General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo there is an open discussion now happening on TFG essentially turning the US into a dictatorship if he wins
The reporting I've read is that plans are actually being made behind the scenes to do so. We watched PBS Newshour tonight and Brooks and Capehart were discussing it.
How can this even be remotely possible - and how can even a single American voter support this kind of thing?
The shark has been utterly jumped.
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Axelrods_Typewriter
(298 posts)
EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)as well. Trump is openly telling his followers of the horrors he will inflict on us if he wins. We need to take it seriously.
Trump's only defense against his criminal indictments is to get himself in the position that he will be untouchable. If he's President, he can make all his troubles disappear, along with his enemies.
The entire world will change if this vicious man wins our Presidency--again. We shouldn't find it laughable or implausible.
lastlib
(27,309 posts)The Pustule has absolutely forfeited his eligibility to hold any office in American life above sewer-licker.
SergeStorms
(19,854 posts)The American Federation of Sewer Lickers Local#22006 takes exception with that remark!
lastlib
(27,309 posts)the American Nazi Party membership, so I think we can live with it.... But I get your point..! 
SergeStorms
(19,854 posts)If there's a hornets nest somewhere, I'm always going to poke it with a stick. 😉
I've been stung a lot, but I just can't seem to resist the challenge.
soldierant
(9,212 posts)It's not a question of the level. It's an absolute prohibition. No government office
lastlib
(27,309 posts)not an actual government job, but still in the service of the government--right where he belongs.
soldierant
(9,212 posts)
Ferrets are Cool
(22,485 posts)
And, fox news tells them to. 
Maraya1969
(23,383 posts)saying that he always tries to get revenge. He has already committed the political prisoner act with Michael Cohen, (he was let out of jail to home confinement because of Covid and Trump made them put him back in jail)
usonian
(22,901 posts)And make a choice between democracy and fascism.
The heavily zombified cult members will of course, go along, but given a clear choice, and not just some vague mottos and jingos, people will make the right choice, Democracy.
He doesn't have the organized militia that Hitler had. And Putin can't spare the troops to come to his aid.
No more riggers and peekaboo's. Just straight sieg heil or Land of the Free.
Or whatever the Russian National Anthem is ...
hay rick
(9,262 posts)Task 1. GOTV and all the activist ways to make democracy work.
Task 2. Preparation for armed resistance if we fail to accomplish task 1.
AllaN01Bear
(28,273 posts)Silent3
(15,909 posts)Ho hum, democracy in peril, but, gosh, what about that old man Biden and this inflation?
ancianita
(42,723 posts)the U.S. Constitution, tolerates rule of law, but its mission is to run this country through political tools.
I've said this elsewhere.
Rules of conservation of the corporate:
1. Humans are temporary; the corporate is timeless.
2. Humans are the host whose energy is drawn for corporate profit.
3. Corporations rule, humans drool.
4. There is no law but corporate law.
5. There is no such thing as love, only corporate reality.
Media front human interests but serve corporate ends.
duckworth969
(1,051 posts)They serve one thing and one thing only at the expense of all else, themselves.
Link below on corporate personhood.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood#:~:text=The%20Citizens%20United%20majority%20opinion,or%20an%20association%20of%20people.
ancianita
(42,723 posts)"nothing personal, just business" clause; at which point the humans must be able to prove loss, harm, or damage to their life and liberty.
I still believe laws must include "charter death" as the penalty of collateral human damage, which corporations are responsible for foreseeing and avoiding, with accidental human death still being as punishable by charter suspension as voluntary manslaughter is punishable by prison.
The fact that fictional personhoods now span the globe doesn't immunize them from any humans' jurisdictional claims of loss, harm and/or damage, even if international law hasn't even been enforced across the human sphere.
This claim remains valid: that any entity that lives longer than human life spans should consistently undergo human review of its deserving, by human moral standards, to continue its legal fictional existence.
Such corporate reviews used to be the case.
One more thing. It's very real human oligarchs who hide from rule of law behind their shields of fictional personhoods. That's got to end.
duckworth969
(1,051 posts)Very thorough explanation and well-written, thanks for that.
Martin68
(26,787 posts)chaos. Corporations require robust infrastructure, and Dump allows infrastructure to decay and crumble.
MadameButterfly
(3,688 posts)as well as people. Any who slightly insult him, displease him, any that he would like to own. Even corporations will find out the freedom has its perks.
Martin68
(26,787 posts)who was humbled. Dump will do no better.
MadameButterfly
(3,688 posts)under his command. i hope you are right but I think we cannot know what power Trump could yield. Who would have thought the Republican party would follow him over a cliff? Will the military and police do the same in a Trump dictatorship?
Stargazer99
(3,399 posts)or are just too not paying attention that will make us a second Germany World War Two-that will reflect how well people can be manipulated
hedda_foil
(16,879 posts)News from the past week, using vague search terms (so you don't have to know anything in advance): "trump plans for next presidency."
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+plans+for+next+presidency&sca_esv=581570521&rlz=1C1CHZN_enUS956US956&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:w&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6-Mqt4LyCAxURkokEHb6WBGMQpwV6BAgBEAk&biw=1134&bih=488&dpr=1.41#ip=1
Sweeping Raids, Giant Camps and Mass Deportations: Inside Trump's 2025 Immigration Plans
33 mins ago
Los Angeles Times
Opinion: Trump promises vengeance and power grabs if he wins in 2024. Here's the plan.
2 days ago
Vanity Fair
Donald Trump Isn't Even Trying to Hide His Authoritarian Second-Term Plans
1 day ago
More news
Trump's more authoritarian second-term plans
Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › 2023/11/07 › 5-wa...
4 days ago — ... Donald Trump presidency. At 5 a.m. came President Biden's worst 2024 numbers yet: a New York Times-Siena College poll showing Trump leading in five of six ...
Biden trails Trump in 2024 US election's key states, polls ...
Reuters
https://www.reuters.com › world › biden-trails-trump-stat...
5 days ago — Democratic President Joe Biden trails Republican frontrunner Donald Trump in five of the six most important battleground states exactly a year before the ...
'A revenge term': what would another four years of Trump ...
The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › us-news › nov › donal...
9 hours ago — Opinion polls show the twice impeached, quadruply indicted ex-president narrowly leading Biden – and experts say 'it would be a disaster for America'
Trump's Recipe for a Shockingly Raw Power Grab
Politico
https://www.politico.com › magazine › 2023/11/07 › t...
4 days ago — The former president and his allies are reportedly planning to lay siege to the rule of law. Former President Donald Trump points during a rally.
Hear Trump hint at what to expect in his second term - YouTube
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com › watch
9:05
CNN's Abby Phillip breaks down former President Donald Trump's hints at revenge and plans to consolidate power in a second presidency.
YouTube · CNN · 15 hours ago
How Donald Trump plans to stay on the road and out of ...
The Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk › politics › 2023/11/05
5 days ago — Former US president's campaign is in the hands of some of the best Republican minds in the business who hope to sweep him back into power.
The Warnings About Trump in 2024 Are Getting Louder
The New Yorker
https://www.newyorker.com › News › Donald Trump
2 days ago — Susan B. Glasser writes about Donald Trump, the 2024 Presidential election, the third Republican primary debate, and a shock poll in the New York Times.
Sweeping Raids and Mass Deportations: Inside Trump's ...
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › U.S. › Politics
34 minutes ago — If he regains power, Donald Trump wants not only to revive some of the immigration policies criticized as draconian during his presidency, but expand and ...
Opinion: Trump promises vengeance and power grabs if ...
Los Angeles Times
https://www.latimes.com › opinion › story › donald-trum...
2 days ago — This week's scary 2024 polls only get scarier when you contemplate what the former president and his allies have in mind for a Trump presidency 2.0.
Martin68
(26,787 posts)I do get tired of the knee jerk reflex against "the media," making no distinctions between right wing and conspiracy-based media and good journalism.
appalachiablue
(43,745 posts)Silent3
(15,909 posts)...but mostly only in places where people who actively seek out that info will find it.
The current threat should be covered like a category 20 hurricane is on the way. As it is now, what you hear about the danger Trump and the current Republican party represent is too easily brushed off by "sensible" people as something that "must be" exaggeration or unreasonable panic or partisan lies.
After all, most election coverage still sounds like typical horse-race coverage. The Sunday shows bring on Republicans who might get some tough questions now and then, but maybe not even as tough as Democrats get, and are still treated as just "the other side".
Just another typical day in America. Nothing to get too worked up about.
sl8
(16,957 posts)I saw a similar complaint about how coverage of the Lewiston shooting had dropped to nothing, while my newsfeed was chock full of articles about it.
That's just the most recent example I can think of, but similar observations about the lack of coverage of some topic seen to come up often.
I don't watch cable/network news, other than clips, so I'm not very familiar with their coverage.
not fooled
(6,557 posts)Trump can't actually DO any of that--that's what Congress and the courts are for--they will stop him, so there.
And since the economy was PERFECT under Trump, said neighbor will vote for him, no matter what else he does.
If this country goes fascist, dumbasses such as this neighbor will be the reason why.
Bev54
(13,105 posts)his grudge against the two FBI agents - McCabe - Barr shutting down investigations and starting others with no predicate. I am sure there are many more that if I sat and thought about it. So we don't need to imagine what he would do, he was already doing it and it will be worse if he ever got another chance.
peggysue2
(12,338 posts)Who they are and what they plan to do..
Believe it.
The nightmare is real and approaching. 2024 is a pivot point, the results of which will last for generations. This is our moment to hold the barricades. For our kids, grand babies. For the future.
We can do this!
Rebl2
(17,262 posts)Hillary Clinton and certain other Democrats have said in past, listen to them and observe their actions. They are telling us, as you say, exactly what they plan to do and a lot of the media choose to ignore what they are saying.
Corporate media choose to ignore what their owners are saying and planning because corporate media believe themselves to have "no skin in the game," their only "game" being money, the lifeblood of human beings' energy, truth be told.
peggysue2
(12,338 posts)We need to open our ears, believe what they’re saying even though it sounds unimaginable.
Trump is now using Nazi propaganda language—eradicating vermin, eliminating the threat of tainting the country’s blood, setting up vast detention centers, seeking retribution against his opponents and critics, weaponizing the military.
It goes on and on and on.
We are being called upon to fight this with everything we have. God have mercy on us if we don’t.
Traildogbob
(12,338 posts)Not behind the scenes. The Project 2025 plan is available and spells it out in detail.
The GQP cult needs to be put down, like any terrorists enemy of the Nation. Starting now. , BEFORE 2024 elections.
Ferryboat
(1,203 posts)This is our moment to man the barricades. IF this man wins, its unthinkable what is going to happen. It will be ugly.
The plans being openly discussed are frightening.
Anyone see what Steven Miller has planned? Large camps, mass roundup, deportation is just the start for immigrants. Don't think for a minute it's going to end with just illegals being rounded up.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,840 posts)Except the word boot begins with the same letters as the words Ship and Shame and Tar and Feather that motherfucking Shithead.
Dave Bowman
(6,421 posts)So the stupid crook is pretty safe, IMHO.
Joinfortmill
(19,741 posts)The sooner he's in custody, the better
highplainsdem
(59,280 posts)in control.
And yeah, it's horrifying.
mzmolly
(52,559 posts)asking if one supports dictatorship or democracy? Because that is the choice if Trump is on any ticket.
Martin68
(26,787 posts)The absolutely do not treat him like a normal candidate. That’s an important distinction.
mzmolly
(52,559 posts)MSNBC gave him prime airtime.
Martin68
(26,787 posts)How else did we find out that he plans revenge, wants absolute power, and has no understanding of or respect for the constitution? Pretend he doesn’t exist?
mzmolly
(52,559 posts)Can't say I watched, but it sounds like you did.
Seems the 'exposure' to his 'idiocy' is helping him in the polls. Wonder why?
Edited to add the transcript: https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/transcripts/full-transcript-read-meet-the-press-kristen-welker-interview-trump-rcna104778
He was not 'exposed' he was given a platform to lie. And his lies often went unchallenged.
Martin68
(26,787 posts)in red states regardless of what the press reports. They aren’t watching Meet the Press and NBC news. Do you think Democrats were persuaded to vote for Trump because of exposure on legitimate sources of news? No way. Trump’s supporters aren’t reading details of the charges against him. They don’t have a clue because the information they get is from Fox and sources like that.
mzmolly
(52,559 posts)And, he's moving up in the polls with several groups in key states. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4303017-trump-2024-polls-electability-case/
Martin68
(26,787 posts)being accessed by potential Trump supporters. It only serves to inform non-MAGAts what a total asshole Dump really is.
mzmolly
(52,559 posts)has nothing to do with being treated like a sane presidential candidate by the likes of MSNBC.
https://deadline.com/2023/09/kristen-welker-meet-the-press-wins-total-viewers-1235550810/
Too bad Hitler is dead. I'm sure he too, would be fantastic for ratings!
Martin68
(26,787 posts)will eliminate civil rights for immigrants, women, LGBTQ individuals, African Americans, Latinos and every non-white non-cis-gendered male, while upholding the right for every white male to own as many guns as they want. Letting Trump show his true colors on the mass media hurts him with liberals, and has no effect on his base because they don't access that media.
mzmolly
(52,559 posts)about what Trump actually wants, thinking he had overseen 'the greatest economy ever' thanks to the media not challenging him on such statements.
Martin68
(26,787 posts)
Oneironaut
(6,171 posts)Most of America has no idea what Trump plans to do. They don’t follow politics. Then, you have the foaming-at-the-mouth right wing Fascists who literally want to start hanging the people they don’t like, and, are willing to destroy Democracy to get what they want.
A lot of those people are just bad people, too. They want to cause suffering because it makes them feel powerful. In the early 1900s, they would have been in the KKK.
birdographer
(2,937 posts)They don't follow politics. I keep running into this--one (now ex) friend is the poster woman for spoiled rich retiree. Her life is shopping, restaurants, and entertaining. Things like reading, following the news, and politics are far too boring. A total flake. Meanwhile, my cousin says it's all so stupid she has decided to just ignore it. She will vote blue, but that's the extent of her knowledge of what is happening in America. There are idiots on our side as well.
totodeinhere
(13,686 posts)Hitler came to power as a result of a legal democratic election. Could Trump do the same? And if so what could stop it? Don't Americans, ignorant or not have the right to vote for him is they choose? If the courts rule that he is not disqualified by the 14th Amendment then there is no legal way to stop him from running even if he is convicted in one of his trials prior to the election.
Ferryboat
(1,203 posts)The whole world is watching our political system jeopardize the international order, which depends on a strong America.
House of reps in total chaos, unable to govern in a time of international unrest.
Potential future president who is openly discussing throwing opponents of his future administration in prison or worse.
You may think tRump is only being hyperbolic. Not I.
Oneironaut
(6,171 posts)We’re in a dangerously complacent time against Fascists that the media is normalizing. They all still think Trump is a big joke that will go away.
If he wins again, he’s not going away. There’s going to be a civil conflict, or, at least an extreme Constitutional crisis.
AnnaLee
(1,342 posts)
RexLipton
(104 posts)There was another dynamic person who swore there was no possible way that Germany could have lost WW 1. Their victory had been stolen from them by (insert your favorite scapegoat here). They tried marching to take the reins of power. They were quickly shut down. After 6 months at Club Fed (where he took visitors, gifts and wrote his manifesto ) he realized that the only way to seize complete power and get revenge on those who stole their victory was to get into the system and dismantle it from there. Sound familiar?
Martin68
(26,787 posts)draconian penalties France and England inflicted on Germany, leading to unsustainable inflation and unstable government. There is general agreement that the penalties inflicted on Germany led to WWII.
RexLipton
(104 posts)But he believed that Germany was winning the war when Kaiser Wilhelm II abdicated the throne and went to Holland. He and many others believed that the only way this could possibly happen is if there were other forces within Germany working against them. The theory is false but the fact that the lie was readily accepted is true.
Yoyoyo77
(319 posts)because Germany could not have lost the war.
stopdiggin
(14,843 posts)there is surprising deep and broad support for authoritarian measures and methods running through the American public. Don't take my word for it - look at what the polling has been telling us ... (and not only in the case of Donald Trump)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/10/lot-americans-embrace-trumps-authoritarianism/
Martin68
(26,787 posts)
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,023 posts)He has no "plans." He probably doesn't remember what he said half an hour ago.
He doesn't understand his fraud case has already been lost, or that antagonizing the judge is not gonna help him.
He acts out on "social media" and at his fake rallies out of narcissistic rage and incompetent, brainless stupidity.
I'm sure there are agents of chaos like syphilitic oozing sores 90 proof Bannon, and lightbulb headed fugly klansman Miller, maybe drunken hair dye dripper Ghouliani, who dream up a conquest when they aren't half in the bag and/or hungover, but Slobby is totally and completely impotent.
The military is not going to answer any call for "the insurrection act." He's not gonna jail his enemies, or Democrats, or anybody else. GMAFB.
That pig will never squat in our White House, ever again.
PS. Please don't anybody say "we ignore him at our peril!!" like some melodramatic 1950s scifi B movie by Roger Corman or Ed Wood.
LuckyCharms
(21,239 posts)
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,023 posts) Oneironaut
(6,171 posts)He’s not a joke, and, he’s not stupid.
The idea of MAGAts occupying the capital was in the realm of the extreme too, until it wasn’t.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,023 posts)Eddie? Is that you?
I choose reality. 
Oneironaut
(6,171 posts)
CousinIT
(12,097 posts)history shows how leaders can get legitimately elected and then terminate elections, the opposition and a free press. “Hitler was duly elected,” Clinton added. “All of a sudden somebody with those tendencies, dictatorial, authoritarian tendencies, would be like, ‘OK we’re gonna shut this down, we’re gonna throw these people in jail.’ And they didn’t usually telegraph that. Trump is telling us what he intends to do.”
Trump, notorious for eschewing the politician’s dog whistle in favour of a megaphone, has been characteristically transparent about his intentions in a second term. He set the tone in March when, addressing the Conservative Political Action Conference, he framed the 2024 election as “the final battle” for America and told supporters: “I am your retribution.”
Trump has promised to pardon January 6 insurrectionists in a second term. The Axios website has reported on his plan to dismantle the “deep state” by purging potentially thousands of civil servants and appointing ideological loyalists. A recent New York Times newspaper article told how his team wants to fill the White House and government agencies with aggressive rightwing lawyers who would not challenge the expansion of presidential power.
And the Washington Post reported that Trump is discussing how to use the justice department to investigate or prosecute perceived enemies including his former chief of staff John Kelly, former attorney general William Barr and former joint chiefs of staff chairman Gen Mark Milley. The paper added that he is also considering invoking the Insurrection Act on his first day in office, which would allow him to use the military domestically to crush protests and dissent.
Allan Lichtman, a history professor at American University in Washington, said: “It would be a disaster for America. He’s already made it very clear that his second term is going to be a revenge term. He’s going to use the power of government to persecute and prosecute his enemies and to cement his own power, or at least the power of his allies and cronies.
Lonestarblue
(13,154 posts)I downloaded it from their site (project2025.org) for free. It was written mostly by members of the Heritage Foundation and former members of Trump’s administration. They plan to create an imperial presidency with no checks and balances on executive power. People forget that the Supreme Court has no ability to enforce its rulings, so once Trump and his sycophants are in charge, they will simply ignore any court rulings they don’t like. They plan to hire only lawyers like Eastman who are willing to take unconstitutional actions that are clearly illegal to support Trump’s every whim.
And if Trump wins (or they cheat him into office), he will likely have hundreds of top-level military appointments he can fill with those loyal only to him. With a military to obey his orders, a Congress with a possible Senate majority, and a neutered Supreme Court, we have an end to democracy and a dictatorship that will claim to be democratic but will not be.
The media has occasionally mentioned Project 2025, but most have just ignored it. Its contents need to be front and center every day. It’s 920 pages long, so it has a lot of details about how Republicans plan to overthrow democracy.
Army Brat
(151 posts)He have done it his first term?
Martin68
(26,787 posts)
BumRushDaShow
(164,359 posts)in any way, shape, or form (local/state/federal).
Every single previous President before him had either been "elected", "appointed", or served in some role in a government (e.g., including the military like Washington, Jackson, Harrison, Taylor, Grant or Eisenhower).
So since he had done none of that, he had zero idea about what the concept or point of "government" was in terms of operationalizing it... only that he knew he could supposedly "run a business". And everything he did was in the furtherance of using the U.S. as "his business" as he learned (or better, was told) about the power of the Presidency. And it wasn't long before the "unitary executive" loons got a foothold in.
I know I have posted before that this "Constitutional democracy" that is composed of a federal system of government, has been kept in place merely based on the "honor system", and once you break that, it's toast. And that is pretty much where we are unless we can make sure that he doesn't get back in again.
GiqueCee
(3,161 posts)He had to get elected before he could install corrupt judges and SCOTUS justices, and demonstrate to even skeptical Republicans – remember Lindsey Graham's original assessment of Trump? – that he had dirt on all of them, so they'd damn well better toe the line, and when he said JUMP, ask now high on the way down.
I've been watching this psychopath's circus for more than 40 years, and the vile obscenities that we see on a daily basis are only the teensy-weensy tip of a monstrous iceberg of staggering depravity.
He IS an imbecile on myriad levels, but he also has an unerring ability to pinpoint the prejudices of the room-temperature IQs that think the Sun shines out of his fat, pimply ass. THEY are the source of his power, because they will gleefully commit any and every manner of unspeakable atrocities in order to entertain him, and thereby gain his momentary approval. Until he tires of them and flicks a finger to order their immediate demise.
Underestimating the magnitude of his capacity for jaw-dropping evil will be the death of us all; do not doubt it for a nanosecond.
WarGamer
(18,187 posts)We have constitutional guard rails in place... the same ones that held from 2017-2021.
It won't be pleasant if he wins... it'll be a fight daily, just like it was in 2017...
But this talk of "end of democracy" is nonsense.
Let's not find out... GOTV and WIN in 24.
dpibel
(3,742 posts)Especially from one who, as I understand it, is a scholar of history.
Constitutional guardrails hold until they fail. They're not, after all, anything but an agreement; if one party breaches with sufficient force, who's the enforcer?
"The Supreme Court has made its decision, now let them enforce it."
I mean, this isn't really even conspiracy theory. The planning is out in the open. The ultimate unitary executive, with one Trump to rule them all.
How you can be so dismissive when the guardrails have been so challenged in the last few years is a wonder to behold.
WarGamer
(18,187 posts)Let's just NOT find out!
GOTV.
Hotler
(13,692 posts)Arresting and or killing his political enemy's and anyone that said mean things about him will be his second dick move.
Don't bother calling Merrick Garland's office, you'll just get a busy signal.
gulliver
(13,682 posts)That's a 75% landslide for the Dems, a huge win for America and the world's people. I'm not really sure how Dems got saddled with this "woke" nonsense anyway. I think we embraced the term, and then the definition changed to something ridiculous and harmful. It's like a Trojan Horse word.
To me, it's a word definition spat vs. the wellbeing of billions of people. No contest. Dump the word. MAGAs will lose power. Independents will join us in droves.
Poiuyt
(18,272 posts)I'm sure there are many Americans who actually want a fascist dictatorship here, but I'm also sure the vast majority do not. The media needs to alert people who Trump really is and what his plans are if he's elected again.
lees1975
(6,869 posts)If he's convicted, which he will be, that'll be the end of the media's ability to even claim that there are polls showing he is a viable candidate.
That kind of rhetoric should continuously be making headlines. I don't care how many "third party" candidates decide to run, if they even get enough money to stay in, this kind of talk will guarantee a Biden second term.
There are a lot of stupid people in this country, and a lot of uninformed people in this country, but not enough to elect that failure again, especially based on what he's saying now. His support has visibly declined.
bucolic_frolic
(53,566 posts)The model would likely be the Russian Revolution. Seize the legislature and suppress all competition.
Jrose
(1,511 posts)and a very big, blue tsunami of voters in 2024 to snuff out this plague of lying and greedy pseudo-christian fascists who are trying to hijack our democracy into an abyss.
D23MIURG23
(3,136 posts)Trump still has to deal with courts and civil servants and congress. Not that I want to see him get the opportunity, but I think there is a good chance he'd be frustrated again.
But, seriously, lets all fight like hell to avoid finding out. I'd much rather see him rot in a prison cell for the rest of his life than have to live through another Trump "presidency".
Initech
(107,077 posts)Look up Project 2025 if you haven’t - it’s some seriously scary, nightmare level shit. We have to stop this at all costs. 
https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-advocate-transphobic-authoritarian-project-113721115.html
LetMyPeopleVote
(173,617 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(173,617 posts)
Skittles
(168,915 posts)the man should not be allowed to participate in a government he does not believe in - PERIOD
RANDYWILDMAN
(3,118 posts)40 percent of idiots who are still idiots, brainwashed by propaganda, maybe, never to return to reality in my lifetime.
bucolic_frolic
(53,566 posts)marchellojones
(114 posts)promised to build a wall on the border, create the best health care plan... on the same week he is beating biden in the polls and putting his opponents in camps! Maybe democrats should focus on policy and how the make life for the 99% more affordable and forget this nonsense!
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)to shoot Trump on Fifth Avenue....
but Joe is too nice for that....
There is this thing, called the "C.I.A."...
/s
ColinC
(11,098 posts)The next one will be the real thing
RandomNumbers
(19,035 posts)Been asking that since 2016.
Even though the "thing" has gotten even worse since 2016, it was bad enough then to ask this question.
I was reflecting this morning that I have objectively been in a long term depression since some time that year.
LetMyPeopleVote
(173,617 posts)TFG is a big fan of Hitler and other dictators. The language in this speech is what dictators do. As note below, according to Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a historian at New York University “calling people 'vermin’ was used effectively by Hitler and Mussolini to dehumanize people and encourage their followers to engage in violence.”
Link to tweet
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/12/trump-rally-vermin-political-opponents/
“We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections,” Trump said toward the end of his speech, repeating his false claims that the 2020 election was stolen. “They’ll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and to destroy the American Dream.”
Trump went on further to state: “the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within. Because if you have a capable, competent, smart, tough leader, Russia, China, North Korea, they’re not going to want to play with us.”....
“The language is the language that dictators use to instill fear,” said Timothy Naftali, a senior research scholar at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs. “When you dehumanize an opponent, you strip them of their constitutional rights to participate securely in a democracy because you’re saying they’re not human. That’s what dictators do.”
Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a historian at New York University, said in an email to The Washington Post that “calling people 'vermin’ was used effectively by Hitler and Mussolini to dehumanize people and encourage their followers to engage in violence.”