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Nanjeanne

(6,589 posts)
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 04:21 PM Nov 2023

There are many Israeli Jews who give me hope. A few of them...


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By the way, Alon seated beside Sally Abed, a Palestinian and they are part of Standing Together, the largest grassroots Jewish-Arab organization in Israel. A worthy one to support for those interested. My cousins in Israel are part of it.

Brave people all. There are many more you can find for those who might think they are alone here.
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There are many Israeli Jews who give me hope. A few of them... (Original Post) Nanjeanne Nov 2023 OP
How will a peace settlement between Israel and Palestine stop Hamas from future attacks... brooklynite Nov 2023 #1
I am not involved in their political body and certainly not a part of Netanyahu's inner circle so I really think Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #3
You can negotiate with the Palestinian Authority. You cannot negotiate with Hamas. brooklynite Nov 2023 #4
Gee it's too bad that netanyahu and his ultra far right buddies made sure Hamas were in charge of Gaza then redqueen Nov 2023 #6
The Palestinian Authority didn't help... brooklynite Nov 2023 #7
OK. I'll tell Qatar to stop negotiating with Hamas and Israel. US too was involved in ongoing negotiations. But what Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #9
Its been a month since Israeli civilians were killed or taken hostage... brooklynite Nov 2023 #10
Yes well maybe the Israeli families of hostages that are marching for 5 days from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem chanting Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #11
"They aren't chanting bombs away." brooklynite Nov 2023 #12
For **** sake who said they were? You said there's no negotiating with Hamas. They beg to differ. Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #13
Just an FYI: inputting the link into archive.ph will make it visible. LauraInLA Nov 2023 #14
Thanks. Not sure what that means but I'll explore it 😂 Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #15
Sorry -- here's more detail LauraInLA Nov 2023 #16
But Hamas had already said there can be no peace with Israel. totodeinhere Nov 2023 #5
Few people in the US understand how politically diverse Israel is. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #2
"more diverse and more democratic than any in the Middle East." LexVegas Nov 2023 #8
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
1. How will a peace settlement between Israel and Palestine stop Hamas from future attacks...
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 04:27 PM
Nov 2023

...or free the civilian hostages they currently hold?

Nanjeanne

(6,589 posts)
3. I am not involved in their political body and certainly not a part of Netanyahu's inner circle so I really think
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 05:12 PM
Nov 2023

your question is above my pay grade.

Here's my best guess. Nothing Israel is doing now will get rid of Hamas. If every Hamas person is killed - something will always come to take their place. You don't murder every single person and think that the children of those who survive being collateral damage will embrace Netanyahu's way. That's what many people believe - so while I may be an aging peacenik from long ago --- obviously I'm not alone in my thinking.

So -

Peace is negotiation. Freeing hostages is negotiation. You don't make peace with your friends. You make peace with your enemies. You cannot have peace with unequal rights. Perhaps new leaders in both Israel and among Palestinians can find a way. Perhaps we look at how peace and the end of apartheid came to South Africa. Perhaps we look at the resolution of the conflict in Northern Ireland and the Joint Declaration of Peace in 1993.

Perhaps they shift the paradigm. Perhaps a rights-based approach that espouses universal values and norms would help. Perhaps the United States has a real role to play in working towards a rights-based solution. A military occupation isn't going to do it.

...Edited to say - this was a post of hope. It was a post of respect for humanity. It was a post of gratitude for those Israeli and Palestinians who want to work towards peace. It was for those people who feel beaten down by the endless stream of man's inhumanity to man. It once again devolved into something it never was intended for. So sad.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
4. You can negotiate with the Palestinian Authority. You cannot negotiate with Hamas.
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 05:16 PM
Nov 2023

The ANC and the IRA were fighting for political rights, not for the elimination of their opponents.

redqueen

(115,186 posts)
6. Gee it's too bad that netanyahu and his ultra far right buddies made sure Hamas were in charge of Gaza then
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 05:25 PM
Nov 2023

What an unfortunate coincidence that totally wasn't intentional

Nanjeanne

(6,589 posts)
9. OK. I'll tell Qatar to stop negotiating with Hamas and Israel. US too was involved in ongoing negotiations. But what
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 05:30 PM
Nov 2023

the hell - Let's bomb the shit out of everyone - and let God sort it out.

Good answer.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
10. Its been a month since Israeli civilians were killed or taken hostage...
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 05:33 PM
Nov 2023

...perhaps I'll wait to see what transpires before reconsidering the ability of Hamas to be a negotiating partner.

Nanjeanne

(6,589 posts)
11. Yes well maybe the Israeli families of hostages that are marching for 5 days from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem chanting
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 05:38 PM
Nov 2023

will have some sway. They aren't chanting bombs away.

Holding signs of their missing loved ones, yellow ribbons, and Israeli flags, and chanting “Bring Them Home,” hundreds of families of Israeli hostages in Gaza set out Tuesday on a five-day trek from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem demanding that the Israeli government facilitate a deal for the return of all the hostages and make .


It's from Haaretz. I can't post the link since you need to be a subscriber to view their articles (I am but the link won't allow you).

But you can certainly find out about this march to "Bring Them Home" online.

Nanjeanne

(6,589 posts)
13. For **** sake who said they were? You said there's no negotiating with Hamas. They beg to differ.
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 05:42 PM
Nov 2023

Can we give it a rest? Or not . . . I'm done though.

LauraInLA

(2,248 posts)
14. Just an FYI: inputting the link into archive.ph will make it visible.
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 06:34 PM
Nov 2023

Sometimes I feel guilty for using it instead of paying for media, but I can’t afford to subscribe to everything.

LauraInLA

(2,248 posts)
16. Sorry -- here's more detail
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 10:37 PM
Nov 2023

There is a website with the address archive.ph — use that web address, and you’ll see a red box at the top of the page that says, “My url is alive and I want to archive its contents”. Input the web address of the page you’d like to read, then press Save. It might take a minute, but as it archives the page it will render it so you can read the whole thing.

totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
5. But Hamas had already said there can be no peace with Israel.
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 05:23 PM
Nov 2023

Hamas will continue to murder Jews every chance it gets until Israel is no more. That is their stated goad as emphasized by one of their leaders recently. So how can Israel negotiate with an entity like that?

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
2. Few people in the US understand how politically diverse Israel is.
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 04:29 PM
Nov 2023

This is a diverse and democratic society, more diverse and more democratic than any in the Middle East.

LexVegas

(6,959 posts)
8. "more diverse and more democratic than any in the Middle East."
Tue Nov 14, 2023, 05:28 PM
Nov 2023

That goes without saying.

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