68% of US Public Wants Gaza Cease-Fire: Poll - Reuters/Ipsos

[VernaF]

From CommonDreams:

68% of US Public Wants Gaza Cease-Fire: Poll
The Reuters/Ipsos poll also found that support for Israel had dropped by nearly 10 percentage points since the last edition on October 12 and 13.

Nearly 70% of Americans think that Israel should call a cease-fire in its attack on Gaza, a Reuters/Ipsos poll released Wednesday has found.

Around 68% of respondents answered that they agreed with the statement that "Israel should call a cease-fire and try to negotiate," Reuters reported. When broken down by party, around half of Republicans and three-quarters of Democrats backed this view, meaning President Joe Biden is acting against the will of the majority of his party as he refuses to urge Israel to stop its assault.

"The majority of Americans oppose this massacre of Palestinians in Gaza, so why is Biden still supporting it?" Justice Democrats asked on social media.

The new poll, which was conducted online Monday and Tuesday, surveyed 1,006 adults from across the country. It also found that support for Israel had dropped by nearly 10 percentage points since the last Reuters/Ipsos poll on October 12 and 13. When asked what role the U.S. should play in the conflict, around 32% said "the U.S. should support Israel," down from 41% in mid-October. The number agreeing that "the U.S. should be a neutral mediator" rose from 27% to 39%.

Link: https://www.commondreams.org/news/68-americans-gaza-cease-fire

[David__77]

1. The main thing is for the US to do less - cut military aid and diplomatic support.

The US cannot force a ceasefire. It most certainly can cut military aid and diplomatic support under the current conditions.

[speak easy]

19. Military aid to Israel (and Egypt)

is provided under the terms of The Camp David Accords.

[David__77]

27. The US does not have to provide it to either state. Besides which, it's not codified in the accords.

[MyNameIsJonas]

2. There was a ceasefire already in place. Hamas broke it.

A ceasefire will only embolden Hamas to attack again, as they've said they will multiple times already. Anyone calling for a ceasefire is either doing it out of naivete or out of support of Hamas knowing it'll result in more Jews being murdered.

I get the impression there's a significant amount of people who really truly don't want a ceasefire on both sides - they just want Israel to not respond to events like 10/7.

[VernaF]

3. No... Many Of Us Hoped Israel Would Not Be Suckered Into An Overkill Over-Reaction

Because I believe that's EXACTLY the reaction Hamas wanted. And Bibi gave it to them.


The Dangerous History Behind Netanyahu’s Amalek Rhetoric - MotherJones

Link: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/benjamin-netanyahu-amalek-israel-palestine-gaza-saul-samuel-old-testament/

Comparing Hamas to Amalek, our biblical nemesis, will ultimately hurt Israel - JWeekly

Link: https://jweekly.com/2023/11/02/comparing-hamas-to-amalek-our-biblical-nemesis-will-ultimately-hurt-israel/

Bibi Netanyahu's Bible lessons: How he pushes Gaza war to Jewish and Christian far right - Salon

Link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/bibi-netanyahus-bible-lessons-how-he-pushes-gaza-war-to-jewish-and-christian-far-right/ar-AA1jPSf9

[jimfields33]

4. Israel is killing Hamas terrorists.

That the sole reason for their campaign. Not sure how it’s so difficult to see. October 7th was solely hamas’ fault and so is every moment after until the present second and the every second in the future that Israel takes to rid the world of the Hamas terrorists.

[VernaF]

7. What's The Ratio ???

What's the number of killed on both sides ?

And... is it proportional ?

Because International Law has some rules abou proportionality.

[jimfields33]

11. Are there still Hamas terrorists?

That’s the sole question.

[VernaF]

12. And You Think You'll Know... When They've Killed The Last Hamas Terrorist ???

Wow... that's some magical thinking.

[brush]

31. How many more non-combatant Palestinian deaths does that require?

There are already 11,000 and counting...is that not enough?

[inthewind21]

66. Are they

So do tell, where's the reporting on that? I have searched and all I can find is an article where Israel claims they killed 1500 Hamas fighters ON 10/07/23. So how many since they started bombing 39 days ago?

[treestar]

95. how many Hamas fighters are there

does anyone know that - plus those who support them.

We do have an example, as we did the same thing re Al Qaeda. How did we know we had them all and could withdraw from Afghanistan?

[iemanja]

70. So Israel has no responsibility for its own actions?

And no agency? They are mere robots propelled by Hamas? How absurd. Why the lack of empathy for the thousands of Palestinian civilians being killed? They don't even seem to exist in your analysis. This poll seems to indicate that a majority of Americans are concerned for those lives.

What Hamas did was horrific, but Israel is responsible for how it has reacted and how it reacts in the future. Nor is Hamas a justification for settler abuses in the West Bank. It's clear some in Israel are using the Hamas attack as an excuse to take land that isn't theirs.

[angrychair]

90. Not saying it's a good situation

Nor is what is happening in the West Bank. There are absolutely bad actors in Israel.
All that said, what exactly do you think Hamas has and is doing to the Palestinian people?
Hamas took control of the country 17 years ago and refused to hold elections since. The leaders of Hamas are worth billions. The very elaborate tunnel system in Gaza was built with international funds meant to help Palestinians in Gaza.
These people suffer and struggle and die and it's not all the fault of Israel.

[treestar]

97. can the leaders be ferreted out and killed?

We don't seem to know who they are - as a parallel to 911, with Al Qaeda somehow the leaders were known and in fact the ultimate leader was named. Can anyone on DU even name a person?

If they are worth billions, it would be possible to find their mansions and bomb those?

So far the debate is Israel must respond the way they are - there is no other possibility, and even suggesting there might be means you think Israel is not allowed to defend itself, and that it is anti-semitic to do anything other than support Israel's response wholeheartedly.

[angrychair]

99. Well, no we shouldn't

We shouldn't give Israel unlimited time and discretion to cripple the Hamas infrastructure in Gaza. I think international pressure and oversight is not a bad thing because there are absolutely rightwing elements in the Israeli government that needs to have their zealotry kept in check.

As far as the leaders of Hamas we actually everything there is to know about them.there are three main leaders that are public facing and live in mansions in Qatar. I mean Israel likely has their addresses in Doha. I would suspect that their tone is coming, I do not see Israel letting those guys live.

[treestar]

100. True, and then taking them out

would have an effect of weakening of Hamas, we'd hope - they make it easier by not even being in Gaza. Then who is leading the operations in physically Gaza that lead to the 10-7 attack - they appear difficult to ferret out.

The problem is I can see there is a point that destroy Hamas and another group will develop - until there is no Palestinian opposition (as seems to have been the expectation from the beginning), and how is that to be achieved. Every atrocity of one side give the other a victimization to use for justification of the next atrocity. Thus it has gone on and on over the years.

Though what Hamas expected to get out of this attack is hard to fathom. Sure they intend to destroy Israel, but obviously they physically cannot do that and 10-7 did nothing toward that goal for them.

Maybe instead of military aid to Israel, the world could make life great for the Palestinians, enough to mean they will be too comfortable to oppose the existence of Israel? Just brainstorming.

[angrychair]

101. Oh, I think they achieved their goal

The goal was to goad Israel into doing exactly what it's doing right now. The hope though was that the more extreme elements of the Israeli government would be leading the military operations in Gaza. I think they were at first but the world actually stood up and paid attention to what was happening and they likely had to scale back their operations.

My concern is absolutely with the Palestinian people and also with what comes next.
Right now a significant portion of Gaza is uninhabitable and will be for a long time. How that infrastructure gets repaired and who pays for it is a big question that hasn't been answered yet. I think there are three people in Qatar that have billions of dollars to "donate" to the cause though.

[MyNameIsJonas]

5. I get it.

A low response, maybe measured in its action, is what you wanted. I totally understand. But again, it's either coming from a place of naivete or support of Hamas continuing to exist knowing they'll continue doing events similar to 10/7 because that's what they've said they want to do - multiple times in fact.

The only right response is to end Hamas. That's it. There is no middle ground. So, those who feel there is an outcome where Hamas retreats and keeps its existence is again either based in ignorance, as they're approaching this situation similar to previous Hamas attacks (which it was not by any stretch of the measure) or they want Hamas to continue to exist because they support their actions against Israel and ultimately want Israel wiped off the face of the earth, as Hamas has stated is their goal.

That's the reality. Any call for a ceasefire is not compatible with the idea of peace because we've already seen Hamas does not respect a ceasefire. So, ignoring those who are naive to the situation and have hope that both sides can coexist (which isn't reality but hey, they're at least coming from an argument of peace), the only other people calling for a ceasefire have no interest in Israel existing or Jewish lives being protected. I can say that so emphatically because a ceasefire was broken on 10/7 with horrific results, children massacred, hostages taken (who are still being held hostage btw) and the response to Israel reacting is to call another ceasefire.

Again, these people want Israel to not decimate Hamas.

Well Hamas has got to go. They've proven that ceasefires don't work and that they're ready to move beyond just spats and into horrific massacres.

They want every inch of Israel wiped off the map. You can't support a ceasefire with a group who has made that their mission - no more than you could have supported a ceasefire with Hitler in the 1940s.

[VernaF]

10. And How, EXACTLY, Will You Know Hamas Is Gone ???

Another group, called another name, probably filled with people who survived the rubble of Gaza, will come into being, and form up to avenge the events of 2023.

And it will go on, and on, and...

There was a sign at the London protests he other day. It said...

It All Started October 7th, 2023

It All Started In 1948


I'd have put a line through that, and said:

I all started 2000 Fucking Years Ago


The descendants of Abraham should be ashamed.

[MyNameIsJonas]

13. So your argument is to continue letting Hamas murder Jewish babies.

Got it.

[VernaF]

22. No... My Argument Is That Entities Like Hamas Will Never Be Gone, As Long As

the conditons for their creation remain.

This fight is 2000 years old.

It's way deeper, and more ancient, than any other human conflict than I know of.

Every try at resoluiton has been a band-aid so far.

[MyNameIsJonas]

25. Got it. So, it's Israel's fault Hamas exists.

Do you also victim blame rape victims?

[VernaF]

29. Hey Jonas... Bro... You 10 Years Old ???

[inthewind21]

67. Sure

appears to be.

[MyNameIsJonas]

71. No. But it doesn't take an adult to see your victim shaming.

[treestar]

98. you aren't arguing in good faith

your last two responses are straw men.

Also we've seen it stated Gazans are to blame for what is happening to them. They elected Hamas.

There can be no end until there is no opposition from any Palestinian. "A land without a people for a people without a land." If the Palestinians would just not exist, as that saying sets forth.

[RainWalker]

60. Yes literally it is

Hamas was literally started because of the oppression and exploitation the Palestinian people face. Maybe if Israel treated the Palestinian people like normal people instead of less than human, none of this would have happened.

Oppressed people will rise up and fight. We've seen this in countries like Romania, South Africa, and even Ukraine. And while I don't support or agree with Hamas, what did Israel think was going to happen?

[MyNameIsJonas]

75. What a terrible take.

And a woeful understanding of history. Maybe read up on what Israel faced in its early existence and then re-think your idea of oppression. The only group doing the oppression is Hamas.

Better yet: go visit and synagogue and see if you can find a holocaust survivor. Maybe they can teach you about oppression.

[RainWalker]

79. Well I certainly didn't mean to upset you

Sorry.

I understand the historical context but I don't think we can deny what's happening when other countries are referring Israel to the ICC for war crimes.

[MyNameIsJonas]

84. If Israel is guilty of it, so are we.

And pretty much every nation ever who's entered war. It seems impossible to have a conflict where war crimes aren't committed. It sucks. It's awful. But it's the brutality of war.

[redqueen]

68. Yes, it is. And your comparison is DISGUSTING

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from
...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

[MyNameIsJonas]

77. More victim blaming.

By that logic, let's blame the Palestinians in Gaza too because they're the ones who voted in Hamas back in 2006.

Oh but that doesn't fit your narrative about the region.

Blaming Israel for what happened on 10/7 absolves Hamas. That is truly disgusting and no different than my example.

Hamas alone is culpable. Not Israel.

[WarGamer]

26. You made the most profound and accurate comment in the thread and it was ignored. I'm sorry.

[VernaF]

28. No Worries, This Whole Thing Has Been Predictable From The Start

Thank you though.

[LuvLoogie]

37. Do you think Netanyahu regrets

legitimizing Hamas as a countermeasure to Palestinian Authority influence?

He's going to have to kill ALL the Palestinians in order to kill all the people who refer to themselves as Hamas or at least everyone he thinks is Hamas

I mean he really can't be sure, can he?

I mean do you think he fucked up at all over the years?

[RainWalker]

8. 6,392 Palestinians in 2018

we're wounded by sniper fire while protesting in the West Bank. And that's only the injuries there, not deaths.

What ceasefire?

[MyNameIsJonas]

14. So good. We agree. A ceasefire is ridiculous.

[RainWalker]

16. No we don't agree

Not supporting a ceasefire is supporting more bloodshed. We need a ceasefire immediately.

Let's not become separated from our humanity.

[MyNameIsJonas]

18. And what happens when, in a month, after regrouping, Hamas massacres 2,000 more Israelis?

We already know Hamas does not respect any level of ceasefire. We also know Hamas has said multiple times their plan is to achieve more 10/7-like events. But you seem to believe that somehow a ceasefire with a terrorist organization will be adhered to?

Or are you just indifferent to the attacks from Hamas? Because if your response to 10/7 is to yell ceasefire, I can only assume your response to another massacre would be to demand Israel not retaliate. Sure sounds like you're okay with bloodshed - just as long as it's Jews.

[RainWalker]

20. Pretty funny given

That Israel didn't respect the ceasefire at all. How many Israeli's were killed between 2015-2023 compared to Palestinians?

That's a statistic you should definitely check.

What we need is a UN monitored ceasefire.
And leave the innuendos that I'm antisemitic out. We're adults and we can discuss things logically and rationally without an emotionally perspective with passive aggressive toxicity so let's do that.

Let's be honest, too many innocent people are dead. I want the deaths of innocent people to completely end. Their lives matter..

[MyNameIsJonas]

24. Again, what happens when Hamas massacres 2,000 more Israelis like they've said they're going to do?

The UN is not equipped to handle Hamas. C'mon now. Let's be serious. Unless you want the US to send in troops to mandate a ceasefire, which is just insane (as would be insane to send in troops to support Israel's fight in Gaza), you're essentially daring Hamas to attack again - and let's be clear: Hamas has said they will repeat the 10/7 attacks.

There is no practical ceasefire when one side is hellbent on Israel's complete and total destruction. That ideology doesn't just end. Hamas has made it clear what their goals are. I'm not sure why, after what happened on 10/7, no one seems to believe them.

[TexasDem69]

30. I doubt you'll get an answer

Folks just spout “ceasefire” and “war crimes” and have no real suggestions other than “Israel is bad.”

[RainWalker]

57. Well I certainly don't behave that way

Healthy discussion is good.

[RainWalker]

58. And Israel has said what?

They're literally admitting their plans with Gaza and the Palestinian people out loud in front of everyone. Mass deportations is literally a symptom of genocide.

Understand you can never beat an ideology. Ever. From the Nazi's to groups like Al-Qaeda and Isis, we fought them all. Did we eradicate them? No. It's simply not possible to make an ideology disappear and by killing so many innocent people, many of whom are kids, you create an even larger problem. Those kids who's friends, family, and parents that were killed? They just officially because radicalized, thousands of them.

The UN certainly is equipped to enforce a ceasefire. I'm unsure why you'd think otherwise.

The only way the killing of innocent civilians stops is with a ceasefire. And what exactly is your plan? Let's say you destroy Hamas (which you literally can't do) then what? What happens with all the Palestinian people? Gaza? The West Bank?

[Big Blue Marble]

54. So how many Gazan children should die in your scenario of taking out

every Hamas militant? Did the US have to kill every Isis terrorist to
stop the war? No they did not.

Just curious how many dead Palestinians can you handle?
Without a cease fire, things are going to get really ugly soon
These people need shelter; many are sleeping on the ground without cover
and its getting cold. Many are getting sick from the overcrowding.
And others are just starving to death. Oh and then there are the bombs
and often no way to the hospital for the injured.

What you think 100,000 children? Or do you have a limit?

[sheshe2]

49. Source?

A picture?

[RainWalker]

59. I hope this helps

I thought I bookmarked the source as per usual but I'm unable to find it. However I did find something very informative and this shows a lot more. I'm rather astonished to be honest and had no idea the amount of injuries were so high.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/two-years-on-people-injured-and-traumatized-during-the-great-march-of-return-are-still-struggling/]

[treestar]

96. why did you add the last part?

this seems to be a trend in the argument from this side. Don't respond to the point. Accuse the interlocutor of anti-semitism. At least the naivete gave some people an out.

[lapfog_1]

6. ok, let's say there is a cease fire

is anyone stupid enough to believe that Hamas will honor it?

negotiate for what? Release of the hostages? and what else?

Can you negotiate for the murder of 1400 civilians including women and children?

Would anyone here negotiate with murderers of their families?

What Hamas did was selective and personal... they chased down their victims and shot or knifed them. Or tossed grenades into bomb shelters full of unarmed people... and shot those that tried to make a run for it.

What the networks should do is release the video take BY HAMAS... of the attack on Oct 7., Show it over and over.

Then take another poll.

[MyNameIsJonas]

15. No. They just want Israel to take it on the chin.

I'm starting to think many are hoping thousands more Jews are killed and Israel is annihilated.

[yardwork]

41. How do you know what it's about?

[yardwork]

43. Apparently, Israel is now the only nation on earth expected to ignore an attack.

The U.S. sure as hell responded to attacks on Pearl Harbor and on 9/11. The Brits responded to being bombed by Nazis. Everybody in the history of human civilization responds to attacks but for some reason Israel is supposed to stand down.

[inthewind21]

69. Not

sure I be touting the colossal 20 year failure that was the response of 9/11. Which by the way, Israel is on the path to repeating.

[yardwork]

74. I can say with total accuracy that I was 100% opposed to the U.S. response to 9/11 from day one.

In fact, my feelings about this led to very significant personal upheavals, including divorce. So no, I've never touted that at all.

Just noticing that a whole bunch of Americans are way more worried about what Israel is doing than they were in 2001 and 2003. And believe me I know, because it was lonely on my side.

[inthewind21]

80. I can

Relate. Myself and my EX were on opposing sides. I was totally against. And I see Israel making the same mistakes made now that were made after 9/11. Israel is playing right into the already established "how to bait a country, evoke a specific response, an over- response, and turn world opinion against them" because of said over response playbook. Like I said down thread, we've already seen this movie. And it doesn't end well and nothing is accomplished except LOTS of dead and the creation of generations of new terrorists. Only difference, Israel is sitting right smack in the middle of 'The Axis of Evil" if you will. If people don't see this "war" could very likely suck the US right into another 20 year exercise in futility, and blow up the ENTIRE M/E they are fooling themselves. Bibi has already stated this would take 10 years. You think the "war on terrorism was bad", just wait until this one gets going in full swing.

[yardwork]

81. I don't disagree with any of that. However, it's not a reason to vote against Biden.

The other relevant historical marker is the 2016 election, where a well-coordinated propaganda campaign divided Democrats and installed Trump, by design.

I see the same tactics starting up again. I trust the Biden administration to do the best we can in an almost impossible situation.

[inthewind21]

82. Well

if people decide to vote against Biden over Israel, democrats specifically, then we deserve to lose the election. I'm capable of holding two different trains of thought at the same time regarding 2 different things. I am also not so naive to think that I will 100% agree with ANY elected official so I need to pick my battle wisely. I am completely and utterly against the US getting involved in Israel's "war on terrorism" and believe Israel is making the same stupid mistakes the US did after 9/11. But I also completely understand that Trump, or ANY Republican CANNOT be elected POTUS. Period! So if Biden signed an order today and sent US troops to Israel, I'd be against it and I'd likely protest it. But come election time, I'll vote Biden! THAT should be a no brainer.

[yardwork]

83. Same here. But it's clear that something is afoot.

I'm sure that you weren't confused about who to vote for in 2016, but unfortunately a bunch of Americans were.

[inthewind21]

85. I have

1 simple rule when it comes to voting. I ask myself 1 single question. Not who will benefit ME. Not, who gives me the warm and fuzzies. Not who do I agree with 100% of the time. Nope, I ask, who will do the least damage. I was in no way a fan of John Kerry in 2004. I campaigned for Howard Dean. And where it was a bitter pill to swallow, I willingly swallowed it with zeal and went to convention a Kerry Delegate then I FUCKING VOTED KERRY! Did I like him, nope. Did I agree with him on everything, nope. But he was the obvious answer to the one question.

Edited to add, I use the 1 question rule for POTUS elections. Because for me, there are ONLY 2 choices, the R or the D. 3rd party is completely irrelevant because a 3rd party is nothing more than a spoiler. History shows us that time and time again, yet some still choose that path then wonder why we end up with shit. Disclaimer, it's NEVER been anything BUT a D for my entire voting life, for any office. Because I feel THAT is also a no brainer!

[yardwork]

86. I really liked Howard Dean, too.

Still feel a little bitter about what the media did to him.

[inthewind21]

87. I'll

never get over that. I was actually there, in that room when the so called "Dean Scream" happened. It was a complete fabrication!

[yardwork]

88. Oh wow. I didn't know that.

I thought at the time that it was ridiculous of the media to make anything about it. I didn't see the problem.

I'm glad that we had a chance to talk and find some common ground. I really appreciate it. Sometimes DU feels very anonymous. Today I feel that I made a good connection. Thanks.

[inthewind21]

89. You're welcome.

It was a pleasure. And yes, they did. He was using a noise cancelling mic so you couldn't hear how deafening it was in that room. And It was indeed ear splitting in that room. And the media totally pounced and portrayed him as unhinged I was livid! here are a few links regarding. Have a great rest of your day!

p.s. Ever hear of the Dean Dozen? I vaguely remember one of the original dozen, a no name. Met him once during the Dean campaign. He was going to run for the Senate! All I knew about him was he was a senator in IL and he had a funny name.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deans-scream-not-what-it-seemed/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/the-dean-scream-what-really-happened/

[RainWalker]

61. That's definitely not what I want

And a massive majority of Democrats and American people agree with my sentiment over a ceasefire. You're on the wrong side of the argument here, not I.

How many dead innocent people is enough for you? Hmm? How many?

[RainWalker]

62. You're on the wrong side of the argument

Not I. And a massive majority of Democrats and American people support a ceasefire.

Hamas honored the ceasefire much longer than Israel ever did. Thousands of Palestinian people have been injured and killed due to things like Israel snipers since 2018.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/two-years-on-people-injured-and-traumatized-during-the-great-march-of-return-are-still-struggling/]

Oppressed people will rise up. What did Israel think was going to happen when they treat the Palestinian people as less than human? Hamas was literally created as a reaction to that oppression. And while I don't agree or support Hamas, it's pretty obvious the powder keg was going to explode at some point just as it did in South Africa.

These figures below are just 2 years, 2018 and 2019. Does that sound like a ceasefire to you?

[themaguffin]

9. "cease fire"- it's like when people both sides the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine.

[former9thward]

17. What percent of the U.S. public can find Gaza on a map?

Did the poll ask that question?

[gulliver]

23. New Headline: CommonDreams Proves CommonDreams Posts Lies with Article

From the article in the OP: "'The majority of Americans oppose this massacre of Palestinians in Gaza, so why is Biden still supporting it?' Justice Democrats asked on social media."

No evidence is offered of any American saying anything was a "massacre" that they "opposed."

Therefore, CommonDreams lied.

QED

Basically, rat face Putin and his friends in Iran decided they could get some relief in Ukraine (for Putin) and could keep the Arab nations from negotiating peace.

What do you think of that theory Verna? It seems reasonable to me.

[lapucelle]

33. And they're repeating Justice Democrats talking points?

[lapucelle]

34. Justice Democrats is a pretty disgusting outfit.

[GuppyGal]

36. If they don't want to be a part of it why the fuck are they even calling themselves Democrats?

Oh and PS nobody even knows who the fuck they are so there's that

[lapucelle]

38. They're also bankrupt, both morally and literally.

Justice Democrats always struck me, first and foremost, as a grift.

[sheshe2]

53. That is putting it mildly.

Thanks for the links, lapucelle. That says it all.

[mzmolly]

47. CommonDreams has always done the work of the right wing

while feigning to be progressive.

[sheshe2]

55. Yep, they are far far far left...

And link to far far far right at the bottom of the horseshoe.

[mzmolly]

64. Yet they help advance the right wing

agenda. I might question their intentions if I didn't realize they were just ignorant.

[sheshe2]

50. Justice Democrats

That says it all. Ugh!

[TexasDem69]

32. Why would Israel base its defense strategy

On public opinion in the US? I would think that folks on DU are more educated than the average voter and understand Hamas must be eliminated, every death in Gaza is the direct fault of Hamas, and Israel is acting appropriately.

[kwolf68]

39. Wake me when Hamas is gone

I expect to sleep a long time. Israel's actions are NOT perfect going back through the past. Anyone saying Israel is totally innocent is just dumb. (Disclaimer: I believe in a Jewish state and the attacks on them oct 7 were horrific and I am appalled)

But I digress. It is complete folly to think Israel is gonna level Gaza and Viola' Hamas is gone. Is this what people actually believe? Lets just kill everyone there, because fuck they are using kids as human shields so the kids have to die.

Meanwhile, you won't get rid of Hamas, that I can promise you. YOu may "get rid of Hamas" in Gaza by annihilating everyone living there, but Hamas will live on. There will be no meeting on a battleship where Hamas leader gives unconditional surrender of this war. What you are going to get is a response to the response of the response. Wash/rinse/repeat.

[TexasDem69]

42. I haven't claimed Israel is innocent

But I support Israel’s right to defend itself against Hamas terrorists, who are hiding behind civilians and causing their deaths

[Chi67]

45. Especially

When Hamas' leadership is in Qatar.

[inthewind21]

73. Most

Democrats understand that Hamas (A terrorist group) will NOT be eliminated but WILL be strengthened by this "war" . Because, we've already seen this movie. Sadly, many are falling for the "eliminate Hamas" Fairytale. Just like they fell for the "elimination of Al Queda, The Taliban, ISIS, the "Axis of Evil, WMD's in Iraq", the "war on terrorism" ring a bell? My, what short memories some have. But "never forget" yeah, that was a great slogan. Back then!

[GuppyGal]

35. As we have seen so prolifically since 2015 ......the people are easily led. Hamas' plan is working out just as

they hoped !! It just can't be going any better for them...they invaded, they brutalized, took hostages and all the rest and ISRAEL is being portrayed as the bad guy. Chris Wray is already exposing the manipulation that is going on online about this.

[lapucelle]

40. And anti-Semetism is on the rise.

Link to tweet

[yardwork]

65. It's obvious to even a casual observer like me.

The anti-Israeli propaganda kicked in - organized and global, with consistent messaging including images - on October 7.

The whole thing was planned.

[inthewind21]

76. Wait

What, Chris Wray, the republican hold over? GTFO, NOW he's credible?

[redqueen]

78. Wow... Chris Wray... Wow. nt

[GuppyGal]

92. If you've got nothing to say ...........DON'T

[redqueen]

93. Nice

[keithbvadu2]

44. Ceasefire is pro-Hamas. Support peace.

Ceasefire allows Hamas to rebuild.

[mzmolly]

46. Of course. But Biden isn't in charge of either side

of those who would need to 'cease' so why the inimation that he is?

[manicdem]

48. What does a ceasefire accomplish?

Hamas won't surrender. No countries will take in the Palestinians. So what does a ceasefire accomplish?

Hamas and Israel was in a ceasefire for a long time, except Hamas kept attacking Israel during the ceasefire. Hamas was able to rearm, then Oct 7th happened.

Hamas could surrender now, laydown their arms, and that's a ceasefire.

[DemocraticPatriot]

51. We didn't need THIS....

[DemocraticPatriot]

52. WE didn't need THIS SHIT.................

[Laura PourMeADrink]

56. Such a FAR cry from early DUer comments. So

Glad brains kicked in !!!! Hate is hate. Killing is killing.

[Recursion]

63. I don't like how binary the poll question is

Like, yes, I "want a ceasefire" but I'm not even sure who the parties that would need to agree to one are; obviously the IDF and Hamas, but also the West Bank settlers (which the Israeli government seems unable to control), PIJ, AAMB, Hezbollah, and the apparently now the Houthis... for there to be a ceasefire they have to all stop at once and I have no idea how anyone could possibly make that happen.

[Mosby]

72. Looks like VernaF is no longer with us.

Nice work MIRT.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

91. I am sincerely disgusted

that a post of mine defending against bullying was hidden, yet thread after thread is filled with immature, insulting trolling and bullying.

Not surprised the bullies are also cowards.

[Hugin]

94. Quite frankly, I am surprised the percentage is that low. n/t