Um... I'm Stumbling Over My Stereotypes... Can Someone Please Explain ?

[JackCoop]

Found amongst the hundreds of pictures from yesterday's march in London.



Am I missing something ?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. Many Jewish people condemn what the state of Israel is doing and/or support the Palestinians, and this

person appears to be one of them.

[Mossfern]

2. Neturai Karta

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta

[JackCoop]

3. Thank You For That

Still learning new things.

Never heard of these people before.

Again, thank you.

[marble falls]

4. No, you are not. There are conservative Jewish religious groups that are anti-Zionist ...

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List of Jewish anti-Zionist organizations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_anti-Zionist_organizations#Europe

Part of a series on
Jews and Judaism

Etymology Who is a Jew?

A list of notable Jewish anti-Zionist organizations.
Current and active

American Council for Judaism in the United States
Anarchists Against the Wall in Israel
Edah HaChareidis in Israel
Jerusalem Faction in Israel
Jewdas in the United Kingdom
Independent Jewish Voices in the United Kingdom and Canada
International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network based in the United States
Jewish Voice for Peace in the United States[1]
Malachim in the United States
Mishkenos HoRoim in Israel
Satmar in the United States
Union des progressistes juifs de Belgique
Shomer Emunim in Israel
Neturei Karta in Israel, Germany, the United Kingdom, and the United States
Sikrikim in Israel
Een Ander Joods Geluid in the Netherlands
International Jewish Labor Bund in the United States
Jewish Socialist Federation in the United States



Jews Against Zionism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_Against_Zionism

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the book by Thomas A. Kolsky. For Jewish opposition to Zionism, see Jewish Anti-Zionism.
Jews Against Zionism: The American Council for Judaism, 1942-1948


Front cover of Jews Against Zionism

Author Thomas A. Kolsky
Country United States
Language English
Subject Anti-Zionist Reform Judaism then-proposed establishment of the State of Israel.
Publisher Temple University Press
Publication date 1990
Media type hardback
Pages 269 pp
ISBN 0-87722-694-6
OCLC 20490845
Dewey Decimal
320.5/4095694 20
LC Class DS149.A1 K65 1990

Jews Against Zionism: The American Council for Judaism, 1942-1948 is a 1990 book by Thomas A. Kolsky, a professor of history and political science at Montgomery County Community College, based on his doctoral dissertation at The George Washington University.

In Jews Against Zionism, Kolsky describes the history of the American Council for Judaism, an organization specifically created to fight against both Zionism and a Jewish state.[1]







After Threats, Anti-Zionist Group’s Synagogue Burns, but Arson Is Doubted

This was Rebe Scherson's group. They've since move to upstate NY where they have several towns.
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/nyregion/03fire.html





We are crying with Palestinians: Jewish anti-Zionist group
‘Despite Muslims and Jews having lived together for centuries, Zionists claim opposition to their state is due to Muslims hating Jews,’ says anti-Zionist rabbi

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/we-are-crying-with-palestinians-jewish-anti-zionist-group/3038245

Sule Ozkan | 30.10.2023 - Update : 31.10.2023

ISTANBUL

Real believers in Judaism mourn the crimes being done to Palestinians by the state of Israel, as these violations are clearly barred by their faith, said a spokesman for an anti-Zionist group.

"In our religion, killing and stealing are clearly forbidden. (Israel), on the other hand, establishes its state by taking it from the Arabs. That's why we are crying with the Palestinians,” said Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a rabbi and spokesman for Neturei Karta, a group founded in Jerusalem.

-snip-

Weiss said there are many people who confuse Judaism and Zionism and are confused about this.

“Zionism is the ideology of the state of Israel, which tries to present itself as the Jewish state. They claim that they represent Jewish religion, they claim that they are speaking in the name of God.

-snip-

[JackCoop]

5. Wow... Thank You !!!

I got some catch-up reading to do.

[Mossfern]

8. Most of the groups are fundamentalists

With a few radical groups thrown in.
Those who belong to the mainstream Jewish movements - Modern Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist are Zionist in that they believe there should be a Jewish homeland in Israel. They are mostly not the settlers - that's mostly Ultra Orthadox.

[Mossfern]

9. Hamas, and other terrorist groups

want to eradicate all Jewish people. So, in fact some Muslims (a good amount) hate Jews.
How many Muslim countries welcome Jewish visitors, no less Jewish residents?

[marble falls]

10. And Iraq had a sizable Jewish population, including members of the government until the US showed up ...

... under the both Bush administrations.

[Mossfern]

13. Key word is

"had"

According to Edwin Shuker, a Jew born in Iraq in 1955 and exiled in Britain since he was 16, "there are only four Jews with Iraqi nationality who are descendant of Jewish parents" left in the country, not including the autonomous Kurdish region.

A turning point for Jewish history in Iraq came with the first pogroms in the mid-20th century. In June 1941, the Farhud pogrom in Baghdad left more than 100 Jews dead, properties looted and homes destroyed.

In 1948, Israel was created amid a war with an Arab military coalition that included Iraq.

Almost all of Iraq's 150,000 Jews went into exile in the ensuing years.

Their identity cards were taken away and replaced by documents that made them targets wherever they showed them.

The majority preferred to sign documents saying they would "voluntarily" leave and renounce their nationality and property.

Still today, Shuker said, Iraqi law forbids the restoration of their citizenship.

By 1951, 96 percent of the community had left.

Almost all the rest follow after the public hangings of "Israeli spies" in 1969 by the Baath party, which had just come to power off the back of a coup.

"Promotion of Zionism" was punishable by death and that legislation has remained unchanged.

- 'Normal life' elsewhere -

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210328-iraq-s-jewish-community-dwindles-to-fewer-than-five

[JI7]

14. The Jews were gone long before both Bush administrations

[Beastly Boy]

16. No it did not.

In 1974, about 400 Jews still lived in Iraq.... The last active synagogue closed in 2003, a few weeks before the 2003 invasion of Iraq

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iraq

[Beastly Boy]

15. Just a few notes on your list of andi-Zionist organuzations, as per

the Wikipedia page you cited:

American Council for Judaism in the United States - aka Jews for Hitler
Edah HaChareidis in Israel - an ultra-orthodox religious sect "inspired by militant anti-Zionist ideology"
Jerusalem Faction in Israel - same as above, Jerusalem faction
Malachim in the United States - a "small Hasidic group".
Mishkenos HoRoim in Israel - "very isolated and fervently conservative group, known for its virulent anti-Zionism"
Satmar in the United States - "characterized by extreme conservatism, ... rejection of modern culture,... fierce anti-Zionism.
Shomer Emunim in Israel - "characterized by fervent and visibly emotional prayer, and by a rigid lifestyle"
Neturei Karta in Israel, Germany, the United Kingdom, and the United States- "under the belief that the Jewish people are strictly forbidden from re-establishing sovereignty in the Land of Israel until the arrival of the Messiah
Sikrikim in Israel - extremist group of radical Haredi Jews ... anti-Zionist group thought to have roughly 100 activist members

Not going to comment on the far-left anti-zionist organizations, some of whom don't recognize Israel's right to exist, but all bur one of the far right organizations, likely represented by the picture in the OP, are religious zealots driven by messianic narrative that would deny the legitimacy to any non-Messsianic entity in any part of Palestine. They will only recognize a state that, according to biblical prophesies, will be created by the Messiah (and that ain't Jesus). Somehow, this doesn't impress me as being particularly pro-Palestinian.

[John Shaft]

6. I'm glad Judaism isn't pro-extermination

like some of the posts I read here.

[marble falls]

11. The exception being, of course, what is going on here in Gaza.

[marybourg]

7. Not to deny any of the above, but dress-up

is also possible. There’s a Christian sect that pretends to be Jewish and even has members who dress as Hasidic Jews. Anyone can do it.

[marble falls]

12. Look into everything I've presented for truth, the footnotes are there. Your Jewish Christians are NOT anti-Zionists ...

... and then you have a lot of RW "christian" groups that are anti-Semite in their day to day casual life (they believe "The" Jews own all news media, Hollywood, international banking etc) but are pro-Zionism because they are ritually trying to bring on the the Millennium by reestablishing the Temple of Jerusalem, genetically bring about the "red heifer" for a sacrifice, praying for the big war in the middle east, ect.

It's complicated. It's not simply every Muslim vs every Jew. Or every Jew against every Muslim.