospitals have been put out of action.

WHO is very concerned about the safety of patients, health workers and those sheltering in hospitals. They need immediate protection.

Link to tweet

?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

[PortTack]

61. This is the same kind of horrific brutality that russia imposes on Ukraine. These are war crimes...period!

[Ace Rothstein]

49. This Red Crescent?

Link to tweet

[Maru Kitteh]

62. Holy Shit.

[Think. Again.]

64. I don't have a twitter account so I can't...

...read or see any of the other posts around that video.

Could someone tell me what's going on in the vid? It looks like someone in a medic(?) vest retrieving an injured person's bag during crossfire. Is there more to this story that the public has learned?

[Ace Rothstein]

66. It is a weapon that the "medic" grabs and hands to another terrorist.

[Think. Again.]

77. There's a small lightweight weapon in the reddish bag?...

...I couldn't see that from the video and there is no explanation of what's going on, thanks.

[claudette]

53. It was reported that

over 10,000 murdered Palestinians in Gaza. Is the Israeli government honestly saying that ALL of them were "human shields?" Do they want people to believe them? Targeting innocents is a crime. No matter WHO commits it.